jeffrey clark is his name. he is in many different ways unremarkable, the kind of functionary lawyer that exists in droves in washington, d.c. he went to a big law school, worked in a big corporate firm, kirkland and ellis, worked in the george bush administration. in september 2020 he was put in charge of the doj's civil division. "the new york times" reported that in december as acting attorney general jeffrey rosen and his deputy richard donohue, were pushing back on trump's attempts to use the justice department to undermine the election, they were unaware that mr. clark, jeffrey clark had been introduced to president trump by a pennsylvania politician and that clark had told the president he agreed that fraud had affected the election results. basically he auditioned before the president and let him know he'd be willing to be the trigger man for donald trump in his attempt to kill off american democracy in its present form and that is not hyperbole. it's a letter to the georgia governor, the speaker of the

epstein, jeffrey epstein did not commit suicide. it became thismantra and i did look at this . people would always ask me when i was doing a lot of college talks at this time, journalism classes and people would ask me . i had to behonest . i really didn't think he was capable of committing suicide by himself. could he have, could it have been assisted suicide weston mark yes. i think if we want to think he wanted to end it, i think someone must have helped, i just don't think he was capable and i'm not the only one that thinks this. his lawyers think that, the forensic pathologist that was top doesn't believe he killed himself. there's just too many strange things that happened.he had three bones broken in his neck and doctor michael baden the forensic pathologist said he rarely in that kind of a hanging have threes bones broken in your neck. keep in mind the theory was that he did this with a bedsheet, cutting these up and that he kind of pulled himself against the book, he tied it to the top bunk and he would have had to pull him

attorney at the time, jeffrey burman, stood in front of jeffrey epstein's then mansion and declared thatprince andrew and had reached out to the british government to try and make that happen. >> prince andrew has provided zero cooperation. >> reporter: prince andrew's lawyers, blackfords llp, denied this, issuing a statement in june 2020 saying the prince had offered his assistance as witness to the doj several times. today the head of london's metropolitan police was asked about the new lawsuit against prince andrew on lbc, a british radio station. >> is he above the law? >> no one is above the law. >> reporter: boies says he hopes at the very least the lawsuit leads to prince andrew finally answering questions under oath. >> she wants to set an example here. people, no matter how rich or powerful, no matter who their family is or what their connections are, can't avoid being called to account in a court of law for allegations of sexual abuse. >>> coming up, covid cravings. why the pandemic has people reaching for cannabis edibles. is struggling to manage your type 2 diabetes knocking

says she was traffic for sex by jeffrey obscene. he's a convicted sex offender who took his own life in new york jail cell in august 2019 . a month after he was arrested on child sex trafficking charges. geoffrey says up seemed forced her to have sex with his friends, including prince andrew on 3 occasions in 2001 in london, new york and an ap scenes private island. slight logs release after absence. death show that jeffrey was with prince andrew at the time of the electorate assaults. jeffrey was pictured with a prince anchor lane maxwell, who's in jail in the us, awaiting trial and challenges of recruiting, grooming and sexually abusing andrea girls as young as 14 for epstein and she went on to have sex with you in a house in bell grave. you belonging to girl maxwell, didn't him in a 2019 in the prince. andrew firmly denied all allegations. he also couldn't recollect having met jeffrey a year later, and after public backlash, andrew resigned from all public rolls. buckingham palace has not responded to jeffrey's lawsuit, but in th

you think anything more about jeffrey clark?i really don't. he's a lawyer first head of the environmental natural resources division, then led the civil division, but beyond that, i don't know much about him. >> the second is how do they decide whether or not there was criminal liability for either jeffrey clark and/or the former president trump? >> one of the things prosecutors will do is look at the information they have, trying to get a full picture of what was happen, and the intent, the intent of those involved. that may require interviewing people around. mark meadows, for example, the chief of staff, strikes me as somebody who would be very important to understand his role. people who talked to jeffrey clark, and anyone else. who might have n prosecutors can use legal process to get e-mails, text messages, other documents to help understand what was going on in people's communications. >> if, though, the president is able to exert executive privilege, would someone like mark meadows be able to skirt around testifying? >>

