shaming yourself. >> also with us this morning, the editor in chief of the atlantic magazine, jeffrey goldberging joe," not worth it, shaming yourself like that. >> just don't do it. >> not worth it. >> okay. former chief of staff to the dccc, adrian elrod is with us. she's an msnbc contributor and u.s. national editor at the financial times, edward luce is with us this morning. >> ed luce. hold on. willie, are you getting the transatlantic -- >> check it out. i think it's rolling out right now. >> cable is coming in. >> and what is it saying that we brought ed luce on the show to talk about? >> it's a shocking development. >> ed luce, what is going on here, my friend? >> they are doing something that a lot of people this time of year would like to do, which is resigning from their family. most of us are unable to do. of course, it follows harry's uncle andrew having been fired from his family. so there's like a lot of business restructuring going on in what prince philip likes to call the firm of the royal family. i guess we could all sympathize with meghan. the british tabloid is a raf ennus

them on the defensive, makes them hostile, makes them listen less, which is exactly why i told jeffrey goldberg get the boys out of the corner. 10, 11, 12-year-old boys don't need to hear about toxic masculinity. they need, like you said, they need to hear positive messages and get the warnings that you're delivering. >> yeah. and they really -- you know, we want to bring them into the conversation. that's very true. and yet, you know, those issues are also very real. we do see on college campuses that the rates of sexual assault are very high and boys do need to know that especially when they're drunk, they tend to overperceive yes with girls, like any sign of friendliness they perceive as yes. it makes it harder for them to hear no. it makes them less likely to step in as a bystander. so we have a lot of these conversations with girls, but we really need to have conversations with boys and help them understand the dynamics that go on that can put them in that kind of position. >> without demonizing them. the book is "boys & sex," love, porn, consent and navigating the new masculinity. this is