jeffrey: completely different.ternal twins, i think of them as two people who happened to be born at the same -- for cultivating their own faculties. brian: time. but i think i will respect their privacy by not talking about them in detail, but they are two beautiful individuals who love books and music. i'm very proud of both of them. brian: given what we have been listening to in our country for the last several years, politicians talking about one another, i want to go back to letterok, and quote a you found, to nelly, his wife. they were married 44 years. this is a quote, talking about roosevelt, he is "utterly unscrupulous in his method of stating things, and his power of attracting public attention is marvelous. i think he has really convinced a great number of people of the united states that we committed gross frauds, that i am the receiver of stolen goods in taking the nomination." what is the depth of this disgust for one another? jeffrey: part of them is nelly. he never trusted roosevelt, and when roosev

jeffrey: he never learned politics.told his aide, archie butt, i will not play a part in popularity. if the people want to reject me, that is their prerogative. this madisonian view. his heroes are james madison, alexander hamilton, john marshall. he considered one of the greatest americans ever. they said the majority should rule, but only slowly and thoughtfully over time so that reason, rather than passion, could prevail. taft believes the system is setup to slow the direct expression of popular passion so the people can be governed in public interest rather than through faction, that is mobs that favor self interests rather than the public good. in the philippines, as secretary of war, and then as president, he is viewing everything through legal and constitutional terms. as i say in the book he was our , most judicial president. and presidential chief justice. as president, he refuses to consider political implications of his actions with disastrous political consequences. it was his decision to fire roosevelt's cl

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regarding the debt that they hold what are your thoughts jeffrey. well i don't really think there is you know we consume eighty percent of what we produce in this country they're exporting over five hundred billion dollars to the united states in goods and services we're they're importing about one hundred fifty billion of goods and services in the united states so we really kind of hold the trump card here no pun intended the reality is we're in control and today china announced that they're going to start importing energy and oil from the united states so hopefully this will get washed out at some point but they've been predatory for a long time and they need to change their tune economically and create a level playing field for the united states to also benefit because we've been exporting our wealth our countries our middle class jobs for many many years to china and not just china but to many other countries this is been the pattern and fortunately we've got an administration that's trying to right that ship for the benefit of the american peop

so, jeffrey lewis, welcome. you were talking about lowering expectation, what -- how dao'an lies what happened after the joint communique? was that better or not as good as you expected? >> i didn't lower my expectations quite far enough. you know, what the joint statement says on the issue that i care about, reducing the threat from north korea's nuclear weapons, is really just a reaffirmation of the statement that kim jong-un made to president moon, which uses the word denuclearization. and i think it's probably very important to say that that word denuclearization does not mean disarmament. and so i think that the two parties are as far apart as they have ever been. >> jeffrey lewis, there has been a round up, if you look on all the sort of instant analysis over the last several hours since this happened. there is quite a lot of skepticism about precisely that point and another point, which is the halting of the war games. but let me first press you on the denuclearization. the word was referred to a lot, pre

jeffrey: yes.s piece that is a roadmap for people to think about how to invest in the universe. most of the activity that is happening is happening outside the united takes in terms of the capital market. we have been active with canopy and with till right. both of those companies we did have a billion-dollar lead for canopy earlier this year. big part ofeen a it. i would say germany, european markets, israel. most of the growth in cannabis has been outside the night is. lisa: just throw quick, how big is an industry going to become? jeffrey: i will lead it to her to assign the adjustment market. it is big enough for sure. solomon, you are sticking with the spirit we want to reiterate the breaking news that we are getting at the federal court. they set a hearing in the case against michael cohen at 4:00 p.m. eastern time later today. this comes following abc news reporting that michael cohen, the former lawyer to president trump, did reach a plea deal with federal prosecutors. again, we will bring

jeffrey: thanks for having me. rajini: let's look at the day's other news. at least 29 people have been n a suicide attack on a shia mosque in eastern afghanistan. dozens were injured. several attawoers wearing n's burqas blew themselves up inside the mosque as local shia muslims gathered for friday prayers. is not o yet clear who carri the attack. zombie boy has die the age of 32. his body was found at his home in canada. reports suggest he m have taken his own life. he appeared in one of lady ga' s videos in 2011. the singer paid tribute to him, describing his death as beyond devastated. you are watching "bbc world news america." still to come on toraght's prfor the nuclear bunker made out of buses. we get a tour of a very unusual compound in canada. the u.s. naval base at guantÁnamo bay inne cuba isf the most controversial military installations in the world. cuba's communist government wants the detention center closed. we were given tiny access to a neighboring town. here's the report reporter: welcome to the most .eavily guarded town in cub it is locat

