philbin stopping jeffrey clark as a key part of the plot? op clark from engaging in this coup-like activity. he knew him, and i think he was one of the people who suggested to rosen that we do -- that they do a sampling in whether there'd be mass resignations if the plot went forward. so, yes, he played an important role. we did an informal interview with him at the committee so there isn't a transcript, but it basically just collaborated the things that donohue and rosen had told us. i think the one new thing in this testimony to the d.c. bar is the phrase that clark said, well, that's why we have the insurrection act but they were contemplating sending the army into cities around the country. we took a look at the insurrection act on the committee and referred it to the committees of jurisdiction because the rewrite is a massive effort that we didn't have the time to do, but it's an ongoing threat if you have a lawless president like trump. >> yeah, i mean that comes up over and over again. and i want to read this to you, congresswoman. thi

john >> eastman operated as the so-called architect behind the fake elector scheme, and jeffrey clark instigated an intense pressure campaign inside the justice department to try to get doj officials to help overturn the election for trump. now, both men are facing professional reckonings. eastman and clark had been sitting through for attorney disciplinary hearings in recent weeks and months that could ultimately result in them losing their law licenses >> conspiracy. they're also both defendants >> charged and the georgia election subversion case. >> i'm here today to surrender to an indictment that should never have been brought. it targets attorneys for their zealous advocacy on behalf of their clients. something attorneys are ethically bound to provide, and which was attempted here by formerly challenge seeing the results of the election through lawful and appropriate means. >> while eastman has been fighting those criminal charges, his attorney disciplinary case has been unfolding in california. he's charged by the state bar with 11 counts related to his plot to obstruct the ele

jeffrey clark is still out there.w reportedly working with project 2025 which comes out of the heritage foundation. it's a whole agenda for trump should he become elected again. and what he supposedly is working on is how to invoke -- how to use the insurrection act and how trump could use it on day one. again, there there are protests how they can call out the military to quash the unrest. what he's talking about in 2020 he's talking about again. he's not been shamed -- he's never come out and said he was wrong. he was pushing this crazy theory that somehow smart thermostats were used to change election results. i don't know if it was the chinese or the venezuelans or italians who were doing this, but it was bonkers. i mean that's the thing, he was pushing a crazy idea and the acting attorney general and deputy acting attorney general knew this and trump installed this guy as a. g. how crazy this was and dangerous it was. >> it matters there are tools apart from politics to patrol this. you know, a citizen walks up w

john eastman and jeffrey clark trying to save their law licenses right now. >>> the painful, heartbreaking grief for four families waiting for answers about their loved ones who are presumed dead in that horrific baltimore bridge collapse. the challenging recovery effort underway. >>> and the new $2 million ad buy from tiktok, how the wildly popular app is fighting back against a possible u.s. ban. our nbc news reporters are following all of the latest developments and we begin in atlanta with donald trump's latest bid to get the election interference case thrown out. nbc's blayne alexander is there. what happened today, blayne? >> reporter: well, chris, what we saw today in the fulton county courtroom is what we have seen play out many times over the course of this, between either the former president or his many codefendants in trying to get this indictment thrown out. basically today, steve sadow arguing that everything alleged in the indictment fell under first amendment protection, that it was nothing more than political speech. the state pushed back on that, of course, basically sayi

he warns jeffrey clark there will be riots in every major city if trump reversed the outcome of the election. this is back in 2020. clark responded, well, pat, that's what the insurrection act is for according to mr. philbin. jeffrey clark is probably going to lose his law license but he could wind back up in the trump administration using the insurrection act to quell protests. ruth, should they happen if he manages to get back in office? >> yeah, all this is part of the autocratic playbook and part of the reason that trumpers and gop elites are talking about pardons is that the more that these people become corrupt and the more they become complicit in a widening sphere of crimes, the more they need other corrupt people to serve them. and so what pardons do, i have stuff about this in my book, strong men. all authoritarians use them because you need corrupt people to be of service. they're no good if they're disbarred or sitting in prison. you have to have them in government and in the party to be able so serve you. so that's, that's the cycle. so, of course, we're going to see all of this

