he zwiener the justice department had been investigating jeffrey clark. the ward befor you take my property. >> both jeffrey clark and jan eastman have had their phone seized by federal investigators. clark dismissed the investigation politically motivated, and eastern thought the doj search warrant in court. about their state-level investigations as well. rudy giuliani had been informed is a target in a drug investigation. >> we will not talk about this until it's over please and appeared before a grand jury in august. at the moment perhaps the most perilous investigation for donald trump has nothing to do with the attack on the capitol. >> former president donald tr trump's mar-a-lago home in florida has been searched by th fbi. >> the investigation that at th moment seems most directly threatening to donald trump is the 1 to his handling of customer documents and taking doctors to mar-a-lago with him he left office. >> the government recovered mor than 320 classified documents from trump's home in florida. the redacted search warrant identified three f

. -- january 6th, this included people like jeffrey clark, the department of justice, who tried to help trump spread lies about election fraud -- as well as trump's lawyer, john eastman, author of the infamous coup memo. on the other side, the vigilantes. the people who shop with weapons and enact violence. the proud boys, of keepers, violent gangs that organized the actual storming of the capital on january 6th. these two sides work in tandem to execute the trump coup. they ultimately failed, and today, we have big developments in the investigations and both fronts. new evidence presented in court today. members of the oath keepers revealed that the founder, almost do it rose the fared, tried to get donald trump to enact the -- in a message intended for the ex president, rhodes wrote, quote, if you don't, then biden kamala will tone that power when you, your family, and all of us. you and your family will be in prison and killed. you and your children will die in prison. that evidence -- very same day. we got to see several emails that john eastman was recently ordered to turn over to

and mike pence was present during conversations about what jeffrey clark and john eastman were sayingand doing, their plans and their proposals. and we know they're within the doj's cross hairs, as well. >> before i go back to hugo, a quick question, the fact that mike pence has written a book and put information within it about conversations, interactions he had vis-a-vie january 6th, does that help the doj in any way to boost legal arguments to make sure that they can get pence to testify? >> i think our viewers know you ore a lawyer. that's a smart question, katie. the answer is absolutely. because that means also there is a waiver of privilege. even to the extent there was privilege or wasn't here, you know, that will be overcome by the waiver. >> hugo, as we mentioned at the beginning of this segment, trump is angry with the supreme court, kind of ironic, because he hand picked at least three of those justices. let's listen to all the excuses as to why he was not going to turn over his tax returns. take a quick listen. >> i would love to give them, but i'm not going to do it whil

president mike pence, all of those people in trump world who took the fifth, mike flynn, john eastman, jeffrey clarkwith rudy giuliani. it is a very big trove of documents, so i think by the end of today we will hear from the committee. but right now we're waiting. >> we are in wait-and-see mode here. shan, i know i just nearly gave you a big promotion. i have a question for you. the clock obviously running out for the committee. it really is here. so how aggressively can they pursue information, do they pursue information from former president trump? >> i think they should. i think the whole reason they issued the subpoena at the tail end of the process was they had done the due diligence to lay the foundation and they wanted to check the final box and they're giving him a chance here. i think they should move aggressively. they could look to hold him in attempt but there's a limit on how fast they could move and after that it would be up to the justice department. so he is going to run out the clock. we would have better odds on the powerball than him producing anything right now. and the longer t

clark, jeffrey clark, former assistant attorney general, john eastman who was providing some counselrmer president trump, you know, we also know there is an investigation of the so-called fake electors scheme that would have resulted in pote potentialally the former vice president not certifying electric tort votes. he is certainly a witness and makes sense and i think the vice president has limited options to escape giving testimony. >> yeah, that's an interesting note. the january 6th committee failed to get his testimony. do you think a subpoena could be in play if pence decides he wants to fight this? >> yeah, big difference between a grand jury subpoena coming out of a criminal investigation and a congressional subpoena. so grand jury subpoena really offers the former vice president very limited opportunities to try to evade that. he certainly can go to court if he wants to but the bottom line is that the court of appeals in the district of columbia, federal court of appeals that would oversee this has made it abundantly clear if federal prosecutors have criminal cases that are

and how about jeffrey clark, the high doj official who drafted a letter to georgia state officials, sayingncerns about election integrity in georgia? all of these threads are now pulled together by this latest revelation that the reason this cabal was focusing on the georgia election was because they believed they had clarence thomas on their side. he could potentially put at least a temporary halt to the certification. >> let me pick up on that point, charles, that glenn made about lindsey graham. the supreme court rejected lindsey graham's attempt to get his subpoena thrown out or block, i guess, if you will. how do you see this playing out at the disapproving court said no, you do have to actually answer the question in the investigation? >> i think what will happen is that with fani willis and the county da office proceed with this, lindsey graham's attorneys are going to make every effort to try to categorize anything that he did with respect to these phone calls as falling within -- that was the whole notion of his defense one in the first place. look, i can't testify because my spee

