and jeffrey lord. wrote an op-ed in "the washington post" and called president trump's nonanswer on anti-semitism startling and saying it's quote only the latest episode in a troubling pattern. explain what you mean. >> well, nice to be here and i can explain over the course of the last 12 months from the campaign to the election to now we've seen a surge of anti-semitic incidences that have been troubling and many moments over the course of that time whether it was tweets that were sourced from anti-semitic websites, statements by white supremacists, or bomb threats to jewish community centers across the country where we've been looking for moral leadership from our president. yesterday was a moment where we would have hoped he would have spoken out clearly against an - anti-semiti anti-semitism. for some reason that didn't happen. we want to know why. >> the sentiment that his daughter and son-in-law and granddaughter are jewish, that alone should speak to his commitment to the jewish people and his

jeffrey lord, a few moments ago we heard from former president george w. bush.him a lot unless he's talking about his painting. but this morning he was talking about the president and the media. listen to what he said. >> i consider the media to be indispensable to democracy, that we need an independent media to hold people like me to account. power can be very addictive and it can be corrosive, and it's important for the media to call to account people who abuse their power, whether it be here or elsewhere. >> he also said, jeffrey lord, it's hard for the united states to go to other countries of the world and say, hey, you should have a free press when the leader of our country is cracking down on the press here. pretty remarkable comments from the former president. >> i don't think -- and i love president bush. i don't think what he's saying and what president trump are saying is all that different. >> hang on. president george w. bush did not call the media the enemy of the people. that's something president trump has said. >> first of all, john, let me stop

i want to bring in cnn political commentator, jeffrey lord. you obviously know our president personally. it might be the first major international crisis, perhaps, of the trump administration. certainly, a test of his administration. given what you know of him and about him, how do you anticipate he might deal with this? >> well, he's a very steady executive. i mean, he's an executive's executive. so he will doubtless get all the facts, talk with as many people as he needs to do, and then his reaction will be based on that. it's very interesting, as the general said, that the prime minister of japan is not only with him, but he's not with him at the white house, he's with him at mar-a-lago. and you know, there are a number of american presidents, president roosevelt, franklin roosevelt, took the king and queen of england in world war ii or right before the start of world war ii to hyde park for hot dogs. president bush xli, i think, took the president of egypt to his home in maine, and president clinton took queen elizabeth to his ranch in san

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joining us is our panel, jennifer granholm former governor of michigan and jeffrey lord cnn politicalator and contributing editor at "american spectator." >> good morning, poppy. >> good friday morning. lots of news. >> yes. >> do you think, jeffrey, that kellyanne conway owed an apology to the president for that? >> i'm sure she probably felt that way. to be candid, i think this whole thing is ridiculous. >> why is it ridiculous, jeffrey? jason chaffetz, a republican along with democrats on the house oversight committee sent a letter to the government ethics office saying this is a clear violation of the ethics code. >> i understand. poppy, this is emblematic of an anti private sector feeling that has control of washington, sometimes frankly in both parties. what about the politicians who use their office for political profit to run for another office? why don't we start looking at how the political system works here instead of the private sector. >> jeffrey lore, that's not okay. does it make it okay for kellyanne conway to use time paid for by the american taxpayer to hawk clothing

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jeffrey lord, is russia trying to test president trump and how should president trump respond to thisjeffrey is not here. i'm going to go to you, mark lamont hill. what do you think about that? >> well first i get confused with jeffrey lord all the time. it's like -- >> you guys are just alike. everything you say -- and do and think -- >> it's app important moment for donald trump and his administration, he ran with a level of proximity to the russian government. he wanted to reset to use the language again, the relationship with russia, it looked like he was going to be much closer. we've seen the last three to four weeks is the relationship to russia and a posture towards russian which is far more consistent. this isn't that different than other foreign policy relationships that president trump has offered. he was very close to benjamin netanyahu. until he makes a different claim on settlements that's more traditionally aligned with u.s. policy. he's moved in a more traditional manner and it's making russia somewhat uneasy. what president trump has to do, i believe is shore up his r

