all those people who profess to be a little bit of obama again as jeffrey goldberg suggested the dislike of the foreign policy establishment. different levels of intellect and preparation. does donald trump somehow think he says ihose people learn a lot about foreign policy from one i hear on television on sunday shows. i was talking to a very successful businessman. he said i just know he's going to be different. he said i support donald trump. get on i know he will the phone and he will say to vladimir on coming to see you. newbies ever said that. that's what he doesn't. you say that whenever get energy and commerce. he believes in what this man does. part of the mill you that he lives in. the idea that i'm going to get on the phone and vladimir putin will see the light. do we think the state department is filled with idiots right now? problems are complicated. the big problems in the world are not a question of one person calling another and being tough table. the big problems are structural. they have to do with globalization. the president cities more concerned about climate change

for more on the trip we are joined by atlantic jeffrey goldberg. let's start with the conversation with the notion of being rattled, the president to talk about nominee of another party in america, what did you make that have comment? >> it is is interesting. not since eisenhower talked about wendy. a small irony, the president rattled america's allies in ways that we haven't seen by talking about free riders, people who take our money but don't do anything for us. on the other hand on continuum of rattling, foreign leaders understand even though they are sometimes distressed he action septs and understands the internation natural railroaded. when i talk to people with from south korea, japan, britain, france, other allies, they question whether donald trump even understands that post war international order that has brought 71 years of stability and ab sense sense of world wars to the planet. >> dickerson: what is the practical reality of being rattled? if countries are rattled, just be nervous have another drink? >> what do they do? we see that i

jeffrey goldberg national correspondent for the atlantic. "fortune" magazine ninja east meastman and charles krauthammer. >> your thoughts on what he said. >> it's more what he didn't say. he was explicit about not apologizing. he didn't refer to the war. he referred to the concept of war. and the evils of death and destruction but it was a very important move for him leaving the presidency. he's been obsessed as we know for years with athlete of nuclear weapons. he wanted to remind the world of what they can do without talking about who did what to whom so that was interesting. >> the federation of american scientists weighed in on this speech and the specific focus on nuclear weapons saying mr. obama's visit to hiroshima takes place in the shadow of his nuclear weapons legacy. the obama administration has reduced the stockpile less than any post-cold war administration. the amount of war heads dismantled in 2015 was lowest since president obama took office. there you see president obama 13% during his time. he talks about and has talked ab

. >> jeffrey goldberg, national correspondent for the atlantic who interviewed barack obama on his foreignolicy tried to explain the president's approach. >> he refers to the washington play book, the washington playbook is something happens in country "x" and therefore we have to send 50 cruise missiles to deal with that problem and what he wants to do, he says, is break washington of the habit every problem overseas comes with a potential military solution. >> it was clear he had a new take. but the question remained, what would president obama actually do? he was against the war in iraq. but his military people warned against a hasty withdrawal. >> it was really important that we try to maintain a military presence there in order to make sure that the gains that had been achieved with a lot of blood by the united states, as well as iraqis, that those gains could be maintained. >> leon panetta was president obama's secretary of defense from 2011 until 2013. >> that's why the pentagon supported maintaining a presence there. >> the key to preserving an american military presence in iraq wa

>> well, my first thought was that jeffrey goldberg, who, you remember, did that very revealing interviewpresident obama that appeared just recently id which the president said all kinds of things about foreign leaders and others that raised all kinds of eyebrows is really not properly described as being in the tank for the president. he is a pretty darn good and very knowledgeable reporter. so, i think that claim by ben rhodes, if that's what it was is a little extravagant. i'm not particularly familiar with the work of the other journalist so i can't comment ton. >> no doubt that mr. goldberg is a left wing guy and writes for the atlantic which sun believablably left. so, it wasn't a surprise to me. what was a surprise is that the writer of the article didn't even ask david samuels, the "times" guy, didn't even ask for a comment from goldberg or this laura rosen, didn't even ask him. didn't even call him. >> i think that was probably something he should have done. i might make this point, bill, i thought the article told us more about ben rhodes and perhaps the obama white house than it

remarks at rutgers yesterday is an attempt to turn the page from his failure, as put out in jeffrey goldberg'stlantic piece in the "new york times" piece on ben rhodes. he loves to talk about trump because every time he talks about his foreign policy it ends up being a disaster. i do think there is a part of the party faithful that says, go donald and turn the table over on media elites and democratic party strategists like you did on the republican party. >> there's also an argument this election is about trump opposed to president obama's legacy. normally when you have a two term democrat everybody would be trying to tear down obama instead of trying to win back the white house for republicans, instead we're focused on donald trump. >> that depends where you look. barbara boxer presented herself as hillary clinton's representative over the weekend and was tlustily booed by the sanders people and she got angry and told them to go home. right now, they're melting down. media want to focus on donald trump because he is a bigger story and hillary clinton is a god-awful comment. libya, isis colon

molly ball covers politics for the atlantic and jeffrey goldberg is national correspondent. the republican race? is it over? >> i think the wind is obviously at his back. when you win the five primaries so decisively in the past in the northeast corridor primary, new york, big win beforeat program, my goodness, demographically, trump did fine. he carried greenwich, connecticut, holy mackerel something big is happening in the party. i do think under girding the race so big in many ways that essential thing is that donald trump, the rising republican, the, in my view, likely nominee, is someone who stands for things so at odds with the long time policies now in the mast 15, 20 years of the republican power people in washington, the establishment, et cetera. on key issues like entitlement cutting, immigration, trade policies, his vague sense, i think everybody's vague establishes somehow these 10,000 page bills which nobody reads aren't necessarily working in americans' favor. also key. his nonassertive perhaps stance with the world. all of this is at odds with the standing of

for those in need of more traditional forms of validation, hand-picked beltway insiders like jeffrey goldberg at "the atlantic" or laura rosen of" al monitor" helped retail the administration's narrative. laura rosen was our speed. she would find everything and retweet it. rosen's messaging campaign was so effective not simply because it was perfectly planned and a perfect example of a digital strategy but also because he was personally involved in guiding the deal itself. in the interest of time, i will skip out a few paragraphs that tell how jake sullivan and other players traveled to oman to secretly meet with the iranians in the summer of 2012. the white house point person during the later stages of the negotiation was robert malley who was currently running negotiations that could keep bashar assad in power. during the course of the iran talks, malley told me he always kept in close contact with rhodes. i would often call him and say hey, give me a reality check. he would say here is where i think the president is and here is where i think he will be. he continued, ben would try to antic

president obama who in his recent revealing interview in the atlantic magazine with jeffrey gold be berg issue -- goldberg issues a somewhat veiled criticism of his so-called saudi ally which, i think, helps explain why he's headed to saudi arabia shortly. because saudi arabia plays an outsized role in the global political economy. not only as the major swing producer of oil -- and you may be able to point the finger of accusation at saudi arabia when you try to unravel how and why it is that the barrel of oil in 2014 was about over $100, and now it's hovering at the $30 level which may be good for you who buy gasoline at the pump but has been devastating for an intriguing list of countries including venezuela, iran, nigeria and russia. and i think that what i'm saying with regard to casting a critical eye upon u.s. imperialism, u.s. foreign policy, the alliances that the united states is now ensnared in including with the medieval regime of saudi arabia, that i am not the only person who has this kind of critical outlook. although if i were forced to be honest, and i will try to do so, i do think that ou