when you're an artist you can learn from your failure. >> rose: jeffrey goldberg and jr. when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. >> rose: u.s. secretary of state john kerry's push for nasa the middle east is taking shape. this week saw the beginning of of the latest round of israeli/palestinian negotiations in washington. chief negotiators, zippy livni and her counterpart, john kerry announced martin indyk as u.s. special invoy. kerry is hopeful to come to an agreement within nine months. jeffrey goalberg joins from bloomberg view joins me from washington. welcome. >> thank you. >> the reason i'm so anxiously await talking to you is because of your own -- what you have written and what you have said about the middle east and how well you know the participants. this is what you said. "just to be clear, this is what needs to happen by next april in time for the white house signing ceremony. jerusalem, the holy city in judaism and the third holiest in islam will have to be divided in a way that do

jeffrey goldberg wrote today, quote, assad believes that no one, will do a damned thing to stop him.here is a good chance he is correct. close quote. state tv is reporting that mubarak was ordered to be placed under house arrest. he was stripped of power in 2011, and sensed to life in prison. he is going to be retried. says mark supp.er better redefined -- he's announced a grand plan to get the other 5 million people in the world online. we're talking about those who do not have internet access, not just in third world countries. nearly 20% of the people in the u.s. are deprived of the internet. here's what he told cnn's chris cuomo. >> the way i like to live, every day i wake up, what can i do to have the biggest positive impact. i spend almost all my time on facebook. i think giving people the power to share is one of the most profound changes happening in the world today. getting the next 5 billion people to have access to the internet i think is one of the most important problems in my generation. >> zuckerberg's campaign is called internet.org, and mobile devices will be key. he

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i want to read a quote from jeffrey goldberg who analyzeds the situation thusly. why would the assad regime do this? the answer is easy, because assad believes no one, not the u.n., not president obama, not other western powers, not the arab league will do a damn thing to stop them. there is a good chance they're correct. what's your analysis, ayman? >> reporter: there is no doubt that what is happening inside syria, president assad has some close allies. his calculus as to why he is carrying out the attacks has to do with his own confidence that the russian government is going to stand behind him. as we've said time and time again when there has been an attack to try to solve this or put pressure on president assad internationally, russia has prevented that. so he feels he must still have russia in his corner that allows him to carry on with the killing machine that he has unleashed over the past two years. it is not going to slow down. whether or not he felt he had to tactically use a chemical weapon we don't know. he would not be in the position he is acting so

the caution has earned the white house applause on both sides of the aisle but as bloomberg's jeffrey goldbergclosing two dozen embassies across the arab world also has its drawbacks. >> this is very problematic. you are telling 21 countries we want them to believe that we're a powerful country, an open country, a free country, and we're preemptively closing our embassies because of a somewhat vague threat. it does signal that al qaeda is very effective and scaring us. >> joining us now from washington, brookings institute senior fellow and directser of research for the center for 21st century security and intelligence, michael o'hanlon. joining us from cairo, nbc news if chief foreign correspondent richard engel. richard, to you first. if you could tell us, what are the practical implications as you see them for closing a multitude of embassies across the arab world? >> reporter: right now there are not a great deal of impacts because it is the end of ramadan. the eed holiday which comes at the end of ramadan is almost upon us so not a lot of business would be done at the american embassy or

threat and what it means, we welcome former secretary of homeland security michael chertoff and jeffrey goldberg of bloomberg view. i want to start with you, secretary chertoff. really alarming details this morning. seems a very credible threat but not a specific target. operatives in place at least in one place, that's believed to be yemen, but here at home, these beefed-up security measures, what do you make of all this? why at home? >> well, first let me observe, as congressman ruppersberger did, that apparently the collection of this warning information came from the kinds of programs we've been discussing about, the ability to capture communications overseas. now, that gives you very credible information. it's believable because you're hearing the bad guys themselves talking about doing something. the challenge is it's not specific. they haven't yet talked about a particular target or a particular location, and that's why you have a broad warning but one that's taken quite seriously. >> but it reminds me of those color-coded days. that everybody gets used to it, so is this going to be the n

regime -- the assad jeffrey goldberg today rights, why would the assad regime launched its biggest chemical attack on civilians at precisely at the moment when a u.s. inspections team -- un inspections team was parked in damascus? the answer is easy, because it suggests that no one will do a damn thing to stop them. there is a good chance that he is a correct. is the u.s. going to do anything to stop them beyond what is done? >> there are a number of steps that we have taken i have walked through what those steps are. those involved humanitarian aid, close coordination with our allies, important conversations with regional partners. and it involves some assistance to the syrian military council. there are a range of things that we have done already. in terms of additional assistance that could be -- that i certainlyvided, would not rule that out. but again, that is something we are considering on a very regular basis. the results of this investigation or the results of the assad regime is seeking to inhibit this investigation will results in calculated measures later. >> will the president

. >> jeffrey goldberg made the point he's doing it to flout international authorities and say there's nothing you can do. >> i don't think he can play that cheap game because he's responded by repeatedly saying the u.s. should not be getting involved because this will not be a picnic. we can't have it both ways, one hand trying to flout the international community and on the other hand putting out messages of fear. we still don't know who committed the atrocity and unless we have the full facts we're going to be doing a repeat of iraq, blowing threats out of all proportion and talking about weapons of mass destruction and not knowing where the chemical facilities are and then putting u.s. blood and treasure at risk once again. >> i think we -- the -- the spector of iraq looms incredibly large over syria but what we've witnessed in the two and half years, 1.7 million refugees, 100,000, conservative estimate dead, pictures of women and children gassed to death, by who we don't know, but we are not going in there because we think -- i think the reasons for going into syria are different

one by bret stevens in the pages of "wall street journal" and other online by jeffrey goldberg on bloombergly done. both come to the same conclusion. we have three sets of actors in egypt. the military which is in power in the government. we have the muslim brotherhood which has been thrown out of power and liberal secularists, as represented by former vice president elbaradei. they want a liberal, western oriented secular society that is not islamist. those are probably people instinct live the united states would like to see in power but they're out of power. the question is, we have two players, the military and the muslim brotherhood. we'll either have an outcome in which the military prevails and establishes some kind of calm in the country or we'll see return to power of the muslim brotherhood and which one does the west want to have? both stevens and goldberg make the point it is an easy answer. we want the military to prevail, establish some sort of calm in the cowe do not want to see reto the muslim brotherhood which if they were bad before, and they were bad before will be even wo