plus jeffrey katzenberg, his big bet on the digital security business joe terranova is still with usn joins the conversation j.j., good afternoon to you. we talked about some of the bigger movers. you've been keeping a close eye on apple, ending down only 0.6%. >> big jump yesterday. >> what is the latest move telling you? >> it seems to exemplify somewhat the neutral situation in the market in general right now. the market is not overbought, even though we just clicked to a new high the market is also not seeing a lot of selling pressure but is having a hard time gathering up energy on the upsight. apple has been laboring for a while but it's inched higher, trying to get some traction and maybe is about to break its downturn amazon not too dissimilar in the sense of having very long sideways convalescence period it's been dealing with for some time so i don't think they're bellwethers really of tech it's really the defensive trade, the mega cap growth trade, but it tells you about this very muddled leadership picture we've had. values have become less cheap and growth is less expens