john eastman, jeffrey clark?e interesting to see how they carve this out and what parts they felt were so politically fraught that they had to be handed off to a special counsel. >> okay. so stay with me, paula, let me bump back to evan, then. evan, then, given the special counsel is sort of independent of merrick garland and his justice department, what role will the justice department have moving forward in all of these topics? >> reporter: well, yeah, i think that's exactly the big question. i think we're going to hear a little bit more from the attorney general to try to delineate some of this. look, there are over 1,000 people who have been charged or, you know, who are facing charges regarding the insurrection, the riot at the capitol on january 6th, 2021, and so the special counsel we don't expect is going to take over all of those investigations. that is being handled by the u.s. attorney here in washington. so we anticipate, again, the attorney general will explain himself a little more when he comes out

they can use a search warrant to seize the phone records of people like jeffrey clark and others who may have been communicating about this. so i think those communications records are an important piece of information that they lacked. there's a lot more case law supporting the justice department's ability for a subpoena and a real contempt to comply. so i think if the justice department wants to push the subpoenas, they can get witnesses to testify in a way the january 6th committee couldn't. access to people like mike pence, mark meadows and others who refused to comply with the january 6th subpoenas. i think the j us tis department can get that testimony if it pushes it. >> pete, katie and her colleagues have done extraordinary reporting on both the mar-a-lago investigations and january 6th. we know that doj has already -- they've reached stephen miller. he's before a grand jury. they've reached ka tash patel. the at what stage if we're at the cash patel and stephen miller on the insurrection? >> well, nicole, i think they're both fairly advanced. they are having direct contact w

people like john eastman, jeffrey clark. those who facilitated the former president's plans to try to overturn the results of the election. the people who tried to put them into action. but again, i think that all points us back to why the classified documents case might be the -- where you see the special counsel ultimately indict the former president on, because it is -- there's a clear-cut line to him and more directly implicates him. >> all right. i need all of you to city council -- stick around a little bit longer. >>> house democrats are finally on the verge of getting their hands on the ex-president's taxes. they have been the focus of some extraordinary investigative reporting by "the new york times" and others for years now. what it means for those on capitol hill that have made the case they have a valid reason to get them. >>> plus, what we're learning about the bravery and heroes in the colorado springs community. how instinct kicked in for one army veteran. we'll look at the five victims who lost their lives tr

we are talking most likely about hakeem jeffrey, catherine clark. to me about the next lineup, at least right now. >> reporter: you are right about what the next wave of leadership might look like. it's someone like hakeem jeffrey who is widely talked about as someone who could assume the top spot for democrats. of course, he would be followed in this trio that we are talking about by catherine clark, the current assistant speaker, and pete aguilar, the vice chair of the caucus right now. there's also questions about what happens to the other two that made up the pelosi version of this trio. leader hoyer and whip clyburn. clyburn said he intends to stay in leadership. hoyer, the multiple times that i have seen him and talked with him today, was mum on his own plans. it was clear that everyone, both in the old guard and the new wave that may come in, were waiting to see what pelosi might do. you heard her there -- i was struck by the ways that she singled out what happened on january 6, the way that the oath of office that every member of this body t

joaquin jeffreys, kathryn clark, pete aguilar, they represent that crop of democratic leader whose havere for sometime and all three have a great deal of experience but are obviously much younger than jim clyburn and nancy pelosi and diverse. you'd have the first african american leader and a woman and pete aguilar would be a leader in the highest ranks of the democratic party. this isn't settled quite yet. while they appear to be the leaders right now in this leadership race, there will still be some negotiating behind the scenes between democrats and they'll have their official vote on november 30th. they're the favorites right now, though, and democrats would certainly like a scenario where by this is done as seamless as possible because democratic unity is going to be essential in the new congress. the margins will be so tight. we're talking about february a five to seven-seat majority and they won't have nancy pelosi guiding the ship because keeping democrats together and counting votes was her expertise. >> indeed. ashley, what are the challenges these democratic leaders will be f

these folks who were at john eastman and jeffrey clark, these people who were at the very close circle around trump, from what the attorney general said, all of those investigations, and my potential prosecutions relating to those investigations are also going to be taken on by this new special counsel. >> so let me play some of what, a lot of what we know about the evidence that has been marshaled in terms of the congressional investigation into this very same period of time, and these very same actors that you just listed, pete. we know from the public-facing aspects of the january 6th select committee, here's liz cheney on "meet the press" explaining what she thinks should happen. >> i think it's very important for everybody to recognize that when you are faced with a set of facts, when you are faced with evidence as clear as this is, and some have said, well, we don't know what his intent was. maybe he really thought he won the election. we actually know that that's not the case. we've put on testimony that showed that he admitted that he lost. but even if, even if he thought that