type of people who may be called to testify against donald trump yesterday on the stand in the jeffrey clark attorney discipline proceeding. >> we >> heard from richard donahue, a testifying under oath, the former deputy attorney general, who was one of the voices pushing back against clarke and trump moos strongly, patrick filled-in also was testifying yesterday. and so this is a precursor to the criminal trials that we are very likely cli to see. >> and of course, ashley, we're heading into a election season where trump has sort of already previewed him. he's, he's saying to his supporters, this needs to be too big to rig my victory needs to be two big to rig, like we're, we're heading for another round of legal challenges if trump loses, here, are there gonna be any lawyers left for him? >> well look i. think one of the things about the legal profession is that everyone deserves representation. and so including donald trump no matter how much you despise >> but >> for lawyer, i don't know if there's going to be enough lawyers lead any lawyers for donald trump, but when you were in law sch

jeffrey clark pleaded the fifth in a disciplinary disbarment hearing. the man trump wanted to take over the justice department in the run up to the january 6th insurrection. because clark wanted to launch an investigation based on a conspiracy theory about the 2020 election being stolen. meanwhile, trump is running again for the highest office in the land. liz chaney, one of the only republicans to consistently stand up to trump spoke clearly about what she thinks will happen if in fact trump succeeds in november. watch. >> he will appoint people who will do his bidding. he will appoint people and if they are nervous about doing his bidding he will offer them pardons. and he won't leave office. he tried once not to leave office and he will have no incentive to guarantee a peaceful transfer of power and leave office if he is elected again. i have policy disagreements with the biden administration. i know the nation can survive bad policy. we can't survive a president who is willing to torch the constitution. >> and there are very real consequences for wh

meanwhile, jeffrey clark is facing discipline from the dc bar. rudy giuliani has had his law license suspended and giuliani is also on the hook for $148 million in damages that he owes two georgia poll workers he defamed. rudy giuliani and sydney powell are facing defamation lawsuits from the voting machine companies dominion and smartmatic. so it is seemingly taking forever but the people involved in this are being held accountable for pushing the big lie. recent polling from the washington post shows that more americans now believe the 2020 election was rigged than they did in 2021. i should stop to say here, as clearly as possible, there is absolutely no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 22 election. but even if you look at the very few instances where people illegal lie cast ballots, you would not see them voting for joe biden. this is barry morefew. he was accused of murdering his wife. the charges have since been dropped. but in 2020 while his wife was missing, he cast a ballot on her behalf. he told the fbi i wanted trump to win. i

the other individual, jeffrey clark, who we've been covering was back in court yesterday in a separate but obviously related disbarment hearing where he just stopped the questions. >> that i will invoke the fifth as to, i will invoke executive privilege, law enforcement privilege, deliberate process privilege, and attorney-client privilege. the fifth amendment, the executive privilege, law enforcement privilege, delivery to process privilege. executive privilege and the other three and i'm taking the fifth. >> and the other three and i'm taking the fifth. it's almost like, hey, i've got so many reasons to be privileged. and legally he may indeed have that right. for example, one of the rights you're afforded in our constitution is that if you're facing potential prosecution and imprisonment, which is a very big deal, you cannot be forced to answer questions to provide testimony and evidence against yourself not only in that prosecution proceeding but in other related judicial and legal proceedings. so he has that right. here's the bad news, though. when you claim that right, you're onl

love your reaction to john eastmanman and jeffrey clark facing disbarment. how could that impact their defense in the georgia case? >> well, it would affect their defense if they were to take the stand and they were to testify. anything they say under oath and publicly could be used against them in a later criminal case. you're seeing them wisely take the fifth and not speak to avoid exactly that problem. >> do you expect the judge to close the loophole that's made it possible for trump to attack the judge's own family members? >> i don't. so the terms of the gag order really have a carveout so that they are allowing for criticism of the court, of the judge, as well as of the district attorney. and that gag order really tracks the same gag order that was upheld by the d.c. court of appeals in the january 6th case in d.c. so by kind of carving out those two entities in addition, it also carves out family members of those entities, so i think you'll see the judge confirm that family members of the judge and family members of the da are not covered by this gag

that's why the sydney powells and john eastmans and jeffrey clarks suddenly got all this power in the lawyers willing to think about the law as fungible rather than the law as immutable. and that's ultimately what he got. now, unfortunately it's taken way too much time for that accountability to catch up. and because it's taken so much time on that accountability, we've seen millions of americans brainwashed to this notion that trump had every right to start viewing the law as fungible. hopefully that accountability arriving will at least draw a new line, but it may be a little later than any of us would have liked. >> may,a because this is what we do i have to take a minute before any parades are thrown for the lawyers who stopped egregious things, but they were the lawyers there for the child separation, there for the muslim ban and found a way to make those abhorrent policies pass legal muster. let me show since we're talking about the lawyers as relative to trump's impulses and sydney powells. let me show you what sydney powell had to say about eastman. we're going to find it. act