of jeffrey clarkson jeffrey rosen's. >> look, i'm not the guy to come to if you're looking for an optimistic view of this. i think it's simple when they want to do. they do want to overthrow the electoral process and as we know it. so it happens to this guy? he tries, it comes close. he fails. he goes to a pushy job. what are they going to do? they're going to sit there and try to re-find their arguments. they try to build more legal theories. and they're going to come back. you don't see an ounce of remorse here. no one has apologized. and it's always the people you never thought about. who are up for doing the unthinkable. that's with this guy is. he has a completely structure that supports him, it's well financed. they're very patient. and they think they're going to win >> that point george just made, is it's so true. there's two kinds of, schools in mainstream public rip already, there are people that are embarrassed by and don't want to talk about. the mitch mcconnell's of the. world to filibuster the january six commission. and then there's people who actively plotted inner just out t

jeffrey rosen also told quote. here is the senate judiciary chairman dickson durbin earlier on msnbc. >> a lot of information we would like together for mr. clark to bring some clarity to this situation. it certainly raised a question, mr. rosen understood that mr. clark was waiting in the wings and if he didn't do president trump's quest, comply with those requests, he very easily could have been replaced. >> donald trump abused his office. for anyone with eyes or ears, before the 2016 election, you could see the potential for abuse was high -- so it's possible even more alarming that trump's abuses where the abuses of the people around him. from people who were not gold toilet drifters like trump. people like jeffrey clark, who were all too eager it seems to break the law for a man who lost the election. before we start sanctifying jeffrey rosen, reacting internal general, note that he sat in silence for nine or ten months before speaking out against these abuses. forever jeffrey clark willing to subvert the law,

jeffrey, did it have to be this messy though? biden administration is not looking great as you can... the international community has been very critical. the allies in afghanistan have said, look, we needed more time but he was not to be dissuaded. i think the first question, martine, is did it have to be at all? you know, the idea that biden had the notion that america has to get out, 20 years long war, time to leave. you know, there hadn't been an american killed in afghanistan in i think about 18 months until yesterday. there was a relative amount of stability but there was certainly an element of violence and chaos as well. i think, you know, if you look at korea, the us has been in korea for 69 years. the us has been in western europe for much longer. so it is incorrect to say, i think, biden will be challenged fairly in his assumption and his declaration that the us had to get out. in the question did it have to be this messy? probably a bit of yes and a bit of no. i mean, the idea that anyone could leave afghanistan, if yo

she says she was traffic by the lake convicted sex offender, jeffrey epstein, who run reports. cassandra is a 2nd son of queen elizabeth england and 9th in line to the british throne. but his friendship with the convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein, has destroyed his royal prestige and it could yet get worse for him. but junior, jeffrey has previously alleged the 20 years ago, she was the victim of sex trafficking by epstein and his close associate glen maxwell. but now in a 15 page, civil lawsuit filed in new york, your frail ledges at prince andrew, sexually assaulted and raped her. knowing that she was still a minor under 18 years old, he knows what he's done and he can attest to that. so in a statement, she said, i hope that other victims will see that it is possible not to live in silence and fear, but to reclaim one's life by speaking out and demanding justice. jeffrey epstein had previously been convicted of child prostitution offences in 2008. he was found dead in his new york jail, fell in august 2019 a month after he was arrested on child sex trafficking charges. je

jeffrey, at some oint, zero, zero points. jeffrey, at some point. the — zero, zero points.going to - point, the taliban are going to insist that they are not just a de facto government, they are the legitimate government. how ready do you think the international community, not least the the white house will be to recognise them? two oints house will be to recognise them? two points here- — house will be to recognise them? two points here. let's understand this attack was not the taliban, it was isis k, as you noted, this fringe group of isis and afghanistan who has declared its enemy, notjust the americans, but also the taliban, because believe it or not they don't think that taliban is extreme enough. i think it's important to understand that while the taliban may be a de facto taking over afghanistan, that doesn't mean they control that huge country from border to border, and they have by no means an established authority. they may ultimately, or in the short term, control cobble and the levers of power. in terms of where this goes, i think wejust of power. in terms of wh