jeffrey lord, you worked at cnn. i got to say, i played thatme toobin bite on the radio this morning, how to have my guys play that again. i never in my life thought of antifa as a black organization. it is mostly the anti-wto crowd, the occupy wall street crowd, overwhelmingly white, probably most of them privileged liberals. >> correct. i know most of these people over there and i like them enormously. i heard that this morning, and i almost fell out of my chair. a sitting in the living room. i mean, what are they smoking? i mean, this is just unbelievable to me. all you have to do is do -- what i assume you just noticed show some pictures here. pay attention to these folks. not to mention these folks areic out and out fascists. i mean, they should drop the anti and just call it fa. this is a bad group of people. they are into violence, they are into hurting people, they have no business of the american dialogue, period. for cnn to be supporting them is mind-boggling. >> laura: chip, the president today expanded on

jeffrey.ent seems to have some knowledge or at least claimed to have some knowledge of the weisselberg testimony right there. could the president be right it's limited to a very specific period of time? or should he be concerned weisselberg could say more? >> i would not be surprised if weisselberg's attorney spoke to trump's attorneys and told him what he was asked about and what he answered. one of the great unanswered questions, i don't know the answer to it, is, is the southern district which obtained the guilty plea for michael cohen, where michael cohen said i did these illegal acts at the direction of president trump, then candidate trump, are they following up on that? are they doing more investigation? i don't know the answer to that yet. it may be that weisselberg's testimony was directed to getting the guilty plea, which was successfully completed, but will they go back to him and say, what more can you tell us? i don't know. maggie, do you know? >> i don't know. i'd like to know. >

get your reaction, jeffrey.uote, there is no allegation of any wrongdoing against the president in the government's charges against mr. cohen. it is clear that as the prosecutor noted, mr. cohen's actions reflect a pattern of lies and dishonesty over a significant period of time. what do you think of those words? >> well, there's a key word in that statement, which is charges. he said, the governments didn't charge any illegal activity by the president. but what rudy guiliani does not say is that michael cohen, in open court, implicated the president. so it is true in a narrow technical sense that the charges themselves did not implicate the president. what michael cohen said in pleading guilty to those charges, very much did implicate the president. >> we're all -- >> people can draw their own conclusions about that. >> we're also getting a statement from lanny davis, who is one of the attorneys representing michael cohen. he's just tweeted this. let me put it up on the screen there. today he stood up and testi

let's get back to jeffrey toobin.nt had no shortage of opportunities to say something nice about senator mccain today, but he stayed silent. listen to this. watch this. >> mr. president, mr. president, any thoughts on john mccain? mr. president, any thoughts on john mccain? >> thank you very much, everybody. thank you. >> any thoughts on john mccain? do you have any thoughts at all about john mccain? >> get moving, let's go. let's go. keep moving. >> nothing at all about john mccain? any action to the american legion asking for a proclamation of john mccain? >> we're finished. >> mr. president, any comment on john mccain, sir? mr. president, why won't you call john mccain a hero, sir? >> after that, jeffrey, all of the pressure clearly got to the president. he eventually issued a statement saying despite our difference on policy and politics, i respect jurors's service to our country, in his honor signed a proclamation to fly the flag of the united states at half staff until the day of his internment. what's your reac

guys meg and jeffrey. over to you in the studio. >> julia, fascinating, our thanks to julia borsten as well. dow is up 175, about ten points from the s&p 500 record of 2,872. "squawk on the street" is back after this ♪ ♪ our new, hot, fresh breakfast will get you the readiest. (buzzer sound) holiday inn express. be the readiest. >>> as stocks push back towards record highs, one technician says there's a major shift happening in the market. find out what it is and how it impacts your portfolio on tradingnation.cnbc.com more "quasquawk on the street" coming right up. >>> welcome back to "squawk on the street." let's get to the cme group rick santelli has the santelli exchange >> thank you i've often talked with respect to central banks and policy that their policy becomes our policy, and globalism, there's pluses and minuses, and interconnectedness of it all we're learning that trying to readjust nafta and trade arrangements it's not easy. even if it is an improvement, it is not easy. but one policy being ex

