and then importantly jeffrey goldberg writes this.iginal article was published both the associated press and notably fox news confirmed the story, causing trump to demand that fox news fire jennifer griffin, its experienced and well-regarded defense reporter. a statement issued by alyssa farah, a white house spokesperson, soon after publication read, quote, this report is false. president trump holds the military in the highest regard. of course alyssa farah is now a high-profile surrogate for vice president kamala harris. she explains in the article that she was lied to. but two important things there. one, the truth is the truth. and if it wasn't true it wouldn't have been confirmed by fox news and the associated press. and the people who go to work for donald trump are asked to lie. they become liars as alyssa farah was in the first reporting of losers and suckers. >> yeah, look, this gets to one of the more ominous issues that i think is probably going to be illustrated in this now what, 15, 20-minute story that you've been breaki

like jeffrey goldberg published today in the "new york times" before the interview was published. the article includes an interview with john kelly about donald trump's admiration for hitler and hitler's generals who every historian knows were actually the worst generals in the european theater of world war ii. we will consider how demented it is for the nazi generals that lost world war ii after some of them reportedly participated in plots to assassinate hitler, later in this program when yale history professor joins us. donald trump, more than once in the white house, said he wished he had hitler's generals because he stupidly and ignorantly thought they were better than the generals we have now and better than the american generals that won world war ii. he stupidly thought that hitler's generals were more loyal to hitler personally. john kelly said donald trump had no idea that hitler's generals tried to repeatedly assassinate him. in the atlantic article there is a unique statement of hatred about mexicans by trump but he was talking about a mexican american soldier murdered

no one believes jeffrey goldberg. and the article from a publication that's own by one of harris donors laura first let me just say just so i didn't speak to susan earlier. >> susan wrote a book years ago where she was talking about her reporting independent and what was tonight. and this was corroborating are affirming what she had already he learned years ago, but to the point of how this is viewed by voters, i mean, i know you're talking jamal when it gets you in here what you have said just now, ryan, i think is very illustrative of what i think you're seeing from report from supporters of trump who refused to look at this in a way that is portrayed in the media. they do not see this in the same way, whether you agree with that or not, jamal, they do not see it the same way. and i wonder what can be done about that if you're the harris campaign and you're out there saying, look at all the people who were telling you do not trust this person, not just in the last few weeks, but for quite some time to forget the att

jeffrey goldberg reports, according to two people present at the meeting, trump asked did they bill us for the funeral, what did it cost according to attendees and to contemporaneous notes of the meeting taken by a participant in a answered yes, we received a bill, the funeral cost $60,000, trump became angry, it doesn't cost 60,000 bucks to bury in effing mexican, he turned to his chief of staff mark measured -- mark meadows and issued an order, don't pay it. later he said, can you believe it, and effing people trying to rip me off. that news of donald trump complaining about the cost quote to bury a effing mexican came on the same day, today the donald trump met in florida with a group of latino supporters. we will show you what president obama had to say on the campaign trail today and what president biden had to say, about the -- but we begin on the campaign trail tonight with number 2, we began with vice presidential candidate tim walz because today, campaigning with president obama, and senator baldwin in wisconsin, tim walz, delivered one of the best descriptions of the stakes i

and not jeffrey goldberg. but it's donald trump who has said that nancy pelosi is more of an enemy to america than she, then put in, and all of the other communist leaders and dictators that want to destroy america. willie, that is the october surprise. that's donald trump's biggest problem right now. >> in october surprise that is not at all surprising from donald trump. because it's the kind of rhetoric we have been hearing consistently. but you are right that he has dug in much deeper on it, and given repeated opportunities to say, no, i was speaking off of the cuff or didn't mean that. he's making it very clear that that is what he believes. that the military may be used and may be deployed against people he views as enemies of the country, people like adam schiff and nancy pelosi, that you are talking about. and these comments, put together with what we heard from general kelly, who is a decorated four-star general, father for vice president hers. talk with them about a town hall last night, trying to mak