conference on thursday, there were people saying, i feel like i live in an alternate universe, jeffrey lord. there are people like you saying, i thought it was great, everything he said. and then, you know, there were the other side, those who are opponents said, you know, i can't believe this is what he said. he's unhinged. i want to go to you, whajahat lee, what was your takeaway from today's rally? >> i think there might be a vacancy for kellyanne conway and i appreciate that donald trump uses the "rolling stone" song "you can't always get what you want," because right now he can't get fairvegt ravorability or an efficient government. the real reason he did this, and obama by this same time passed a federal stimulus package, which you might not like, but actually was very bold and he actually legislated. donald trump is not legislating. he's not leading. what he is doing is like you said, trying to create an enemy. and the enemy he's trying to create is the free press. and he's saying, we're the enemy of the people, we're the opposition, according to steve bannon, who seems to be running

correspondent, criminal defense attorney and constitutional law attorney paige and cnn commentator jeffrey lord. jeffrey, we've seen pks of people being moved from their homes, many immigrant communities are terrified. what can president trump say to americans, particularly people who are afraid that their families will be torn apart? >> well, i think what he has said is i think he's basically going to concentrate at least as i understand it first on gangs or people that have problems, this mother who was moved from arizona was in, fact, a convicted felon. not only was she here illegal -- >> that's a separate issue because she was not caught up in the raid. but as it pertains to the raids overnight. >> yeah. well, i mean, look, he's going to get tough on this. you can't just walk into a country, any country, and settle there and think that you're not going to have a problem. if the shoe were on the other foot, if this were reversed as it was in fact by accident with a united states marine who took a wrong turn when he was trying to go to california and wound up in mexico, they threw him in jail

there's nothing more sacred than our election and our democratic process. >> jeffrey lord, couldn't donald alleviate all of this by saying, you know what? here's all the contacts people in my campaign had, here are the phone conversations, here are the russians that -- >> the yes, ma'amly cati -- impn is that he was conspiring with russians. >> we don't know what the implication. >>. >> why not come forward and say here's the contacts. >> i don't it's that big a deal. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. first of all, you know. >> let's investigate it, let's. >> we have, some of us actually, some of us actually remember richard nixon and a three-bit, two-bit burglary and the watergate complex, the coverup, the coverup was almost worse than the crime. >> i'm grad you mentioned that. >> everybody is asking what did trump know and when did he know it. >> coming up, the president's of pick for labor secretary is out. a look at why. nutrients we may need. plus it supports bone health with calcium and vitamin d. one a day women's in gummies and tablets. don't pay hundreds more for taxes and fees on

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and with us also jeffrey lord.retary reich, is this a step that congress should take trying to obtain the president's tax returns? >> i think it's an important step the congress should take, and in terms of it being anne a administrative matter. imagine a more important one than making sure the president has not been engaged with a foreign power, in this case, russia, in basically loading the election, and turning the election to his favor. now, i'm not saying he's done that. but a lot of evidence is accumulating, anderson, and every day that goes by, the distrust of the public grows. i think one important step that donald trump has to make is to disclose his taxes. in 2008 donald trump junior told a real estate conference that russian money is pouring into the donald trump organization. and that a disproportionate cross section of their assets come from russia. he was talking about russian tycoons. that's important information. that would show up in the tax returns, because you can see in terms of interest on loan

let's talk about this with me, jeffrey llord a jeffrey lord and mark lamont hill and host of b. e. t. news. jeffrey, i'll start with you. is this meant to boost america's morale or the president or both? >> first of all, it's not uncommon. i think president obama went to elkhart indiana on february 9th of 2009,less than a month after he had been sworn in as president. so there are precedents for this kind of thing. the permanent campaign as they call it going on through the last several presidencies long after the campaign trail raising money, et cetera. president obama was no exception. number one, nothing new about this. and i think it's always good for presidents, this one in particular, getting in touch with the fwoeolks who voted for him. it's always a relief to get out of the white house as he's learning to and a good thing to do. >> on that point, does it help mr. trump to get out of white house and among the people? >> it helps him sure, with his base but lingering questions i don't think get resolved if you stay on the campaign trail. jeffrey is right. the doctrine of the p

let's discuss with cnn political commentator ana navarro and former white house political director jeffrey lord insistence, brother lord, of calling every criticism and every hard question fake and bias seems a little weak at this point, does it not? >> chris, chris, let me ask you, where is your clip of donald trump saying there is a moral equivalent between russia and the united states. do you have it? >> yes, we have it. >> he says moral equivalence? >> he says putin is a killer and he say, so, we have killers here. >> does he say moral equivalent? >> let's listen to him. >> do you respect putin? >> i do respect putin. >> do you? why? >> i respect a lot of people. that doesn't mean i'm going to get along with him. he's a leader of his country. i say it's better to get along with russia than not. if russia helps us in the fight against isis which is a major fight and islamic terrorism all over the world, that's a good thing. will i get along with him? i have no idea. >> he's a killer now. putin is a killer. >> a lot of killers. we've got a lot of killers. you think our country is so innocent?