jeffrey disagrees.f he were in my class, we would have a great debate about that, and i would grade him a plus for his great arguments even though i think he might be wrong. >> too bad i didn't get a a-plus in real life. ultimately it is in jeffrey's opinion. it's going to be robert mueller's. it's what robert mueller chooses to argue along the lanes of obstruction of justice. we will see. we do not know yet. >> it's up to the court eventually, not robert mueller. >> eventually, eventually, although depending on the strength of what robert mueller writes, the assigning body might not be a court. it might be the congress of the united states. so, again, mueller has a lot of power here if he chooses to use it. let me ask about timing, because that's vital here. jeffrey, this gets to where your argument might be wrong. there may not be hell to pay on november 10th if he fires jeff session. >> right. >> there may be hell to pay if it's next week. there is an election going on here. and i could see republica

. >> ron, let me get ron first and then i'll get jeffrey in.ch mcconnell says he has total confidence in the attorney general. weigh in on the point that rachel just made, there are these obscure regulations that would allow the president to effectively take control. >> you wanted me or jeff to jump in. >> ron, go ahead. >> yeah. i think the mcconnell statement is about november. it's not about jeff sessions. i actually think lindsey graham is a better predictor of where congressional republicans' sentiment would be after november. i mean, there's nothing in the last 20 months i would think that would lead you to conclude that mitch mrk connell would stand up to protect sessions after the election if getting rid of him is still what the president wants to do. i think mitch mcconnell who is a shoed political operator, he can read the polls as well as anybody, he knows there are a lot of traditionally republican leaning voters who may like some of the economic policies that have been pursued over the last 20 months but who are very uneasy about t

>> well, i agree with jeffrey. this is a huge moment, not just because of what's happened, but because of what could happen. and that is in the legal realm in terms of michael cohen cooperating. will paul manafort ultimately cooperate? what about michael flynn who is cooperating with the special counsel? so there are a lot of players now who start to potentially construct an enterprise, a criminal enterprise, that is around or may even involve the president. and we are still not talking about what is the central thrust of the investigation, which is whether there was collusion with the russians to interfere in the 2016 election. that's what the special prosecutor is after. as the president reminds us, but he should also be reminded that prosecutors tend to bring cases they find in their investigations. that's what law and order is all about. and that's what mueller is doing here. and even though cohen is separated from that, it originated with the referral to him and they referred it out to the southern district. a

. >>> jeffrey toobin is with us right now, as well. jeffrey, give us your analysis on what's happened on this historic day here in the united states. >> well, there are many important events that took place today. virtually simultaneously. but the thing that is of the most significance and it is of immense significance is that michael cohen implicated donald trump in a federal crime. he said that his violation of campaign finance laws was in coordination with and at the direction of donald trump. that means that according to this guilty plea, donald trump was a co-conspirator and or an aider and abetter to of this crime. that is in of itself something of such great significance that i don't even think it has a parallel during watergate. no one, i believe, pled guilty during the -- during the nixon presidency tying the president so directly into a federal crime. what happens as a result of that if anything is a very different question but the -- you know, for a long time we had heard from the president's supporters, well, this is nothin

jeffrey: moscow in a certain sense is very pleased with tr division in stitutions. that is one of the overarching goals, to undermine western institutions. i've seen accounts were they think they had won too big at helsinki, in the sense that there were other thiey wanted to get done and the backlash to the press conference is so big that they may not be able to do that. but they are pretty pleased with how they are looking right now. rajini: and with the midterms, concerns about interference in at. what c the administration do to contain that? jeffrey: we saw this in europe and the ddling in european elections, one of the biggest things you can do is make people aware. we have infrastructure things to do. we need to watch voting ballots and computer systems. but really educating the public and communicating the message that not everything u see on twitter ork faceb what have you is really the truth or is ant in a genuine way, and people should be very skeptical about stories when stories break. you need to flesh them out and do digging and not jlieve everything you