first the new atlantic reporting jeffrey goldberg, atlantic's editor in chief. goldberg pieces titled trump, i need the kind of generals they hitler had but he leads it off with a story of an army private named vanessa guillen, who was bludgeoned to death. bludgeoned to death by a fellow soldier at fort hood in april 2020. she was a child and mexican immigrants shortly after her body was found, the former president voted her family to the white house, where he offer them help with expenses since isn't talked to reporters about it as well and if i can help you out with a funeral, i'll hope you'll i'll help you financially i think military maybe taking care of it till july military that's good. >> if you need help, all hope you they need something. >> we'll take care of will make sure she is very respected >> was in the spring then at a white house meeting in december 2020. and goldberg's new reporting on it, quoting again, at a certain point according to two people present at the meeting, trump has did they bill us for the funeral, meaning the family of poor fron

i was on a tarmac when jeffrey goldberg's story popped about winners and losers.took an hour for me to get a dozen statements saying that was not true. >> they want us to react to headlines. i'm going to remind the world what donald trump did as our commander in chief. >> joining us now, chief strategist for the bush/cheney 2004 campaign and msnbc political contributor, matthew dowd. how much does it matter that they are not airing the kelly comments or trashing the goldberg reporting? >> it matters a little bit. fox news' audience, keep in mind, is 6 million, 7 million people. 70 million people voted for donald trump. 90% of the audience that the people is going to get don't watch fox news. i think what matters in this story -- and i believe this story is actually big and could have an effect but differently than people think, is when the mainstream, broad media. what does nbc, abc, cbs, pbs, broadly big covers the story. and they covered the story. >> why does it matter so much? it's being covered by the stations you mention? >> i think it goes to a fundamental

alyssa farah who used to work in the white house, she denied a story about jeffrey goldberg, that storym a few years ago when donald trump called the war dead, when he was visiting france, suckers and losers. didn't want to go to another cemetery. she said that was not true. didn't happen. she came out now in this new piece by jeffrey goldberg where he is talking about interactions that donald trump had with generals and about the military, and she said, you know, he said this to john kelly's face. i absolutely believe that john kelly is an honorable man who served our country and who loves and respects our troops. after working for him in 2020, hearing his continuous attacks on service members since that time, including my former boss general mark milley, i unequivocally believe general kelly's account. the trump team is saying she's a scorned former employee. president trump would never insult our nation's heroes. it's the same practice. it's the same one-two punch the trump team puts out there after one of these people who worked closely with him came out and said, here is what my ex

jeffrey goldberg quoting trump touting the loyalty of hitler's generals and reporting that trump complained about picking and up the tab for a fallen us soldiers funeral calling her an effing mexican. i will let start with hitler's generals. goldberg reporting that trump asked former, or that he asked trump's former chief of staff, john kelly, about claims that trump once asked him, quote why can't you be like the german generals? so goldberg then rights while he told me that when trump raised the subject of german generals, kelly responded by asking, do you mean bismarck's generals? he went on, i mean, i know he did know bismarck was or about the franco-prussian war. i said, do you mean the eyes or is general? surely you cannot mean hitler's generals. and he said, yeah, yeah, hitler's generals and the atlantic goes on to cite then two more sources who at the trump white house, they claimed that they heard trump say, quote, i need the kind of generals that hitler had people who were totally loyal to him that follow orders. now tonight, a trump spokesman shutting down that reporting telling

his chief of staff, mark meadows and issued this order don't pay it my lead source tonight is jeffrey goldberg, the editor in chief of the atlantic, who spoke with john kelly on one of these very rare interviews. and jeffrey, i should note, there's a lot of denials coming out of the trump campaign about those stories, while other parts of your reporting, i do get to those in a moment. we'll talk about those, but but just on john kelly speaking out general kelly hearing from him, obviously, as you know, is very rare to you to the times what do you make of what he had to say to you well, we talked about the hitler issue, most of all, because i've been very interested in donald trump's belief system as it pertains to authoritarian leaders, we've never had a president of the united states are major party candidate. >> i believe, who has expressed such admiration for the leadership style of adolf hitler. and i think among the many things that john kelly was shocked that when he worked in the white house, i think this is probably the most shocking for him. the idea that donald trump would regularly

meanwhile, the atlantic's editor-in-chief, jeffrey goldberg, is out with a damning new profile of donald trump, outlining what he calls the former president's deepening preoccupation with dictators and his disdain for the american military. the title of the piece quotes trump as once having said "i need the kind of generals that hitler had." trump added, quote, people who were totally loyal to him that follow orders. he made the remark during a private conversation in the white house according to two people who overheard that comment. goldberg says he spoke with retired general john kelly this week and asked him about trump's remarks concerning the german generals. kelly told goldberg that when trump raised the subject, kelly responded by asking, do you mean bismarck generals? kelly went on, quote, i mean i knew he didn't know who bismarck was or about the franco-prussian war. kelly explained to him general rommel had to commit suicide. a trump spokesperson later responded saying the former president never made comments about needing the kind of generals hitler had. both jeffrey goldberg

