jeffrey goldberg and david sanger also just back from switzerland. welcome to all of you. david ignatious let me start with you you said this framework is better than many feared why? >> i take the specific provisions you summarized those at the beginning of the show, just we're better in most dimensions than we had been led to expect. expecting centrifuge number on the order of 6500. about 5,000. we were expecting a cap on enrichment to come down from 7,000 to 300 is a very substantial drop. the inspection procedures generally look stronger, more robust than we expected. there's some problems in this deal that really need to be noted. you pressed the secretary moniz about different between u.s. and iranian statement. did he not give a clearance to that. the reason is that right now there are two differences, two versions of this. we're going to find out between now and june which one is going to prevail finally. >> o'donnell: how could this deal still fall apart? there are lots of issues to be worked out. >> you needed two versions to go back and political constituencies

let's bring in jeffrey goldberg. an's status as a vengeful nuclear threshold state by allowing it to maintain a vast nuclear infrastructure. this was not part of the international community's original plan and it is a cause to worry and yet your article is entitled" on iran the least worst option." is it a deal we should take if we can get it on june 30stth? >> depends on what's in the -- what's in the actual deal. the thing that we're forgetting in the last few days is that this is called a framework treatment agreement but it's actually more framework than agreement at this point. one example is the prime minister -- prime minister netanyahu, just said in that little clip he talked about sanctions being lifted up front. we don't know when sanctions are going to be lifted frankly, and we don't know the pace of sanctions lifting because i don't think these things have been decided. a lot of things haven't been decided yet. it would seem that if you're trying to shape the deal rather than kill the deal that what he wou

joining me now jeffrey goldberg and the school of advanced international studies at johns hopkins university both. what do we do with the fact that the minute this was announced? they didn't sign anything together. they couldn't agree on one. they agreed to disagree own go home and have this ambiguity. >> they were very tired. >> then zarif immediately tweeted and criticized the statement of facts that the state department put out and then went home and is denying that the sanctions would be phased out gradually denying that there's any restrictions on some of these main underground facilities as well as future research and development. >> let's -- i like to focus on this, they are calling this the framework agreement, but it much more framework than it is agreement at this point. there's a general scaffolding of issues that they have generally agreed upon but it's the details -- they are more than just details. there are competing narratives now about what was agreed to and that's when you lack an actual document or have unilateral documents when you lack a kind of joint document you really

skeptical or critical of the negotiations have now come out in support, such as richard hass jeffrey goldberg>> one of the biggest issues still up in the air is sanctions. secretary kerry said they'll be phased out over months. but as someone who's visited tehran four times, can you put in perspective the sanction' impact on that country, on iran and what role they played in getting to the table? >> there's no question that sanctions have played a major role in getting the iranians to come to the table and negotiate. and we end up with this sort of result. it's been that impactful. we also should keep in mind that in addition to the sanctions, the reason the iranians came to the table was that the united states said to iran early on that if you meet certain requirements, you will be able to maintain a limited enrichment capacity on your own soil. i think the combination of those two things made it possible for iran to move forward in this way. now, on the sanctions side of this there are still many details to be worked out. but the basic gist of the agreement so far is that iran will have to