oh that's just adding the stereotype with the reality is you know this is how it's properly done jeffrey. you know i was. it's going to add to i think that partly it's it's about the lived experience when it's a non-native writer what they're looking at is the is the binge fringe bettors and and food right so they're going to add the tropes because it looks cool and i like cool characters i think they're really i mean you know there's there's really amazing things that can come out of that from the imagination but when i write and i write characters in the people that we try to engage each. oh yeah. i hear what you're saying. to me it's i'm just going to jump over to something for a moment because you're talking about creating characters so new this is exactly what you've been doing have a look here this is kerry barry lynn it's a children's book. on how does that fit into what we're talking about right now because you're creating characters that work for other people like you and youngsters growing up right now i think a lot of my work is autobiography autobiographical in terms of. writ

tariffs with tara of their own how much longer jeffrey could this tit for tat go on . well i'd like it to end today and in fact it never should have begun because the only victims here or american consumers american producers chinese consumers chinese producers there's nobody who wins from a trade war unfortunately what happened. starting last year we got a president who was just absolutely determined to start a trade war and now we have these retaliatory measures happening as a matter of national pride and there doesn't seem to be any end to it and i think there won't be any end to it for a very long time as a matter of fact you know if you look back to march peter navarro the trade advisor at the white house said. no countries would dare retaliate against us tariffs so i have the sense that maybe there was a certain level of naivety operate in that the level of the white house and the trade advisors and trump in particular that they really believe that this is just going to be this massive assertion of american power that hasn't turned out that way. in terms of the r

jeffrey, how historically significant is this to see a campaign chairman undergoing a trial like this and facing such a significant sentence if guilty? >> you have to go back to watergate in the mid-'70s for the last time very senior campaign officials were charged with crimes. john mitchell, who was the campaign chairman for richard nixon and later the attorney general went to prison as did hr haldeman, john erlichman and then white house aides. what is different is those charges related directly to their work on the campaign whereas manafort's charges relate to what he did before the trump campaign. but still he is a very senior -- he was the top official in the trump campaign. his work for the ukraine related to the russia investigation because he was working for a pro-putin candidate making all that money working for yanukovych and the russia investigation is about whether the putin government worked with the trump campaign to defeat hillary clinton. >> and that is what is significant. they came upon the crimes through the investigation and what's being done here is 23409 about pa

maybe it was jeffrey.d to open the records as soon as possible. >> on russia. >> right. >> lbj wanted the records on vietnam opened as soon as possible. he was confident he was doing what was right. he wanted the american people to be exposed to the story. so the good news about the johnsons and i think what makes the lbj library a solid institution is they have never been heavy-handed about the story we're telling. >> unlike the kennedy library. >> it can be different for the different institutions. there is a great story. richard nixon attended the 1961 inaugural of john f. kennedy who beat him for the presidency in the election in 1960. as he was walking out he ran into one of kennedy's speech writers, ted sorenson and nixon said i wish i had said those things. ted said, ask not what you can do for your country? nixon said, no, the part where it's i do solemnly swear. every man who takes the office wants to put his stamp on the presidency. his unique stamp. the institutions that bear their names after t

jeffrey -- jeffrey engel, you are my lead here. we have touched on it a bit in digital technology.just to pick up on the targeting by the generation. because --. i was overnight reading, studying, based on scientific research, that the digital generation are having brain changes about absorption of information and processing, because of living their life on digital technology. they had -- they learn differently. their attention spans are different. and you are serving constituencies that line one way, versus people that grew up with traditional books and other access of information. how do you serve both? >> let me say two contradictory things. because, that is my job as a professor. the first is, i could not agree more with the point that this internet thing is, i think, turning out poorly. and in particular, the way that our students are engaging information. there are legions of studies that demonstrate that when students have the computers open and are typing their notes, they are not learning. why? because every human being is programmed to go for stimuli. and the email is mor