jeffrey goldberg joins me now.ying donald trump and his campaign deny all of this. i think the big question here is, why now? why is john kelly coming out now? why did you choose to re-visit this now with just now 12 days until the election? >> well, i've been reporting on this for eight years. when i get new information, i report it. i can't speak for john kelly. i have to imagine that if he believes that donald trump shows fascist tendencies, it's good to warn voters before an election rather than after. i think there are more people who are anxiety-ridden about a second trump term. i think they are talking more than they have in the past. >> you start off with an anecdote about donald trump in the oval office after he offered to pay for the funeral services for an officer that was murdered at fort hood. he said, $60,000 to bury an f-ing mexican. the campaign and trump are denying that. her family sent you a statement. what does that tell you? how does it line up with all of the reporting you have done about dona

and yet, what i have read in jeffrey goldberg's piece is that he believes that when the george floyd protests happened, they should have been treated the way xi jinping used his military in tiananmen square. he believed the military should be used to shoot american citizens, to round up american citizens. he has no respect not just for the military but for the american people because he thinks so little of them that he thinks heel. just order his generals to commit war crimes inside the united states. so i guess i'll ask you the same question. it's are there ways in which veterans and military folks, can know that vote vets is doing heroic work trying to do that, but how do we break through the wall of disinformation that is flooding our members of the united states military who may never, ever read this story? >> joy, in the mess halls, in the waiting rooms, in the company rooms, you see fox news. and if all you watch is fox news, you're not going to get the whole story, obviously. and when you talk to veterans, when you talk to active duty military and say, here are these serious p

this is the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg. here's the headlines from the atlantic.mp, i need the kind of generals that hitler had. and you can see the subtitle there, the republican nominee's preoccupation with dictators and it goes on when i saw this they talk about a gillian family. tragically lost their sister and daughter. she served our country honorably. and they characterize a meeting, one in children services in. i was not in this december meeting they speak of. but a meeting with this family. and here's what the sister said about this story wow, i don't appreciate how you are all exemployeding my sister wanted death for politics. the important changes she made for servicemembers and indeed she did. president donald trump did nothing but show respect to my family and vanessa. i was in that july meeting that was undoubtedly case the. reason my antennas went up when i saw the name jeffrey goldberg i was on a tarmac in september of 2020 and a story popped from him in the atlantic and it was the suckers and loser story we have all heard. within hours, i was able

not jeffrey goldberg. but it is donald trump who said that nancy pelosi is more an enemy to america than kim jong-un, than xi, than putin, and all the other communist leaders and dictators that want to destroy america. willie, that's the october surprise. that's donald trump's biggest problem right now. >> an october surprise that is not at all surprising from donald trump. it's the kind of rhetoric we've been hearing consistently. but you're right, he's dug in much deeper on it. and given repeated opportunities to say, no, i was speaking off the cuff or didn't mean that, he's making very clear that's what he believes. that the military may be used and may be deployed against people he views as enemies of the country, people like adam schiff and nancy pelosi that you're talking about. these comments put together with what we heard from general kelly, a decorated four star general, are fodder for vice president harris. she talked about them in a town hall with cnn last night, trying to make sure the choice

as you do and as i pointed out, you spent a lot of time reporting about him, did anything in jeffrey goldberg new article in the atlantic really jumped out at you and say that's crazy, that sounds weird, or did it all sound reasonable? >> it sounds reasonable. jeffrey zoom. terrific, reporter. i'm sure he had sources that were firsthand who heard things like this and so forth. and it's part of the portrait of trump i want to know what is his mode of operating? how does he make decisions that are vital in the presidency and it's helter skelter. it is incoherent and that's what people ought to think about. they may like him or they may say helter skelter there's a great way to run an institution like the american government. >> well, it's a great book that you wrote war. let me recommended very, very highly you learned something almost on every page and i read this book. did amazing job as you always do, the legendary bob woodward. thank the book is entitled war that's the day. are. thank you very much. thank you. appreciate it very much just ahead, former president obama is set to rally voters