while, jeffrey clark is facing discipline from the d.c. bar, rudy giuliani has had his law license suspended, and giuliani is also on the hook for $148 million in damages that he owes to georgia poll workers he defamed. rudy giuliani and sidney powell are still facing defamation lawsuits from the voting machine companies dominion and smart maddock. so, it's seemingly taken forever, but the people involved in this are actually starting to be held accountable for pushing the big lie. that doesn't put the genie back in the bottle. recent polling from the washington post shows that more americans now believe the 2020 election was rigged than they did in 2021. i should stop to say, here, as clearly as possible, there is absolutely no evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election. but even if you were to look at the very few instances where people did illegally cast ballots, the pattern you would see is not people cheating to vote for joe biden. not by a long shot. this is barry more if you. a few years ago, prosecutors accused him of

jeffrey clark and all the others that you've mentioned probably are facing a similar fate. and this shows a message that at least there's some kind of an internal mechanism for enforcing this meant four rules and ethics within the professional bar, for attorneys in the united states, >> really interesting, set fairness while i thank you >> all right >> coming up, it's one of the busiest ports in america. now, everything from cars to sugar to cruz's are affected after this baltimore crash. >> what this means for you >> anderson cooper 360 tonight at eight on cnn >> what's a push of a button >> constant contexts >> ai tools help you know what to say even when you don't >> constant contact, helping the small santo >> this is remington. he's a member of the family for sure. >> we >> always said them kibble. it just seemed like the thing to do, but he was getting picky. we heard about the farmers dog and there was a complete transformation. his coat was so soft we've had amazing energy. he was a completely different dog it's a no brainer that where maybe should have the best nut

john eastman in california, jeffrey clark in the district of columbia.8-page decision through which a judge said he should no longer be a member of the california state bar. she also recommended that he be fined. he has mechanisms to appeal. but for now, he will be on the inactive role of california state. he can not practice law. jeff clark, by contrast, is going through something akin to what john eastman went through. in john eastman's case, a 34-day trial. jeff clark is in the middle of his and we've seen testimony from a number of people, including several department of justice officials who were in the room with jeff clark when he tried to persuade donald trump that he should continue to go down the path of suggesting to states that they appoint their own electors and essentially circumvent the will of the voters. >> thank you very much for keeping track because it is hard to keep track of all the election deniers and all the people in trouble in donald trump's orbit who were allegedly trying to overturn the election back in those heady days in 202

but when you think back to when this was all happening not just john eastman, but jeffrey clark and rudy and sidney powell none of this could have happened without them. they were the enablers that took donald trump's wild fantasies and gave the legal imprimatur to it and really spurred this whole thing on. so these i feel sorry for someone in a human sense when they lose their license, when they get indicted, or when they get sued. but i just don't feel any sympathy here because they've earned all of this. >> well, i mean if someone at home is feeling sorry for him, which i'm not sure. many people are for johnny spin. as we were waiting for this to come down. and katelyn poland. so i call it and i were talking about the ramifications of this. i was thinking about what johnny has been said after he turned himself in georgia because he is a co-defendant of trump's there. and whether he ever regretted tying himself to trump >> do you still think the election was stolen >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> no question. >> do you regret attaching your name to the former president? none whatsoeve

meanwhile, jeffrey clark, he had a disciplinary hearing before the dc bar association. clark was a huge proponent of the big lie. trump wanted to put him in charge. so could weaponnize the authority of the department of justice. to say the election is rigged and no one needs to certify so they could overturn the results of the 2020 election. he has been criminally charged in the state of georgia for his role in the plot. during the hearing this morning, acting trump attorney general jeffrey rosen again, this is a trump guy. the guy clark wanted to replace, how he and anotheto justice official, respond to clark's ridiculous claims of fraud. >> we had a discsion where mr. donahue was emphatic that the department has not found any indicaters of widespre or systemic fraud. and mr. clark said that he was questioning whether e department had done enough and he had read things on internet. and . nahue i think had a higher degree, said, you haven't been involved in this. this is not our area of responsibility. >> i have read things on the internet. maybe let's overturn 200 yard