jeffrey and sun will thank you for being part of the story today thank you rick you will end on you tube in january who says there are so many superheroes in our communities that are on song and comics are how we hope for youth to imagine new heroes from a cultural base thank you so much for watching we will see you next time take everybody. love struggles i mean nobody not a person coming from one half of their battle. full of pleasure we were only. going to an intimate look at life in cuba today getting out the door to each other and agree that it is because this is my cuba on al-jazeera. and i'm disappointed as well on the. u.s. and british companies have announced the biggest discovery of natural gas in west africa but what to do with these untapped natural resources is already a source of heated debate nothing. has changed they still spent most of the days looking forward to for. five years on the syrians still feel battered or even those who managed to escape their country have been truly unable to escape the war. don did not have the ability to take on everybody. no one is also go

jeffrey and sun will thank you for being part of the story today thank you thank you will and on you tube in january who says there are so many superheroes in our communities that are on song and comics are how we hope for youth to imagine new heroes from a cultural base thank you so much for watching we will see you next time take everybody. on the streets of greece anti immigrant violence is on the rise there or you have to go from over ten percent that this is all from plus or something and increasingly migrant farm workers are victims of vicious beatings. is helping the pakistani community to find a voice the stories we don't often hear told by the people who live them undocumented and under attack this is iraq on al-jazeera. a new poll ranks mexico city is the full first in the world for sexual violence many women are attacked while moving in the crowded spaces of the metro buses and even. the hands of taxi drivers the conversation starts with do you have a boyfriend to your very pretty and young you feel unsafe threatened me think about how to react what do i do if this gets wo

liza true jeffrey you can finish the sentence and all right.i think it might happen that there might be this tension happening between mainstreaming comics and graphic novels and then what you want to do as an artist who happened to be indigenous and you would be seen that fight or can everybody want to get a free and sunny oh i think i think everybody can work together if we have a healthy respect towards each and every culture that it's possible that. it's being done we just need to see more of it so. yes i agree with with that like people were thinking that black panther the movie was all they could have before people of africa and the santo are black are people that are black but everybody from a variety of cultures love that movie like i remember seeing it and i almost started around dance in the theater so i saw a lot of my own culture in that movie and like the importance of our own stuff and so i believe that level yet any representation of any group that isn't just a default cajun is like something that we all love i think people feel

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. >>> we're also joined by jeffrey sachs of citi private bank let's ask about the wider picture for italy and investment decisions by the corporate sector and the government. do you think italy structurally is in a sound state of affairs leaving all this noise aside, especially when it comes to economic growth? >> we don't. the economic back drop is fragile. so is the banking system the economic growth is sluggish and in the second quarter slowed further to an annualized rate of 1% the banking sector has over 200 billion euros of nonperforming loans. the aggregate debt is about 2% of gdp so that is a back drop that needs strong growth. what the government tried to do is put forward expansionary fiscal mrabplans. that's what won them the election what is current and happening at the same time as the tragic bridge collapse are budget negotiations that need to be put forward within a couple of weeks. now that is in focus because the populist coalition, when they were campaigning, were putting forward around 100 billion euros, which equates to 6% of gdp. we don't think that they can sustain m

eastern, barbara ferry, jeffrey ingle, richard norton smith, jeffrey .ubin, and cokie roberts at 12:30 p.m. eastern, the former white house executive pastry chef. wednesday at 9:00 eastern, mike mccurry, run nesson, kenneth , susan page, and john niche him. at 11:00 eastern, presidential storytelling. and then the lpga foundation president, former chief laura bush, and white house historical association president on presidential legacy. the white house historical association presidential summit. live coverage tuesday and wednesday on c-span three. sadness to sayth , you don'tavanaugh belong in this building as a justice. >> beyond an extraordinary career and extraordinary intellect, and the extraordinary record of this judge, you find a character and a humility that leftith strength me profoundly impressed. the point i am making here is that 35 month period of time when brett kavanaugh served as staff secretary to president bush is rife with issues. it's a great constitutional moment. it is why the american people have a right to know what he said, how he advised the president, what he

it was jeffrey. they wanted to open the records as soon as possible on russia. >> right. >> he wanted the american people to be exposed to that story. and so the good news about the johnsons and i think what makes the lbj library a solid institution is they never been heavy handed about the story that we're telling. >> unlike the kennedy library. >> it can be different for the different institutions. there's a great story, one of my favorite stories. richard nixon attended the 1961 inaugural of john f. kennedy who beat him for the presidency in the election in 1960. and as he was walking out, he runs into ted sorenson, one of kennedy's speechwriters. and nixon says to sorenson, i wish i said some of those things. and sorenson said, you mean the part where he said ask not what can you do for your country? and nixon said, no, the part where he said i do solomnly swear the point about that story is every man who takes the office wants to put his stamp on the presidency, his unique stamp. and the institu