but let's talk about who did he deliver this news to to jeffrey goldberg, a guy who lied the united states into the iraq war, which led to the deaths of millions of innocent arabs and thousands of innocent americans. you don't go to that guy. if you don't have a particular ideological motive, i think that's what's going on. if i'm wrong, i'm happy to say that i'm wrong. >> i think it's interesting that you think that a magazine writer line the american people into war. willie encouraged it. he wrote stories that were dishonest. he wrote a story about the gassing of the kurds in i forget if it was the atlantic or the new yorker, but i'm actually referring to john kelly talking to the new york times. he wrote stories, by the way, where he took what intelligence officials in the american pentagon bureaucracy said and wrote it as the gospel truth. >> and this highlights the entire point that i'm making about trump's foreign policy is this is a guy who wants to use american troops sparingly. he wants peace through strength. that's why his foreign policy was so successful during his first term.

editor in chief jeffrey goldberg, thank you very much for being on this morning. >> thank you, jeffreylantic" anne applebaum. thank you as well. on sunday anne was awarded the peace prize of the german book trade, the associated press notes it's an award that honors those who have contributed to turning the idea of peace into reality through literature, science and art. and in anne's acceptance speech she discussed the importance of continuing to support ukraine in its fight against russian aggression, the invasion. so congratulations to you, anne, on that well-deserved honor. >> congratulations, anne. >> thank you. >>> and still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> that's amazing. that's wonderful. >> it really is. >> so well-deserved. >> framing everything that matters. >> -- democratic national committee chair jaime harrison standing by. we will talk to him about the party's effort to mobilize black voters with less than two weeks to go until election day. >>> also ahead joe's sit down interview with jimmy kimmel. what he had to say about his career, his family and the upcoming election. "m

looks like we haven't reached the bottom yet with camp kamala jeffrey goldberg of the atlantic, publishedcreed without substantial or convincing evidence. all in an effort to smear trump in the final days of the election. now, he is a trump-hating leftist responsible for pushing that widely debunked suckers and losers lie. but this time goldberg is claiming trump used vulgar language to describe a vet murdered at fort hood. 20-year-old army private vanessa guillen the daughter of mexican immigrants disappeared in 2020. her dismembered remains were found months later. >> her remains were found near the leon river. specialist robinson's cell phone had pinged to that area the night vanessa went missing. >> according to investigators, he tells her that he bludgeoned vanessa to death on base with the will hammer in the arm's room. >> the pair allegedly dismembered vanessa's body and covered her remains with concrete. >> laura: then president trump invited guillen's grief stricken family to the white house later that year and offered to help personally pay for her funeral. now, the cost was eve

. >> the family's lawyer says the writer, jeffrey goldberg, was dishonest in his initial approach to the family. >> he first reached out to me and said he was interested in doing a the four year anniversary of vanessa's murder story to that. >> for his part goldberg is standing by his story. >> the fact remains he didn't pay but there is a split mark meadows has come out and said this didn't happen. but i have great confidence in my sources and in the notes that i've seen. >> now it's worth noting goldberg also said the guillen family lawyer told him trump did not end up paying for the funeral costs, which were ultimately covered by the army and private donations. as far as we're aware, bill, neither the family nor the attorney has denied that part of the atlantic story. >> bill: thanks for running it down in los angeles. thank you. >> dana: joining us now is chief political correspondent for "the washington examiner" and fox news contributor byron york. what do you make of this as an october surprise? seems pretty coordinated. >> it does. the story that you are referring to about th

. >> this is not a guy, john kelly, willing to brag to jeffrey goldberg, who is interested in the americanth or interest in telling an honest account of trump. he disagreed with him on policy. >> those 10 people, including the former vice president, mike pence, all of these people are part of this horribly damaged worldview and all of them going after donald trump because they want to send people to war? >> the race is close, but many voters appear to be locked in on their choices, like these michigan voters who spoke to nbc. >> we already had the other president. he didn't show nothing for the people. >> it was better four years ago. >> reporter: you think former president trump is the person to make things go forward? >> i do. >> we have analysts and reporters in place across the country. we start with allie raffa in philadelphia where harris is in full campaign mode. welcome. with only nine days left, what and who is the focus of philadelphia today? >> yeah, alex, vice president harris is crisscrossing the city of brotherly love today, trying to generate love around her. this is her 14t