. >> joining us now to discuss all of this, cnn political commentator symone sanders and jeffrey lord. also with us cnn legal analyst laura coats. thanks to all of you for being with us. >> thank you. >> laura, let's start with you. i want to get to your reaction to president trump's supreme court nominee, neil gorsuch. given his firm conservative values and how he might decide on issues as o'borgs, voting rights, and religious equality. >> well, unsurprisingly he's chosen someone who has ideologically very similar views to the person's shoes he's filling, judge antonin scalia, and there's no surprise to the world that scalia had very conservative viewpoints with respect to those issues. the one thing that's really key here is trump campaigned on the promise of trying to reverse roe v. wade, which essentially made abortion rights nationwide legal. but in this case by just simply filling the shoes of a conservative equal you haven't really tipped the scale in favor of trying to reverse roe v. wade. remember, you've still got justice kennedy, who although he usually goes conservative, h

but one of the major promises he made was repeal and replace obamacare, but i will agree with jeffrey lord we can't have that. >> i will agree on this particular point and that is that republicans had no plan. and they cannot get a plan, because there's no way of replacing obamacare, the only way you replace obamacare is if you come up with some way of preserving the preexisting condition provision, which depens upon the mandate that requires healthy young people to get health kay, without that you can't cover preexisting conditions. >> the mandate doesn't work, when you have a lot of people >> we can debate whether it's worked or not. every cost is increasing, and dedu deductibles are going up. and thank goodness, the obama str administration stopped them. are they going to stop the big health insurers from coming together and monopolizing? >> jeffrey does raise a fair point there, which is that the balance so far hasn't been achieved of the mandate getting enough of those young people in the system in effect to counter balance the older people who are in effect more expensive. >> i disag

. >> we're joined by jeffrey lord. i want to read to you some of the more recent tweets of mr.. i just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. if something happens, blame him and the court system. people pouring in. bad. what's your take on that. is it a president's place to question, to preemptively blame a judge for a catastrophe that hasn't even happened? >> well, here's thing. i regret to say this, but now, for decades, politicians, particularly out of the left-hand side of the spectrum have been questioning the integrity of federal judges and their decisions. i worked in the white house for, on five supreme court nominations. in particular, robert bork. i was in the bush 41 administration when clarence thomas was accused of all sorts of things and finally gave the memorable speech about how he was being subjected to a high-techynching for uppity blacks. this has gone on and on and on. >> so -- >> i get it. >> you're telling me that there can be an adversarial relationship between judges and presidents. my question, we're talking about this judge and thi

> joining me to discuss our cnn political commentators, former reagan white house commentator, jeffrey lord professor at moorehouse college. >> does president trump in your view need to, what does he need to do to address this? >> well pamela, first of all a situation like this is heartbreaking, terrible. heart-rending. but you have to face the fact that this woman knew she quite deliberately broke the laws of the united states, she came here, and broke them again with the social security law, getting a false social security number. or whatever she did. so twice over she's done this. she came here, she had her children here. you know, you cannot en masse, have people coming into this country or for that matter, any other country, and doing this. and i assure you, if the situation were reversed, and an american went to mexico and did exactly as she has done, they would be in jail this minute. mark, your take? >> i think this speaks to a larger problem. i think jeffrey is right to say the system as it stands is untenable. but the way to repair the system isn't to criminalize individual people

i want to bring in jeffrey lord. certainly, we have seen protests like this in america's past.it is jarring to see protesters with pre-made shields and dressed all in black, sort of in this organized fashion, trying to stop someone from speaking. >> the first thing that popped into my mind became ronald reagan, when he was governor of california he sent the national guard into this very university because of what they called the free speech movement of the day. they'd taken over a part that had been supposed to be dormitories and they wanted to steal property from the university. governor reagan was angry. he sent the national guard in. i believe there was a student killed in all this. this university has a history of doing this kind of thing. it's very part of the left. but to your moirngts whethpoint milo, who is jewish and gay. this is part of their dna. it's not good. you see this behavior right now. it's self-explanatory. it's terrible. >> the other question is, does it, who does it actually help here? you know, for somebody like this speaker, this kind of attention just e

