i heard from jeffrey lichtman again.e lawyer i was speaking to that he thinks he may have a viable extreme emotional disturbance defense in new york which would help lower a charge of murder to manslaughter and would lead to a much lower sentence. that is going to be a key focus of his defense lawyers. how to build their case moving forward. >> you have been talking to someone who knew him in hawaii in his past. what did you discover about him? >> we are building a bigger picture of luigi mangione. rj martin is the founder of surf break and it is a co-living space in hawaii where people come and interview for a space in that program. he said when he was interviewing luigi mangione, even then he brought up his back pain, his back issues. . he said it would often be the case he could not serve, he could not do activities in one instance for a week he was bedridden because of pain. but he also said he was someone he cooked with often, did yoga with, who was a very energetic kind individual. he was a very shocked to hear he