and jeffrey rosen.se, where the president essentially had these men vie for the job of attorney general. the president was looking for someone who was going to do his bidding. rosen was not willing to do that and, eventually, rosen and other officials talked the president out of firing rosen keeping him on the job. but i mean, it's -- it's an un -- just an extraordinary episode to happen inside the white house. again, just a couple days before the attack on the u.s. capitol, which was carried out by people who were believing the president's lies about the election. >> right. and if they had found some henchmen at the department of justice to go along with that, i mean, that would -- >> course of history, right? the course of history would have been changed. >>. incredible. evan perez, thank you. just to amplify both the factual absurdity but also the real danger of that letter we mentioned a moment ago, which was drafted but never sent to georgia. according to abc news, this draft by assistant attorney

you have a tale of two jeffreys, two draft letters.en, the acting attorney general, his chief of staff having this draft resignation letter for fear that rosen's about to be fired because he won't agree with the president's direction to do something improper against the law. i mean, that's what the guy who's, like, running the department of justice in the trump administration prepares in a resignation letter. and on the other side, wolf, you have this other letter from jeffrey clark, the assistant attorney general who clearly was making his favor with trump known and drafted this absurd letter to georgia officials to get involved and actually boost the election lie. i mean, these two things were happening simultaneously inside the same justice department. >> it's hard to believe that this was actually happening during these final days of the trump presidency. >> it's hard to believe, but is it, given what we know was happening in realtime in front of our faces in public. we know and we saw and we were reporting realtime on the ridiculo

she says she was traffic by the late convicted sex offender jeffrey epstein. a chinese court has rejected an appeal by a canadian man sentenced to death on drug smuggling charges. robert schellenberg was given a 15 year jail turban, 2018, but he was re sentence to death 2 months later, after a top chinese tech executive, mangling who was arrested in canada, in relation to charges in the us. canada and bassett or to china says it's no coincidence. this verdict is out. while men's extradition trial is ongoing, katrina, you has more from beijing. he can appeal one last time to china's highest court. that's the people supreme court. but it's very unlikely that he will be able to reverse this death sentence in china, 99 percent of all criminal cases are found guilty, and beijing has an taurus li, hard stance when it comes to any drug related crime. but there is a very important political dimension to all this as well. china and canada, the bilateral relationship, has reached an all time law. and it was worse. and earlier this year, when the canadian government desc

and it wasn't just jeffrey clark. white house chief of staff mark meadows was also at the center of it. mark meadows is a man who also participated in an attempt on the life of american democracy. now, there's some conflicting reporting about how trump and clark originally got linked up. in his new book, michael bender writes mark meadows had helped introduce trump to doj attorney jeffrey clark who was putting together a secret plan to oust rosen, the acting attorney general, and force georgia to overturn its results. we know from emails released by the house oversight committee at the end of december, beginning of january, right before january 6th, that meadows was repeatedly pressing rosen to investigate so-called voter fraud, including sending one email january 1st that read, quote, there have been allegations of signature match anomalies in fulton county, georgia. i love the passive tense. there have been allegations. can you get jeff clark to engage on this issue immediately to determine if there's any truth to t

what did jeffrey clark do? he took that nefarious suggestion and he ran with it. drafted a letter to state officials in georgia and five other states saying in essence, we think the election might be corrupt. here's how you can get rid of the slate of electors for joe biden and pick selectors for donald trump and basically corruptly throw him the election. that act by jeffrey clark drafting the letter, circulating it to other doj officials, he didn't have to send it. that's an overt act that proves the crime of conspiracy. once the conspiracy is committed because you have the agreement and one overt act, you don't have to go on to commit the object of the conspiracy. the crime of conspiracy is complete. that's what we see in the reporting of what donald trump and jeffrey clark did. >> even though now we have the justice department in the hands of sane people and people who were not overtly corrupt, right, but at the state level what republicans have done is to remove all of the people who would have -- who stood in the way the first time and replaced them with flu

jeffrey, how outrageous was this behavior by jeffrey clark to essentially attempt a coup from insidestice department? >> you know, it is really bad. but it is not nearly as bad as what his boss, his ultimate boss, donald trump, did. i think jeffrey clark was simply acting out the abuse of power that the president was engaged in. you know, what's gone on here with the president is so much like what he did when he told the president of ukraine that he should come up with dirt on president biden or lose government money. i'm not sure it's a crime. i don't think any of this, frankly, is criminal in nature. but it would have been impeachable if the president stayed in office. and i think it's an abuse of presidential power, which is in many respects more important than a crime. >> laura coats, what do you think? >> well, i think it's outrageous that somebody who would not even oversee elections or voting as the head of the civil division, i was in the civil rights division at one point in my career. and the idea that it would originate from jeffrey clark in a way that actually was adopted