jeffrey lord. kayleigh mcenany. and dana bash.ana, in terms of the presidential reaction calling this a political decision, it was a unanimous decision including a judge appointed by president george w. bush. would it surprise you if the president continues to go after these judges? >> to go after them personally rather, yes, it would surprise me given the backlash that we have seen from everybody including his own nominee for the supreme court. however, i'm told by a senior administration official that the backing that they say that they have for the allegation that this was a political decision is because of the fact that in this ruling the judges cite arguments that the washington state attorneys made talking about the fact that this is effectively just a part of the muslim ban that then candidate trump talked about on the campaign trail and that is they argue unconstitutional. now the judges didn't actually say they agreed with it but the fact that they referred to that argument a couple to-tiof times their ruling suggests to

joining us now is trump supporter, jeffrey lord. democratic strategist paul begala. also "new york times" columnist mike rooney and mark hurtling. we heard the national security adviser general flynn talking about iran being on notice. how do you interpret that message? and is there value or a strategy, perhaps, behind being intentionally vague? >> he can questions. there might be value behind the strategy of vagueness. but you don't do it in this manner. the reason i say is many will tell you the language of diplomacy is precise. there is no definition of putting people on notice. it's troubling, first of all. it's really just bluster. and to have a military guy, a former military guy standing in the national security adviser's role saying this in the open and as michelle just said, two of the five parra graphs in the press release, by the way, it's a press release, not a demarsh. it wasn't delivered to the apgs of iran. i wasn't delivered to that country, our allies weren't informed. and most importantly, our military wasn't informed. the central commander said he

joining us is trump supporter and editor jeffrey lord and contributor to the hill and "new york timeslumnist and analyst mark herdly. let's start with you. we heart him talk about being on notice. you don't do it in this manner. the reason i say that because many will tell you is the language is very precise. there is no definition of putting people on notice. it's troubling first of all. to have a military guy or former military guy standing in the adviser's role saying this in the open and two of the five paragraphs in this press release and by the way it's a press release. it wasn't delivered to that country and allies were not informed and most importantly the military was not informed. the commander said he had no idea this was going on. this is another uncoordinated action being announced by a military guy to the press without the diplomatic soft stroke that you have to take. i get it that mr. trump is a different president, but he is dealing with sovereign nations and this is unfortunate. >> jeff? >> i lds disagree. i want to read you a line after trump was inaugurated after he

. >> that panel with jonathan and jeffrey lord.is a trump supporter and came into existence and we should add a few years before the reagan administration. >> shows how old he is. >> i got to mention ronald reagan before. >> i wasn't sure i was going there. >>. >> i had a chance to ask you this, but can you understand why the trump campaign would be in constant contact with russian officials during the campaign? >> i don't know what we are talking about here. were there officials in the campaign who were in touch with them? i don't know the answer to that. >> we don't know the nature of the contacts. >> based on my experience with presidential campaigns, when you get to be the nominee of the party, foreign folks want to get in touch to see who are these people. i was listening to pat buchanan who said after richard nixon was elected and before he was sworn in, he was contact and he told dr. kissinger who was going to be the guy that the contact made and he had the meeting and reported on it, etc. there was nothing unusual about tha

i even so jeffrey lord saying wow, expressing curiosity about this move, especially to say this two months before the dinner actually happens. >> brian stelter, thank you for joining us. >> now i want to speak with my panel. we have ryan lizza, washington correspondent for the new yorker. i want you all to listen to that moment that brian stelter was talking about, president obama talking about donald trump. >> donald trump is here tonight. no one is happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donald. and that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter, like did we fake the moon landing,what really happened in rozwell and where are biggie and tupac. >> no love lost at that point in time because donald trump, one of the original birthers, spearheading that effort to get president obama to release his birth certificate. so, ryan lizza, what do you make of this? it almost seemed as if there was no way that donald trump, if he really did want to put the press in this role as being so in opposition to him, it didn't really seem t