jeffrey, miss clark and others. we have new leaders coming in.years in the minority will give them the experience they need so when we take over the house again in 2024. in 2024, i believe we will. they'll have two years of experience under their belt as leaders and that will make us a more effective party in the house of representatives. that's why i took the action i did. >> keep us updated on whether or not you plan to serve your full term. thank you for weighing in on that. you talked about new leadership. when you talk about what that new leadership looks like one unavoidable questions on capitol hill, as you know, is when it comes to the age of leadership. this was a focus last week. you're 83. nancy pelosi is 82. clyburn himself is 82. president biden is 80. i wonder if the new leadership is something is a mindset that applies when it comes to the president weighing a white house decision? >> i love that age is just a number. i campaigned in some 26 states and about 60 districts. i think i was as vigorous as i have been at any point in tim

jeffrey's who's 52 years old. that's a full 30 years younger than nancy pelosi but it's also his 2 other leadership members. we have katherine clark who will be serving as whip, and we have pete argue are who is a member of the hispanic caucus who will be serving as a new caucus chair. now all of this has yet to take place, but we are expecting a vote later in the day by house democrats that will make this hormone, but all 3 are running on opposed. so we are looking at a new group of leaders for the house democrats who are younger and more diverse, a major change from the 3 octogenarians who are stepping down in this coming congress. it pelosi had a strong hold over her caucus, right. her shadow loomed large over everything the house democrats did. what will the jeffries democrats look like? right, there is a major difference here, sir. of course, we know that pelosi is handing this baton over to jeffrey's in january, but it will be significantly diminished in power because democrats will no longer be the majority party in the house of representatives. they will be the minority since they lost their slim majority in this last midt

clark. >> good afternoon. >> good day. chris jansing in new york city. promising that the kras will fight for the least, the lost and the left behind, you just heard hakeem jeffreysry.

feet just ahead of jeffrey's official election and what meek said was the most important part of a relay race is how you pass the baton. that's something that for jeffries, agular and clarkre going to make up this new trio of leadership for house democrats, the baton-passing was without decided that these were the three people, the new generation of leadership, that was going to lead them into this next phase for democrats on the hill, in the minority position, something that jeffries said should be. it's a moment where they are putting speaker pelosi in an ameritus position. hoyer will still be in the building. it will be a balancing act, having these two lawmakers and leaders still in the building where democrats can have access to them, where members of leadership can talk to them about strategy, but also a moment where they are fully turning the page here. jeffries has a different leadership style than nancy pelosi, who at times ruled her caucus with an iron fist. jeffries saying to me, as we had a small group of reporters around a table, saying that everyone in the democratic party has a role to play when they have the right position on the field. very much leading

clark in the whip spot. and pete ag already in the number three slot. that's what we expect this wave to lack like. i was talking with hakeem jeffreys last night. he's aware they are coming in at a point of tan signatures, at a point where the the republican party has a very slim majority, but democrats are going to be in the minority. what he had to say was this is a conference with a diverse set of viewpoints. they have a wide range of believes. but at the same point, jeffreys said nothing provides unity like being in the minority, sort of setting the tone for what he expects from the conference in the new phase of divided government in washington as we look ahead to january. >> meanwhile, the big issue that's facing legislators is what to do about the rail worker potential strike. what's on capitol hill on that? >> reporter: what house democrats are doing this morning is toggling between the plaus where i am right now where they are holding their leadership elections and going back across the way into the capitol to actually vote to avert this rail strike. they are going to do it in two phases. first rattying the initial agreement negotiated

clark. >> good afternoon. >> good day. chris jansing in new york city. promising that the kras will fight for the least, the lost and the left behind, you just heard hakeem jeffreys making history. the congressman just elected house democrat you can leader for the 118th congress replacing nancy pelosi, who he called a speaker for the ages. i want to bring in nbc's ryan noble on the hill for us. history made today. the first black leader in either party. what are we looking for from this new junctioner generation of leaders? >> there's no doubt about that. and it should not go under played that this is an historic day on capitol hill that you have your first african-american leader of either party in the house and the senate who is going to guide the party through the next congress. it will be a big job. there's likely only to be a 4 to 5-seat maujty for the republicans. so it will be incumbent upon jeffreys to keep all the democrats together in the fold as they work to either stop any type of attempts by kevin mccarthy to enact a republican agenda, and also to support the president joe biden in his agenda from the democratic side. obviously, there's the history b