tom: equipped data check before jeffrey rosenberg.ooking at a bond market that picks up steam. jonathan: equity futures not doing much. yields are higher, the curve is deeper, the yields are higher on a 10 year by five basis points to 1.27. it is an upside surprise. 943,000. tidy revisions as well. tom: jeffrey rosenberg joining from blackrock. doing wonderful work at multi-strategy. is it a regime change today when you see the revisions, when you see 1.81 nonfarm payrolls over 60 days, does it shift the blackrock view? jeffrey: it is a good question. i was thinking the exact same thing. we have had a lot of negative surprises focused on the delta variant. it is important to remember this payroll report is pretty the cdc mask wearing change and guidance, it does not incorporate more recent changes. yet to the extent we follow the pattern we have seen in india in the u.k. where the variant surges but it is not a permanent surge, we could be seeing the peaking of the negative news that has been about the second derivative and the slow d

yeah. >> no, jeffrey smith.y rosen -- >> sorry. >> this whole episode. very, very serious and bizarre quite honestly someone who worked in the department of justice and in the white house and appreciates the importance of making sure that we're very disciplined in the line of communications that occur between the white house and the department of justice, particularly in this scenario where you have a president that is apparently insistent on trying to find a way to overturn the election results and so, very, very serious situation. and you know, on the one hand i agree with ambassador bolton. i watched the interview with you. this was far from a coup. the institutions did hold. on the other hand, if he had been successful in persuading the acting attorney general to send the letter that he apparently had drafted, then it surely would have complicated things. it would have given republicans in congress a reason to question the outcome of these elections and perhaps stop certification, the electoral college vote.

turns out it's a private investigator that's working for jeffrey epstein. they want to sit down with you and basically they tell you if you work with us she will be fine. if you don't work with us you are not going to be fine and your family might not be fine, or your father is followed there are headlights in his rearview mirror, they run him off the road. this was really happening with these victims. the fact that prosecutors knew it was happening and they did not do anything to stop it is just i don't know what the words were for it. i was just a show so shocked. >> of any of these been held into account? i know several left their jobs after the story came out. after the initial garage nothing happen to anybody. >> no, no, the only people really who have paid a price in this whole thing are women. from the victims to even the prosecutors, the prosecutors advocated the lead state prosecutor and the federal prosecutor or women. but the cases went nowhere because their bosses who all happen to be men sort of excused what he did and said look at these victim

but he cannot force jeffrey clark to testify. why not? because jeffrey clark is a former justice department official. and he can't compel that testimony. >> wow. i learn so much from both of you. thank you so much. and somebody's dog really enjoyed that as well. >> i kept him quiet the whole time. >> we're big with pets on "velshi." >> there is some treats going on behind the scenes here. >> thanks to both of. . good to see you this morning. eugene daniels who us correspondent at politico and co-author of the politico playbook. ruth m-columnist, editor at the “washington post” with a article on jeffrey clark. >>> joining me now the pennsylvania senator. casey. i talked to you about stuff this congress and legislative priorities. but i have to ask you about this. because so much happened since the last time you and i talked where we have discovered that this -- in pipe dream of donald trump's to undermine the election was substantially more than a pipe treem. it was a plot. >> yeah, ali, i think what you heard in the last discussion is the

jeffrey rosen detailed efforts by jeffrey clark, this man, the then acting head of the justice department civil division, to help trump subvert the election results. according to "the times" rosen told investigators clark quote admitted meeting with mr. trump and pledged that he would not do so again end quote. it never seems to be that simple for people in trump's orbit. "the times" reports clark quote continued to press colleagues to make statements about the election that they found to be untrue. jeffery rosen also told investigators that, quote, clark had been engaging in unauthorized conversations with mr. trump about ways to have the justice department publicly cast doubt on president biden's victory. end quote. and to top it all off, jeffery clark, quote, drafted a letter that he asked mr. rosen to send to georgia state legislators wrongly asserting that they should void mr. biden's victory because the justice department was investigating accusations of voter fraud in the state. here is the senate judiciary committee chairman dig durbin earlier today on msnbc. >> there's a lot of i