jeffrey lord, and, well, you know ron reagan.sident trump slamming the press for using unnamed sources where in the campaign he has been the sources, and then saying he love the the first amendment. nobl lov nobody loves it better than me. >> i think he does love it. nobody uses it more than he. you played the absolute correct truth of what he said about the american media. the "new york times" today along with cnn failed a ban fr-- facea ban from the white house. i want to hold this up from february 17th. trump calls the news media at enemy of the american people as the head heine. and that is the essence of the first sentence. and then eventually, they get around to the tweet which says the fake news, and he put it is in caps, the fake news failing "new york times," cnn, nbc news and many more, closed parenthesis is not my enemy. it is the enemy of the american people. in other words, this sorry frto the "new york times" is fake news, because he is saying fake news might ye news media, what they did was take it out there. you d

. >> let's bring in cnn commentator jeffrey lord. let's get your perspective as someone who all our viewers know is a strong supporter of the president. >> guys, i have to tell you i've been listening to you and i think we saw two different press conferences. from my perspective i thought he was relaxed, funny, on point. he took the whole issue of the media and had a very candid conversation. this is the kind of conversation i personally had with him a couple years ago which he said some version of this same thing he said today except he was more specific and i think honestly what you miss here is out here in the country side as it were he comes cross as being very candid, very committed and in demand and going to do what he plans to do to get things accomplished. i can tell you this minute that rush limbaugh is exalting on conservative talk radio and there will be a huge positive response there for the kind of things he said today. >> what about some of the back an to forth that he had with reporters? you used to work in the reagan

. >> back now with jen psaki who once served as state department spokesperson and jeffrey lord.n afghanistan many times out with marines. a lot of what they're doing is development work, going to villages, meeting with elders. it's work that the state department was supposed to be doing and never got around to it, the level it was supposed to happen in afghanistan. and since you hear general mattis say if you don't have diplomats, you got to buy more ammunition. >> secretary gates used to make the statement when he was with president obama and president bush that one of the lessons learned is that we couldn't win it all with military might. and we're not fighting world war ii anymore. we're fighting different wars with a much more different enemies who are diffuse around the battlefield. and we need to do a lot more with working with countries, address needs on the ground. these are pivotal programs that you saw retired members of the military say would be devastating to the war donald trump says he wants to win. >> ronald reagan never cut the state department funding as i recal

karl bernstein and jeffrey lord and david gergen here.avid, you're been in the oval office probably listening in to these kind of phone calls with leaders in the past. it's rare that -- is it rare that so many details come out of them like this? >> absolutely. and it's almost a rush to get some of the details. it's very prisurprising. i don't know if it's reprisals, they're angry and upset with the president. >> kellyanne conway saying it's not coming out of the white house, although, i'm not sure how she would know. >> because it occurred on saturday and the leaks came on monday, probably transcripts got around to various people and they would get on the desk to some of the permanent civil servants, but we said all along the way they were alienating certain departments, state department and others, there was -- somebody is going to bite back. civil servants have a way of retaliating. i'm assuming the leaks have something to do with that. >> karl, not just the leaks but also the reality of the tense details about the phone calls with the

joining us, paul begala, jen sake, jeffrey lord, jason miller, gloria borger, ryan lizza joins us, and finally, matt lewis. jason, let's start with you, since you're new on the panel tonight. i mean, why not -- to darrell issa's point about openness and transparency. if the white house has nothing to hide, why not just come forward and say there were these phone calls, this person may have spoke on the this person and say an investigation is fine and dandy? >> first, i have to say this is completely cooked up and there's nothing to this. i was glad to see the chairman say there's no "there there." but between attorney general sessions and chairman nunez and chairman burr will go through their process, and that's part of the oversight committee that we see from congress -- >> but the white house said there's no there there, but they haven't said paul maniafort may have spoken to this person -- >> anderson, there's been these nameless, faceless sources who still haven't come forward and shown any evidence, and even the four names that they threw out there, two of them have said this is r

david gergen, i was schooled by jeffrey lord in the last hour who told me i am wrong and the american people don't care about this at all and we shouldn't be talking about this. but apparently democrats and republicans on the house oversight committee think this is important and that kellyanne conway violated the law as it relates to ethics and government employ employees. how do you see it? >> it's a story. there is a clear ethics rule. if you're working in the government, especially in the white house, you can't hawk the goods commercially of somebody else. here she did it on behalf of the president's daughter. i think it's pretty clear there's a violation. the question is what do you do about it. what's significant is that jason chaffetz, the chair of the house oversight committee and a big republican, a rising star in the republican party, is sufficiently concerned that he co-authored a letter to the justice department asking, you know, for action over there. whether there's going to be an investigation or what have you. and i do think the american people care about -- not about t