. >> jeffrey goldberg, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i'm stephanie sy with newshour west.the latest headlines. boeing reported as $6 billion loss for the latest quarter. even as striking union workers vote on a new contract for the company's ceo announced plans today to turn boeing around by improving company culture and boosting airplane production. but that can't be done until 33,000 striking machinists return to work after six weeks on the picket line. they are voting on a new contract today with results expected tonight. she said -- he said he's hopeful about the outcome. >> the vote is important. it is more important in terms of our long-term getting back to building airplanes, delivering good airplanes. so, we've worked really hard to find that overlap where we have got a deal that the employees can feel good about and the company can be successful going forward. >> the deal offers bonuses and a 35% wage increase over four were years and stop short of restoring a pension plan that was frozen. the u.s. government is finding american airlines $50 million for the carrie

jeffrey goldberg says when trump raised the subject of german generals kelly responded by asking do you mean bismarck's generals? he went on, i mean, i knew he didn't know who bismarck was or about the franco-prussian war. do you mean the kaiser's generals? surely you don't mean hitler's generals. and he said yeah. yeah. hitler's generals. he comes from a german family who changed their name from drumph. to americanize. but he cannot americanize his admiration of adolf hitler and his generals. franklin delano roosevelt was running for reelection in 1944. president roosevelt and his republican challenger the governor of new york did not disagree about adolf hitler. they both knew that he was the most deadly and evil enemy the united states ever faced. four years earlier, the united states was not involved in the 1940 presidential campaign. donald trump is the only presidential nominee of a major party in the history of this country who has admired adolf hitler. the only one the vice president of the united states addressed donald trump's praise of adolf hitler and adolf hitler's generals

jeffrey goldberg reports quote, when trump raised the subject of german generals, kelly responded by asking, "do you mean bismarck's generals? he went on, i mean, i knew he didn't know who bismarck was or franco-prussian war. certainly you do not mean hitlers generals, he said yeah, yeah, hitlers. >> trump comes from a german family the name drump. but he can not americanize his admiration for hitler. 80 years ago roosevelt was running for re-election in 1944, he and his republican challenger the governor of new york did not disagree about adolf hitler. they both knew he was the most deadly and evil enemy the united states ever faced. four years earlier, after hitler had started world war ii was not yet involved. the 1940 race did not disagree about the dangerous of adolf hitler who was already marching his way across europe. donald trump is the only presidential nominee of a major party in the history of this country who has admired adolf hitler. the only one. the vice president of the united states addressed donald trump's praise of hitler and residents in washington. >>> yesterday

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sister is defending the former president as well and says the reporter who wrote this story jeffrey goldberg misled her, the sister, about what he wanted to write about in this piece. you will hear the attorney first watch. >> they said he was interested in doing the four year anniversary of vanessa's murder, a story into that peer texted myron and said can you take it from here. reached out again to me just recently and this is where the story popped up obviously bamboozled with that wasn't really about, you know, talking about vanessa here it was just about gotcha with trump. i released a statement to him letting him know i was not happy about what he was going to really use and i did not wish to be a part of it anymore are half my sisters be part of that knuckle and he still proceeded to not only publish it but basically stay in my sisters image with this. >> martha: a grade seven last met with laura ingram we reached out to the atlantic for a reaction to those further claims from that piece last night on the ingram angle. chief correspondent jonathan hunt following the story for us from

. >> and the family's lawyer says the writer, jeffrey goldberg, was dishonest in his initial approach>> he first reached out to me and said he was interested in doing the 4-year anniversary of vanessa's murder story. >> for his part, goldberg is standing by his story. >> the fact remains that he didn't pay, that there is a split. mark meadows has come out and said this didn't happen, but i have great confidence in my sources and in the notes that i've seen. >> it's also worth noting that goldberg said the guillen family lawyer told him trump did not end up paying for the funeral costs, which were ultimately covered by the army and private donations. as far as we are aware, kayleigh, neither the family nor the attorney has denied that part of the atlantic's story. >> kayleigh: thank you very much, jonathan. tammy, i was in the room for the july meeting with his family. it was somber and meaningful. the present was heartfelt. john roberts pokes his appearance, he was the poor reported that day in the july m. they also disputed this, among others. the chief of staff of the vice president