he's making stuff up there, jeffrey. making stuff up, and he's doing it in an effort to overturn the election. how close does that get to violating the law? >> well, you know, this whole episode reminds me of june 1972, the famous smoking gun tape that led to richard nixon being forced from office, because what that tape showed was that nixon used the fbi and the c.i.a. to try to keep the watergate cover up going. what you see here in what trump was doing with the department of justice was exactly the same kind of abuse of power. it was using his power as the supervisor of the department of justice to try to stay in office through the use of corrupt falsehoods. and, you know, that is -- that would have been an impeachable offense if he had stayed in -- if he had stayed in office. the question is whether it is an actual crime i think is much harder. and my guess is the department of justice is going to stay away from it, which will be frustrating to a lot of democrats. >> why won't merrick garland investigate it in your v

i would like to bring in jeffrey clark, for example. he was the heir apparent in trump's mind if rosen was not going to do his bidding. and rosen stood fast and didn't. so there was a tense period of time there in a moment where the president was going to put his own man in as attorney general. >> now, another senator in that room, richard blumenthal telling the hill he was quote struck by how close the country came to total catastrophe. the senator will join me live this hour to discuss all of that and more. >>> plus, the senate is back in session today, inching closer and closer to a final vote on that $1 trillion infrastructure deal. we will have more on that in just a moment. >>> first, troubling new numbers from emerging place where is the coronavirus pandemic is now getting worse. this is as the u.s. is now averaging more than 100,000 new cases per day. just this morning, the former cdc director predicting that double could actually double next month. >> unfortunately, the delta variant is doubly dangerous. and we anticipated that

i think testimony from someone like jeffrey rosen, senator dick durbin said he wants to hear from jeffreyas the one who was heading this division at the justice department under the former president, and he was also very closely tied to this, rosen testified during those meetings that clark had essentially pushed other people within the administration to continue to publicly assert and try to undermine the election, that's what sources familiar with the testimony tell us. and that's huge. and so durbin said he wants to hear from jeffrey clark and others like this, and i think we can expect the january 6th committee to also intimately get involved and to interviewing some of these former officials and potentially even subpoena a lot of former trump administration and trump justice department officials to learn more about this. >> and clark said all of his communications have followed the letter of the law. but what do we know about rosen's role here. when it comes to trump's efforts to undermine the election, do we know that rosen was a stalwart for saying, look, there was no fraud, not en

jeffrey clark tried to take over. we heard people talk publicly about this, meaning it happened at the white house, which people have said was like the game show apprentice. it was deadly serious where they were both making their case for a. z a.g. jeffrey clark was choose me, i have your back on election fraud. choose me, i'm quitting, he's quitting. he backed off. it was that close to jeffrey clark becoming attorney general. >> it was not for lack of trying. >> absolutely. >> all right. where does the current attorney general stand in this drama me? >> merrick garland has work to do. he has three major task. reestablish d.o.j.'s independence. he's done a good job. six weeks ago he issued new rules about keeping d.o.j. separate from communications with the white house. cooperation with congress. we have subpoenas coming soon. garland said he's not going to block d.o.j. employees from testifying. that should clear the way or at least remove one of the obstacles to people like rosen, donohue, maybe barr, jeffrey clark

the acting tomorrow jeffrey ro rosened a and his deputy richard donahue.ow the house oversight committee was set to interview them this week. now we have learned the january 6th committee will take off where they left off. this will be one investigation. they're important. because rosen and donahue know first hand, trump's repeated attempts to use the justice department to overturn the 2020 election. today we get details how he tried to use the department of justice to pursue and to create basis claims of voter fraud, including what one official who went so far as to draft a resignation letter in response to what he said were twump u trumps questions to the results. this was drafted january 3rd, three days before the deadly insurrection. but the pressure campaign started long before that and i want to lay it out for you. sow understand what we are really looking at here. i'm start with december 1st. on december 1st, trump summoned then tomorrow bill bar a to meet with him. after barr told the associated press the department of justice had quote not seen fr

