my next guest, jeffrey getleman, has known about kony for years. with the army on the hunt for kony two years ago. gettelman is the east african bureau chief for the "new york times," and he happens to be here, and i wanted to him about kony and about al qaeda in africa and africa and its prospects in general. thank you for stopping by. >> it's good to be back. >> what was it like to be with the ugandan army while it was trying to find joseph kony? >> it was a pretty amazing experience. the ugandan army has been pursuing kony for years, and now they're stretched away from uganda. they've gone into sudan, south sudan, central african republic, congo. they invited me to go with them on this manhunt. it was some of the roughest terrain i have ever experienced. i mean, impenetrable jungle that we were hacking our ways through. walking up, you know, to our necks in this black water, these rivers that flow through the jungle. there was this leaf that these ugandan soldiers had warned me about. they said whatever you do, don't touch this leaf as you're wa