words of caution from jeffrey gundlach.short position in treasuries, he says that is setting itself up for something that could cause a squeeze ahead. the chinese currency looks little more stable this morning after a period of strength at the end of last week as we move toward trade conversations. the u.s. dollar is a little stronger against the turkish lira. we see turkish lira weakness, but that turned around in the last hour. we could see volatility in the turkish currency. now down 0.3%. we could see a lot of volatility because many in the middle east are on holiday for this week. not at their desks. let's get a bloomberg first word news update. turkey may be on the path toward a 300 basis point interest-rate increase. thanks has been cut off from borrowing at the benchmark to75% rate in forced to turn the overnight lending rate, currently at 19.25%. it is trying to counter the lira slump without formally hiking, a move opposed by president erdogan. turkeys credit rating was further cut by movies -- moody's. venezuela

. >> let's bring in david chalian and leaf chile analyst jeffrey toobin. i want to pick up on that because it's fascinating. the president making this point in his latest tweet. she's a low life, he's calling her names. this is not new but the bottom line is he's saying i gave her a chance in the white house, he hired her to come into the white house. maybe it's a silly question but how can does he get to hide behind that? >> nothing he says makes a difference in how he's perceived for better or worse. he has been at the same point in the polls since he took the oath of office. somewhere around 40%. and regardless of criminal investigations, the incredible racism of his twitter feed. let's not forget about omarosa, she's an african-american woman. who does the president attack on twitter constantly? african-americans. whether it's the ucla basketball team, the nfl football players, whether it's our colleague don lemon, lebron james. it's always black people that he's attacking, not exclusively but to a disproportionate extent he's attacking black people. >

i got to get jeffrey in here. >> absolutely. >> talk to me about that.well, jared kushner's attorney, the son-in-law. >> you think about what the house of representatives and the senate have been like. they have existing to protect the president from investigations for the past two years. there have been no investigations of the white house. that would change on a dime. what happens if jerry in addition nad letter says we want to subpoena the president's tax returns? they could do that. who is going to represent the president there? we want to get michael cohen to testify before the house of representatives. we want to see his e-mails. all of that has to be dealt with by the white house counsel's office, in part, as well as the personal lawyers and they have had absolutely no experience in dealing with this so far because the republicans have done the opposite of investigating the president. >> can we talk about the -- >> if i may. >> go ahead. >> i'll go to mcgahn. as you well know, jeffrey, one of the complications here is that the president on the one

jeffrey. >> yes, ma'am. >> so people, republican leaders seem worried that don mcgahn is leaving the white house and it sounds like chuck grassley and mitch mcconnell are trying to sound the alarm via twitter or statements that they don't think this would be a good idea but we had anthony scaramucci on and he said they're sanguine because if there's no evidence the president did anything wrong why should they be worried? winter isn't coming to the white house. they're not worried because there's no evidence. >> there are a couple different things going on. what anthony is talking about is the mueller investigation and whether don mcgahn is an incriminating witness. he either is or isn't. his story has been told. the administrative job that he has as white house counsel is a very important one and it's not only that don mcgahn is leaving, four of his five deputies are leaving and there's work that has to be done and if there's a democratic congress or house of representatives there will be a new set of work that this white house never had to deal with. they've had a compliance congres

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joining us now, we have cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin. >> i am an a plus. >> that's for sure. and senior white house correspondent for bloomberg, margaret taleb, a plus plus. he said in the soundbite that he pled to two things which aren't even crimes which no one understands. he said the campaign finance laws, he doesn't believe that what michael cohen pleaded to are crimes. you have done a great job of explaining why, yes, campaign finance laws are a crime. >> well, exactly. remember, there are two purposes of campaign finance laws, to find out where money comes from into campaigns and where it goes. it's about disclosure. what michael cohen did -- and he says the president joined with him is lied about that. where the money came from and what it went to. the reason he did that is because the public would have been so interested in knowing that the president or then candidate on the eve of the election was engineering all this money. the president didn't answer, but remember how many different answers he has given over the months about the action. some of it is clearly lies