for that i'll turn to jeffrey lord.ur opinion, how -- is this a big setback for them in your opinion? >> i'm not sure it is at all. i think this sets -- >> i knew you were going to say that. [ laughter ] >> i just -- i just think the president has a very well honed instinct here how to position the establishment versus himself to go after. i want to read two sentences if i can. one from newt gingrich running for president in 2011. he was talking about the rumsfeld case involving guantanamo and rights of prisoners and he said i would instruct the national security officials in the gingrich administration to ignore the recent decisions of the supreme court on national security matters and enter pose the presidency in saying as the commander in chief, we will not enforce this, quote unquote. this is called department and this goes back to thomas jefferson. each department of the national government is truly independent of the others and has an equal right to decide for itself the meaning of the constitution and the cases s

. >> jeffrey lord was on the program last night or -- it all blends together and i said to him wouldu recommend politically donald trump go after these judges before there's a ruling and he said absolutely. >> good for the base. >> plays into hi base and continues his theme. >> as a conservative who believes there are a lot of activist federal judges out there, one of the issues conservatives have fought against for years, i get that, but he's pilots now and it's irresponsible for him toll -- >> circle back to -- >> federal judiciary when it's a co-equal branch. it makes it look like he has no respect for that. perhaps he needs to read the constitution again. >> plenty to talk about with respect to president trump. that's not new. what's new is the exchange between the senator and the judge today. let's not fool ourselves to extend out paul begala's comment, blumenthal will never, ever, no matter what judge gorsuch says, vote for his confirmation. it is not going to happen. so it's a lot of crocodile tears coming from the senator here naempt to try and get this judge to turn a flamet

political reporter alex burns, white house correspondent maggie haberman, contributing editor, jeffrey lord, paul begala, and daily beast senior columnist matt lew lewis. maggie, the kellyanne conway thing, he has the full confidence of the president. can you explain? >> both statements could actually be true depending on who you're talking to. there appears to be a split within the trump white house over exactly what to do with michael flynn. there are some people who would like to see him hang on. there are many more people who think he has created an untenable situation for himself as jim just said. he is not in a good position. people close to mike pence in particular seem to be agitating for him to go. he has twice told hens something that turned out not to be true. >> and pence went on television and assured the country that flynn did not have this conversation with the shan shans. >> i think the longer you see this go on it suggests a potential weakness in terms of pence's position and his ability to push something within the white house. it's it tough to do this week if they're goin

. >> matt lewis, paul begala, trump supporters kayleigh mcenany and jeffrey lord. let me start with you. so many moving parts to this. where do you see this going? >> a couple things happened today. one-a lot of republicans especially on the senate side by the end of the day did concede this needs to be looked at. >> house side not so much. >> not so much. on the senate side it looks like they're moving towards a serious investigation of all of the allegations of russian hacking in the election and with respect to people around trump who had ties to russia and obviously flynn will be at the center of that. >> what i don't understand is if the white house said today clearly they don't think flynn did anything wrong in making that call or calls in talking about sanctions with the russian ambassador, if that is the case and flynn didn't think he did anything wrong, why is he lying to everybody in the white house? >> great question. this may be innocent. it was his right to talk to russian ambassador as incoming national security adviser. not unusual. but why did he de

. >> joining us is jonathan tecini and jeffrey lord. i got to mention ronald reagan before you got to. >> that's good. i wasn't sure i was going there tonight. >> i haven't had a chance to ask you this, before a break, but can you understand the reason why the trump campaign would be in constant contact with russian officials during the campaign. does that make sense to you? >> i don't know what we're talking about here. are we -- are they -- were there officials in the campaign who were in touch with them? i don't know the answer to that -- >> right, and we don't know the nature of the contacts -- >> right, right. but based on my experience in presidential campaigns, when you get to the point where you're a nominee of a political party, foreign folks want to get in touch to see, you know, who are these people? i was listening to pat buchanan the other day. and he said, after richard nixon was elected, but before he was sworn in, he was contacted by a russian guy, whom he assumed to be kgb. he told dr. kissinger, who was then going to b