jeffrey clark, as well. they were trying to cloak all of this in the language not of open insurrection against the united states of america or an attempt to topple democracy which is what they were trying to do but procedural mechanics about all of this. in that respect, it strikes me as very important. the bar association is saying these arguments are not just arguments of the margin that is sort of interesting. they are not doing well. they're doing something else that violates the ethical duty you have is a lawyer. >> people who study the way that democracies turn into authoritarian systems of government in policing essentially what you are allowed to do and saying good standing. so like when we talked about -- or i have been obsessed with the american fascist and would- be fascist leaders in the 1930s. the catholic church ended up being really, really important. they did a lot of things that were bad after and during world war ii. they also took child cauldron off the air when he was organizing his and l

i think the disbarment of john eastman and the charges against jeffrey clark are appropriate and sends a message to lawyers who violate the response abilities and their oath as lawyers in the name of defending someone was become a demigod. >> thank you for being here. for those watching right now, make sure you get the book. it is selling out fast and is amazing. >>> still to come on "the katie phang show" , fundraising face- off. after blockbuster call for president biden at a recent event for president biden in the city, trump says he plans to be 10. >>> the campaign targeting nikki haley voters. and the democratic lo mein voting blitz coming. keep it right here on msnbc. n . an alternative to pills, voltaren is a clinically proven arthritis pain relief gel, which penetrates deep to target the source of pain with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory medicine directly at the source. voltaren, the joy of movement. meet the jennifers. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth

>>> john eastman and jeffrey clark found themselves a few steps closer to being disbarred.have been identified as co- conspirators and trump's federal election interference case. >> we talk about the lack of accountability. as alicia noted, there are some of the foot soldiers and the lieutenants, if you will in the donald trump maga army that are seeing accountability. this too is an important piece. >> it is an important piece. and we were talking about the court system earlier. this is the bar association. we all have to have law licenses to practice since it is the bar association that decide that we are working in accordance with those. that includes an oath very similar to the oath of office. this is one of the reasons why this matters. trump attorneys are making decisions that are in the benefit of trump that have nothing to do with the law or the appropriate behavior of the lawyer. it is because we have this kind of process where the bar association's themselves make the decisions about the accountability we are seeing and we saw it with rudy giuliani as well. here i

in georgia, the last white house chief of staff, mark meadows and jeffrey clark could be on their wayto prison at the end of that case as could donald trump's legal team including giuliani who illegally tried to overturn the election. joining us now is former chief of the criminal division. he's the co-author of the new best selling book, "the trump indictments." and tim o'brien is with us, the senior executive, and he is host of the bloomberg podcast crash course. an msnbc political analyst. andrew, what happens now? donald trump can go forward with his apeel, but his assets will not be protected, which means they could start closing in on some of those assets? >> absolutely. he is allowed to appeal. >> and he is claiming to his followers they won't let me appeal unless i put up half a billion dollars. that's a lie? you can appeal? >> that is a lie. exactly. this has to do with the judgment and whether it could be enforced. to be clear, it is enforced now, but the attorney general in new york has given, which is fairly common, a 30-day grace period to him to basically either put up t

for jeffrey clark.j official who donald trump appears to have installed as the acting attorney general for part of the day on january 3rd, 2021. and furtherance of trump's alleged efforts to stop the peaceful transfer of power to president-elect joe biden. and that's not all. rudy giuliani, jenna ellis and sydney powell and others all face similar bar license consequences. >> laga making attorneys get attorneys. joining us now to discuss is kyle cheney senior legal affairs reporter at politico. and mary mccord forming acting assistant attorney general at the justice department. >> also the co-host of a wonderful podcast prosecuting donald trump and she is at msnbc legal analyst. welcome. >> so mary, kyle, it seems like the only accountability we're going to get for some of these other people who were in the trump world and allegedly orchestrated some of these election interference schemes is going to be through these professional disbarment procedures. what can we learn from these procedures and what ar

mcdougal, the lawyer for jeffrey clark, one of the defendants in this case, quoted from the book jacket had exclusive access to thousands of internal documents, text messages, audio recordings and other material, trying to imply that fani willis or the district attorney's office had provided us this exclusive access from grand jury material and other investigative files. completely wrong. they obviously did not read the book closely because if they checked chapter six, it is quite clear where this material came from. it is from sources we at the south carolina plantation, owned by lynnwood, one of the -- where a lot of the trump lawyers, sidney powell, others including michael flynn, were gathering, concocting these wild conspiracy theories that were then used by trump and his lawyers to promote their stop the steal project. it had nothing to do with fani willis. it was quite significant, there are audio recordings that we have in the book. >> michael -- i want to pause for a moment. the fight the fact that you expertly explained the information, the way and when it was presented by the