i know if jeffrey didn't go to work that day, he'd still be here.affected him and the city needs to recognize that. >> what do you want people to know about him? >> he was a great guy. he was a great police officer and he was honest. he was brutally honest. you know, so i think some people liked that and some people didn't but you knew what you were getting with jeff and he had their backs and he was a good officer and a good friend, a great husband and a great son. >> erin, thank you so much. david, thank you so much. keep us updated on the situation as it relates to the pension and things you're working on. my heart goes out to you, erin. anything you need, let me know if we can help. thank you so much. appreciate it. >>> i want everyone to know there is no shame in asking for help. for yourself or for someone you know who may be struggling, okay? so you can call the national suicide prevention lifeline or text the crisis text line at the numbers up on your screen. we'll leave them there for a bit and we'll be right back. (vo) how do you know when

sana jeffrey. thank— want to intimidate here. sana jeffrey, thank you _ want to intimidate here.re. sana| jeffrey, thank you so much for joining us with your excellent analysis on newsday. the opening ceremony for the delayed paralympic games has wrapped up in tokyo. 4000 disabled athletes from more than 160 countries are taking part in two weeks of competition. as with the olympic games, stadiums will be largely empty, but tokyo's national stadium was still the focal point of the ceremony, which started with a firework display against the skyline of the city. dozens of dancers started the show, invoking the japanese tradition of puppetry. then came the athlete parade, led by the six athletes of the refugee team. the flag of afghanistan was carried by a volunteer as a show of solidarity, as its athletes are unable to compete. 0ur correspondent rupert wingfield—hayes has more from tokyo. you can see behind me here the national stadium. inside there at the moment, the opening ceremony for the paralympic games is well under way. you may also be able to see that there are a lot of po

that's the jeffrey clark plot, it appears. with >> chris, that is the smoking gun. it's unnerving how close trump came to using the full weight of the justice department to overturn the election result. but clark was saying to the georgia governor and legislature's, not just you have a greenlight, but you should call a special session and say that the election was corrupt and overturn the result. now, here is the shocking part. he says, this is a concept that we can use in every other battleground state. it's like a high school student doing a copy and paste assignment. there is not even a pretense of looking at the individual states and if there was fraud committed. basically, let's just use a copy of what we did in georgia and send this to every other battleground state and tell them, it's corrupt and they should have the legislature convened to have a -- electors. it is amazing how close trump came to subverting our democracy. we got these famous notes from donahue. and again, i'm getting all this truth from the reporting and the documents it seems fairly rock-so

in came jeffrey rosen. who is jeffrey rosen?the heap is an important thing at that moment in history. well, rosen buzz challenged by the president and statements before our interviewers made it clear, repeatedly, and, of course, the ultimate threat, if you don't do this as i wish, you'll be gone. >> and i understand your -- this week your committee is set to interview the trump administration former u.s. attorney for the northern district of georgia who resigned in january. it happened days after a phone call was made public in which then the president was heard pressuring the georgia secretary of state to find votes to overturn the election. what do you hope to learn from that interview? >> i don't know for sure. i'm anxious to hear it. i want to say this, all those appearing before us, donahue and rosen, all of them have done this voluntarily. we have attorneys representing the republicans on the committee and attorneys representing us democrats on the committee taking turns asking questions. it's as bipartisan as it can be. a

replace him with jeffrey clark. um, he also was trying to hold the line.ese people. and while i didn't agree with a lot of what they were doing, you saw attempts of them trying to hold up the rule of law over people, like jeffrey clark. and that's why it is so dangerous because you can't have a president putting in, basically, campaign-style people in the justice department who aren't following the law. >> yeah. you were at the white house this evening, when president biden signed the bill you co-sponsored honoring the capitol police officers with the congressional gold medal for their actions on january 6th. 21 house republicans opposed the bill. what do you say to some of your republican colleagues in both chambers of congress who are, still, trying to rewrite history and deny what happened that day and make it seem as though it was just a regular day with tourists coming to the capitol? >> well, it was absolutely absurd that 20 some of them in the house didn't support it. and the fact that they said it was, was because it had the word insurrection. i wa