. >> it's the atlantic and jeffrey goldberg and seam reporter who authored the suckers and losers hoax is he not a journalist set. an activist. he acts on behalf of the democratic party and the left. >> lawrence: caroline you were in the press shop as well back in the day. >> yes. >> lawrence: do you remember hearing anything about this? they were leaking like crazy. this would have come out during that period of time. >> absolutely not. these are undivisivably false lies about president trump there are multiple on the record sources who refuted. this some of them who don't even speak to president trump anymore. they came out to say this is false and i feel an obligation to speak the truth and again the american people see that. >> steve: thank you very much for doing it. >> ainsley: i don't know how you do it she had a baby three months ago back on the job immediately. >> thank you, one more week. >> ainsley: momma is coming to help this week, right? >> brian: bad news if you win more than one more week. 26 minutes before the top of the hour. game three best of seven tonight on fox. >

. >> pub lging a story yesterday was jeffrey goldberg where he lists out all the ways donald trump denigrated, minimized, and insulted those who chose to serve. confirmed by multiple sources, some who went on the record to confirm the stories including that trump called those who lose in war suckers. this one donald trump offered and reneged on, paying for the funeral services of a female soldier murdered at fort hood in 2020, allegedly asking aides in the oval office would vanessa's family bill him and angrily saying it doesn't cost $60,000 to bury an expletive mexican. nbc news has not confirmed the reporting and donald trump's campaign flatly denies all of the allegations. still, goldberg's reporting underscores what john kelly is arguing about donald trump's character, what john kelly said he witnessed. not to mention what dozens of other senior administration officials have said on the record about donald trump's fitness, his temperament, and his judgment including two of his former defense secretaries, two of his former national security advisers, his former vice president, his former a

chief jeffrey goldberg at the atlantic has cooked up a doozy. says trump admired hitler. there's no recordings of this, and everyone says it's baloney. but the vp who swallows hoaxes to go with her word salads ran to the cameras. it is deeply troubling and incredibly dangerous that donald trump would invoke adolf hitler, the man who is responsible for the deaths of 6 million jews and hundreds of thousands of americans. donald trump is someone who, i quote, certainly falls into the general definition of fascist who in fact vowed to be a dictator on day one and vowed to use the military as his personal militia. she was quoting kelly there. kamala is asking for trouble. she knows the secret service can barely protect 45. she's playing with fire. she knows it, and so does the white house. so just to be clear, when you said we do agree, president biden believes that donald trump is a fascist. i mean, yes, we have said he said himself the former president has said he is going to be a dictator on day one. we cannot ignore that. we know in 24 hours the highest levels of the democ

harris has on the stump, work to silence, lock him up, chants during her own route we turn now to jeffrey goldberg, is editor-in-chief of the atlantic and author of one of the two stories we just mentioned. so trump, trump says, i need the kind of generals that hitler had jeffrey john kelly spoke on the record to both you and michael schmidt of the new york times, the retired marine general, longest serving chief of staff to trump seems to be talking now because of the statements trump made about using the us military to combat enemy from within a lot of different things. i think general kelly has seen that the rhetoric is darkened over the past several months and he's been it's been pretty clear for a long time that john kelly has talked to various authors. i believe, and has said that he finds donald trump to be the most flawed person he's ever met i think kelly, like other people who worked for donald trump believed that a second term there would be no guardrails. and of course, remember that john kelly was a kind of a human guardrail along with jim mattis, rex tillerson while he was there, oth

yesterday, the october surprise has not been what one of the greatest journalists in america, jeffrey goldbergit's not what a great general who dedicated his life and whose son gave his life defending this country said. it's about what donald trump has said himself. he said this is going to be about me. i am going to arrest my political opponents. i am going to shut down cbs news because i don't like how account "60 minutes" edited a package. i'm going to exact revenge. he's talked about retribution, all these things. it's fascinating, you usually don't have your opponent playing right into your hands, but that's exactly what donald trump has been saying. yet, despite all of the unconstitutional things he has been saying and promising over the past several weeks, this race is tied this morning. >> it is a dead heat, this race. internals from both campaigns suggest they're within a point in every battleground state. the trump campaign thumping their chest more than the harris team, but it is a tight race. this is going to be the vice president's closing argument, this idea that donald trump has

generals that hitler had, people who were totally loyal to him that follow orders editor in chief jeffrey goldberg attributes that to two sources who heard the exchange. >> the trump campaign denies that he said it, but john kelly told the new york times this that hitler did some good things to live. of course if you know, history. again, i think he's lacking in that but if you know what his, you know, hitler was all about viewed be pretty hard to make an argument that he did anything good so while trump is spending his final days on the trail telling locker room stories about all the palmar, serving up fries at mcdonald's it's worth remembering that he's also said this he says you're not going to be a dictator, are you? i said no, no, no other than day one what closing the border. and we're drilling drilling drilling after that, i'm not addition course, that was just a joke maybe it was but when trump has been given the opportunity to explain his comments about using the us military against the enemy from within that comment that led john kelly to speak out. >> now, trump has responded this way b