in georgia, trumps last white house chief of staff, mark meadows and jeffrey clark could be on theirat the end of that case, as could donald trump's legal team including rudolph giuliani who illegally try to overturn the presidential election. joining us now is andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel. he is the co-author of the new best-selling book, "the trump indictments," in tim o'brien is with us, the senior executive editor of bloomberg opinion and author of trump nation. he is host of the bloomberg podcast, "crash course." enter, what happens now? donald trump can go forward with his appeal but his assets will be protected from the bond which means the attorney general could presumably start closing in on some of those assets. >> absolutely. he is allowed to appeal and that has nothing to do with his bond. >> is claiming to his followers, they won't let me appeal unless i put up the half billion dollars to appeal. that's a lie. you can appeal. anyone can appeal. >> yes, that is a lie. this has to do with the judgment and whether it can be enforced. to be clear, the judgmen

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interesting arguments to get into harry mcdougal, who was just speaking now he's an attorney for jeffrey clark, one of trump's more than a dozen co-defendants describing what he sees as a conflict of interests for fani willis as an irreparable stain, as a bonfire of conflicts, of interests. asking what message? he thinks would be sent if they were not disqualified, they being the district attorney, fani willis, and the entire team, nathan wade, included. let's bring in cnn's laura coates, who has been watching and taking notes alongside us this entire time, learning from laura echevarria, you have to do so. >> initially a big part of the discussion that we heard from the defense team had to do with the question of whether there was an actual conflict of interest or the appearance of conflict of interests, that offense there at one point, john merchant, part of the defense team for mike roman seemed to argue that they didn't need to prove actual conflict, but rather just the appearance of conflict of interests. what did you make of those arguments? of the arguments overall? >> well, first, on t

for jeffrey clark, the disgraced former doj official who donald trump appears to have installed as actingthe day on january 3rd, 2021, in furtherance of trump's alleged efforts to stop the peaceful transfer of power to president-elect joe biden. and that is not all, rudy giuliani, john ellis, sidney powell, and others office similar license consequences. >> joining us now to discuss is kyle chaney, senior legal affairs reporter at politico and former acting assistant attorney general at the justice department. >> she is also the co-host of a wonderful podcast, prosecuting donald trump, and she is an msnbc legal analyst, welcome. >> so, mary, kyle, it seems like the only accountability we are going to get for some of these other people who were in the trump world and allegedly orchestrated some of these election interference schemes is going to be pretty is professional just and procedures. what can we learn from these procedures, what are the kinds of findings that the judges are making here, and what can they tell the american public about the events of january 6 and those who are allege

you've got linwood, sidney powell, jeffrey clark, kenneth chesebro, rudy giuliani. you have to wonder, is the law closing in on trump if it's going through his lawyer? hers as well, reminds and thank you so much, laura coming up and all hands on deck kind of moment. and in 2024 campaign, can his former boss present brock obama, turn the tide for now president joe biden will talk about it next. >> seven astronauts setting off on a scientific mission, columbia used in check. >> i didn't know anything concerning it happened there were people that did though >> the space shuttle accident, it's usually not one thing, it's a series of events >> you follow the debris. what's it telling you >> it should have had that test on day one we need to figure out what the hell happened >> space shuttle columbia. fine. flight and beer sundayay, apriril 7 at nine cnn n tax x >> seasoson is huntiting seasonr identitity thieveses, which isi tax frfraud was upup 30% l last. live locock alerts y you, and ws to f fix problemems with a dedicacated restororation agene life blockck, identityt

during the hearing this morning, acting trump attorney general jeffrey rosen, a trump republican can to dude. the guy that clark wanted to replace, explained exactly how he and another top just as department official -- again, trump appointee, republican, responded to the ridiculous claims of fraud. >> had a discussion where mr. donahue was very emphatic that the department has not found any indicators of widespread or systemic fraud that would affect the election outcome. and mr. clark said that he was questioning whether the department had done enough. and that he had read things on the internet. and mr. donahue, i think, had a higher degree of granularity. if you haven't been involved in this, this is not your area of risk on stability. >> i've read things on the internet. sort of sums up the whole thing. let's overturn 200 years of american democracy because i read stuff on the internet. before clark took the witness stand, his lawyer tried to strike a deal the board where he would receive questions ahead of time to do that his client could avoid repeatedly invoking his fifth amendment rights. he said he wa