jeffrey clark, the lawyer who was apparently willing to do his bidding.here? as congress looks into this, do you see the potential for either the former president or those around him trying to help him, do they have criminal ku culpability? >> i fall on senator blumenthal's side. i think there's criminality here that needs to be investigated by the justice department, but this is an important distinction. the report is that jeffrey rosen has been talking to congress, which can't bring criminal charges. they can refer it, but can't bring criminal charges. but also the justice department inspector general, however, the inspector general does not bring criminal charges either. they do internal discipline and review. so according to the reporting, jeffrey rosen is not talking to the part of doj that can bring criminal charges right now and that's where merit garland i think needs to step up. he needs to make sure there's a criminal investigation of this happening at doj. we don't see any evidence that that's happening as of yet. >> before we talk, let's inclu

rosen, said one of his deputies, jeffrey clark, tried to help trump subvert the 2020 election results to subject doubt into the results. you remember last month when the oversight committee released handwritten notes detailing a call between trump and top doj officials. he told them to, quote, leave the rest to him and his congressional allies. chair of the judiciary committee, senator dick durbin on cnn today detailing the seven-hour meeting with rosen. >> he was being asked by the white house, the leadership in the white house to meet with certain people who had these wild, bizarre theories of why the election was invalid and he refused to do it. i will have to say history will be very kind to mr. rosen when it's all over. when he was initially appointed i didn't think that was case and i was wrong. >> as we learn more about trump's attempt to hold on to power, remember what he and the republican party call themselves, the party of "law & order," and it's not what republicans want these days. instead they pine for a strongman who with kaeld power of the state against the maga base's

i would like to bring in jeffrey clark.was the person if rosen wouldn't do trump's bidding and rosen didn't. there was a time the president was going to put his own man in as attorney general. >> reporter: so much scrutiny of those days and weeks that trump was still in office but had lost the presidency. it's a reminder that he's no longer here, we talk about the shadow that looms large over the republican party. the power he has over it. there's a lot of investigating still being done trying to put new pieces of the puzzling together, new information that is continuous oi coming out from some of those people in things like the department of justice during that time. clearly, a lot of new information still to be shared as the senators and lawmakers continue looking into the weeks on what the former president was doing. here on the hill, some milling about from lawmakers because they are in the midst of trying to pass that bipartisan infrastructure bill. definitely not going along as quickly as some would like but at the sa

barr's departure elevates the man next to him, jeffrey rosen to acting attorney general.ald trump called jeffrey rosen and top d.o.j. officials and told them to, quote, just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and republican congressmen. leave the rest to me. according to notes taken by richard donahue, the principle associate deputy attorney general who was also in on that meeting. now, the very next day, december 28th we learn trump loyalist and former head of the d.o.j. civil rights division jeffrey clark was drafting letters that would have laid out a road map for republicans in georgia and five other states to flip the election outcome. ten days later a violent group of the expresident's supporters attacked the capitol in a desperate attempt to prevent congress from certifying the election results. joining me now, katie benner of the "new york times," he's an msnbc contributor. katie, you have literally been piecing all this together because you have been

host: terry jeffrey?uest: i do not know about the disease thing, and i also am not aware of what larry kudlow said that he is referring to. host: i will phrase a question for you -- how would you grade the trump administration's handling of the pandemic? guest: first of all, that most early covid cases did come from people who had been traveling in china and had come into the united states. the cdc has documented that. you get a lot of criticism for trying to chop -- stop travel from china, which was wise to do at that time. you have to give him credit for developing these vaccines at such a rapid pace. the trump administration put a serious focus on dealing with covid-19. they were not able to stop it, but they put a serious focus on it and they accomplished some good things. host: nancy in concord, new hampshire, we will go to you. caller: i am old enough to remember vietnam, but i am curious about how we can legitimately consider going back into afghanistan? i follow all the news, and i know in februar

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i would like to bring in jeffrey clark, for example.he heir apparent in trump's mind if rosen was not going to do his bidding. and rosen stood fast and didn't. so there was a tense period of time there at a moment when the president was going to put his own man as attorney general. >> i understand you're not ready to give me the details of what he said during those seven hours, but i guess the question, the key question is whether the former president, when he was still president, tried to get jeffrey rosen to overturn the election results. >> it was not that direct, but he was asking him to do certain things related to states, election returns, which he refused to do. he just said i'm not going to do that. he was being asked by the white house, leadership in the white house to meet with certain people who had these wild, bizarre theories of why the election wasn't valid and he refused to do it. i have to say, history is going to be very kind to mr. rosen when it's all over. when he was initially poappoint, i didn't think that was the c