jeffrey goldberg, the editor in chief of the atlantic, has the byline on the story he cites two sources who say that they were in there room when trump said this. but again, trump says he didn't. >> i. >> interesting to me that walz is putting it that way on the trail. you heard the crowd's reaction there. but again, when he says, i'm a 20 year veteran of the military, this makes me sick. there are also a number of repeated examples of trump denigrating the service of members in the mill, in the military as well, right? >> but we've seen what once again, going back to 2015 when he was running this doesn't seem to necessarily hurt his chances. i mean, i'm sure it turns off some voters, but it certainly doesn't turn off his base. and once again, those independent voters may not we'll see what they do in this election. one thing i will say that could hurt trump with these comments is that it allows people like tim walz, his opponents to talk about that. i think a lot of trump's supporters or those around him would like it, him to talk more about policy instead of these distractions really,

john kelly going to brag the jeffrey goldberg, who is interested in the american truth or is interested in telling an honest account of donald trump. he's a guy with an ax to grind because donald trump fired him and disagreed with them on policy all of those ten people, including the former vice president, mike pence, all of these people are have this horribly damaged worldview and they're all just going after donald trump because they want to send people into war. >> that's what, that's really your argument absolutely not like these are conservative britley, that's not conservative republicans, people. these are several republicans who are concerned about donald trump. all are not rice. all of these people, jake, they came into office thinking that they could control donald trump, that when he said he wanted peace in the world starting trump did. and when he found out, really, when he found out that he couldn't, they all turned on donald trump at a lot of them got fired and we're running and we're trying to staff the government with people who are going to govern according to principle

jeffrey goldberg that while president trump said, quote i need the kind of generals that hitler had, people who were totally loyal to him that followed orders. now that's according to two sources who heard the comment themselves. the trump campaign denies that and says, none of that happened. but here's what you need to hear from john kelly. here's what he says about the former president's affinity for one of the most vicious and evil men in world history. >> caught as a boil, the ones, that did hit what did some good things to let of course if you know, history again, i think he's lacking in that. what if you know what hit it was all about viewed be pretty hard to make an argument that he did anything good. so what would you what would you say when he said to you that hitler did a lot of good things while i tell him that i showed you, it's very issue where you should never say that but if you who knew what history was all about from the beginning to the end everything he did was in supportive his racist, fascist life, you know rafi so that nothing he tends, you could argue as good.

mussolini was a great guy by comparison i should also note that kelly recounted how he much like jeffrey goldberg found in is atlantic piece also talked about how nazi generals, hitler's generals, were more loyal to him then american generals were to trump. now, this is again, his chief of chief-of-staff recounting words he heard from trump in his face directly. the other point i would make about this is that the praise for hitler is, and the praise for strong man, authoritarians around the world is not limited to him because trump has said and continues to say, by the way, not in private but in public, kind and praising words about xi jinping vladimir putin, kim jong un, viktor urban, who have, who are not just authoritarians, but have committed crimes against their own people, right? turn the state against he's, he's saying those praising things as he's talking about an enemy within in this country. so the comments aren't just shocking. there also consequential in that they give you a sense of how we might govern we want to keep this conversation going, but we do want to go to alayna treene, wh

he actually has not mentioned general kelly or harris in the context of this reporting from jeffrey goldberg in the atlantic. but he did post earlier on his social media website about john kelly. and here's what he said he called him a total degenerate who made up a story out of pure trump derangement syndrome hatred. the guy had to quality but he's which don't work well together. he was tough and dumb. the problem is his toughness morphed into weakness because he became jell-o with time. he continues to call john kelly has a low life and a bad general whose advice in the white house, i no longer sought and told him to move on you obviously, foreign military what's your response to what trump is saying to john kelly tonight well, of course it's an insult to the military. >> it's an insult to veterans, but he's also telling on himself, right? one of the most important things that a president does is choose key personnel. donald trump has often claim that he's good at that, which he would need to be in order to be a good president. he chose john kelly, and not for some random appointment to so