with jeffrey kramer, kevin's cirilli, andin others. looking at the bloomberg and we have been life blogging. live what do you see caroline? hasline: michael cohen pleaded guilty to eight counts. we're starting to get more of a breakdown. now that we know he is pleading guilty to eight different counts, if as kevin mentioned, the pardon is being , with theund here president need to pardon him on each different count or grants a blanket pardon? >> he would have to address each account on pardon him on each count. if president trump were to what we know in the public atmosphere, mr. cohen information that would threaten the president. the president can pardon the individual under the constitution, but it does not mean he cannot suffer ramifications from taken a step like that like an impeachment proceeding. to pardon mr. manafort or mr. cohen after a conviction or he may have criminal exposure himself would really be tantamount to obstruction of justice in my mind. joe: jeffrey, is that your read as well with this the reticle trump pardon

. >>> joining us jeffrey toobin and staff writer for the new yorker, jeffrey toobin, about this poll, the 66% want the robert mueller investigation wrapped up by the midterms is a fascinating number, as david points out, it will help and have incriminating information about the president, that's why they want it out. just by historical comparison, this has gone on for 15 months. that's not that long relatively speaking, look at iran-contra, white water, benghazi. it's not that long comparatively. >> that's true. if i may disagree with my younger identical twin brother chalian, so what. 66% they don't care. first of all, america doesn't care what his polling numbers are. but also, half those people want it over as david said because they think it's already proved. >> just like david said. you're not disagreeing. >> yeah, i guess i'm sort of disagreeing with you. i never like to disagree with you, david. i just think that number doesn't tell us anything, in particular, what i think is the most important thing about this poll, as you said at the beginning, trump's numbers never change. w

. >> i want to bring in jeffrey toobin, former federal prosecutor, cnn chief legal analyst and chris cillizza, editor at large. jeffrey toobin, when michael cohen pleaded guilty and said that the president directed him to make these payments people did not say such things, were there not corroborating evidence? the federal prosecutors would not let him say such thing unless they had other things out there? we now know david pecker is cooperating, maybe with immunity. is he that corroborating evidence? >> well, his testimony is but remember also in modern life there is always electronic and paper records. there are e-mails, there are checks there are perhaps taped phone calls. >> there are saves. >> there are safeves. we so much focus on the credibility of individuals.fes. >> there are safes. we so much focus on the credibility of individuals. you look at the manafort trial. the fact that there were so many documents and e-mails and checks made his story unassailable. perhaps that's what's going on here. >> chris cillizza, i'm afraid john berman is going to go full geraldo with the sa

in the meantime, let's bring in jeffrey tubin. cou consoler jeffrey, rudy juliaeyi is now contradicting himself. >> it is consistent with what we have seen from giuliani lately. arguing in the alternative. giving people choices about what to believe. here he says well, you could believe this conversation never took place, or if the conversation with comey took place, it wasn't a criminal act by the president. this is how -- he made a similar point about collusion. there was no collusion, but if there was collusion it wasn't criminal. these are arguments that are designed to give the president's supporters a variety of choices, not so much to persuade people of anyone in particular. it's just like anything -- any way you look at it. >> does the truth figure into this. that's the problem with arguing in the alternative. here in a public setting, people are not lawyers. they are ordinary people and you have to know what happened. when you argue in the alternative it can sound legal l l istic. >> we know there are people that made up

jeffrey toobin, we're talking about alan weisselberg. he's worked there for 40 years.ars. he knows a lot about donald trump and his business, his personal life as well. what is the significance of the federal prosecutors granting him immunity in exchange for his testimony? >> well, certainly he was brought in as a witness to build the case against michael cohen. the question is, what else are the prosecutors interested? getting? and also from david pecor, who was also immunized, the chief executive of the national enquirer company. we don't know yet, but certainly after they speak to michael cohen and debrief him, there will be more questions, and we'll see if they can bring any other cases. >> they've got to get something major in return. how much do you suspect weisselberg is giving them right now? >> federal prosecutors don't grant immunity unless they need the testimony in question. when they threaten to assert the fifth amendment, the prosecutors have a choice to may. they decline the testimony or offer immunity. so it's significant that they are people they want