. >> and jeffrey lord, just as a trump supporter, i mean, you know, there's an awful lot of people who like donald trump's executive order, who we interviewed, who felt that this makes them safer, this is exactly what donald trump was elected to do. >> exactly. >> and jonathan was talking about the street, there's also, you know, in terms of the sides being drawn, all the starker, this, what has just been done by a judge can make the sides be drawn. >> i can tell you in an instant what these people are thinking. i mean, they will listen to this entire discussion from all these distinguished legal folks who are distinguished. i mean, this is a serious discussion. the question that's going to be, what if something happens? while all these people are having all these arguments, what if there is another boston marathon, another san bernardino, another, what, you pick the attack. >> jeffrey -- >> then what happens. >> but i mean -- >> and i can only tell you, president trump will be there to say i told you so. >> but jeffrey, i do know, well, as you know, many of these attacks, this ban wou

ceo of the naacp, jim sciutto, david gergen, and investigative reporter, jeffrey becarl bernst jeffrey lord. first, how big a setback is it for president trump that his latest pick for national security adviser has turned down the job? >> it's a big deal. this is a big job. national security adviser to the president of the united states, and trump appealed to someone, for whom duty is supreme. for all u.s. service member -- >> he's had an extraordinary military record, very close to general mattis. >> navy s.e.a.l., close to general mattis, who is, of course, already in the administration. and i'm told by people close to him, this was a difficult decision, between duty to his country, to people he served under before, but this conflict, because he looks at the white house and he sees, and i'm not going to use the colorful terms, this is a family program you have here, anderson, but he sees a white house that is in chaos. and that's not something that he wanted to be associated with. and to have that trump, the duty, which he has shown throughout his life and the many years of service, is si

joining us errol louis, david gregory, simone sanders and trump supporter jeffrey lord, who is also contributing editor at the american spectator magazine. david, it's interesting hearing steve bannon talking in front of a conservative organization which last year donald trump did not even attend. he was there the prior year, talking about economic nationalism, talking about populism. not necessarily traditional conservative ideas, but the party in many ways has been transformed. >> it has been transformed. and i still don't think we know yet, anderson, to what degree trump, bannon and others reshape conservatism. but i think cpac is a perfect example. this is a conservative group that was not with donald trump. conservatives were not with donald trump. and he's reclaimed the party. they're talking about reclaiming america. he has reclaimed the party and unified republicans. that was a huge part of his victory. and it's a huge part of his first month. i think an important barometer is a lot of noise, there is chaos, there has been mistakes made. does he retain support in those critical congressi

page pate, laura coats andkq jeffrey toobin, jeffrey lord, paul begala and elizabeth, and ken guch nelly i want to start with the legal mind. jeff, what do you make of the arguments you heard tonight? >> i know from painful experience how difficult it is to predict the results of any case based on oral argument. the real answer is we don't know. the judges were clearly giving both lawyers a hard time. i think on the standing issue whether washington has the right to bring this case, i think washington is in good shape there. on the merits, the bush appointee, judge clifton, seemed very kept cscent cal of whether was appropriate this stay. judge friedlad, the obama appoint appointee, seemed like she was sympathetic to the plaintiffs, washington state. and judge camby, the 85-year-old brother-in-law of walter mondale, was harder to read. i just don't know. >> what about the issue of standing? >> i thought washington made some compelling arguments about they had people who were going to be injured in some way by this ban. so they made a more co-he's i have argument than the doj. they didn't

house of lords holds its first debate on the government bill authorizing theresa may to begin the process of withdrawing from the european union. jeffrey'shief european economist is with me now. richard jones joins us on set. great to see you. let's look at what is happening with u.k. assets, the pound making substantial moves, up .5% or so. 124.68, pound-dollar. >> it is a bit of an abridged day because of the u.s. holiday, but one of the things i think investors are looking towards is we have mark carney's testimony to the treasury select committee. given the moves in sterling and the volatility we have seen, perhaps we should not be too surprised to get a bounce back today. for me, the key is looking at euro-sterling. we are still not able to get above that 86 level, an important technical level. 50, the debate beginning in lords is a big thing, but there is news low driving pound and u.k. assets. anna: article 50, this has been through the commons, now the house of lords with the threat of substantial changes to their role, should they decide to block it, seems to be the message from government. is this going to be headline risk arou