and jeffrey miller made up a cd or staff did. and also include a rack and are under the oh, with the permission of the commander their general sanchez event. can ren training sessions for the interrogators and the stafford upgrade person, or he transmitted the guantanamo techniques to the abil gradstaff. basically, the restraints were removed and they were told to get results. the thing that became so clear is that what united states was doing was not a secret. it was hidden in plain sight. it wasn't really until the photographs from abu ghraib were released, which were just, you know, the tip of the iceberg of what was actually happening. that people in this country began actually talking about it what we didn't know was exactly what to do. and if i had to recommend all over the recommend exactly the right course of action that we did exactly right for seen them all. not all of them i can differently whether one is 1600 of them. we've only seen up in about 20 maybe 30 is 1600 and they, they are the worst ones are. are the ones w

jeffrey rosen. -- former acting defense secretary christopher miller as well.so reports lawmakers were negotiations with john ratcliffe, former director of national intelligence, as well as former secretary of state mike pompeo. it's quite a list. joining me is former federal prosecutor and nbc legal analysts. what does it say to you that these high-profile trump officials have indeed started cooperating with the committee? some of these people running in there on january six. if so, what will they be able to offer the committee? >> whatever they know needs to be put on the record. it doesn't matter whether this. it is little things, what is the process for people getting to see the president? that would be good to know because a lot of crazies into the white house. how exactly did that work? even though it's not a 16 question, it's an important question that they need to know about. generally, the general louis roland investigations is, the more people you can nail down, especially people in politics or with some kind of motive, the more you can nail them down

miller. they've also spoken to eugene scalia, bill barr, jeffrey rosen, and the former treasury secretary stevmnuchin. that's new reporting that we were able to confirm today. many of these players could provide the committee information is about those conversations related to the 25th amendment. we know that was an active conversation in the days after january 6th. marc short, the former chief of staff to mike pence, said today on our air that those conversations never really went that far because there wasn't enough time to physically remove the former president from office. there was a weaker select in his administration by that point. but we also know the committee still reaching out to others, including the former director of national intelligence, john ratcliffe, who could be a key player in all this. radcliffe is someone that there was pressure being put on radcliffe from members of the house of representatives, scott perry, in particular to look into the activations of foreign interference in the election, that was not based in any evidence. and that they've also engaged with the former actin

we know they were done on jeffrey clark and john eastman, those are some of the indicators we can match. >> chris millerho was the acting secretary of defense on january 6th has made it clear now, we've learned he says trump is lying about ordering the national guard on the ready ahead of january 6. why is this significant, errol? >> it's significant in part because what donald trump has said in some of his followers had strongly suggested is that, well, this was a political demonstration that got out of hand. the president acted responsibly, the disturbance was quelled and that he was ready for it and he did everything that he was supposed to. the january 6th committee has painted a very different picture which is now being confirmed which is that allow there was abundant evidence that there could be violence, that there would be violence, there were these incendiary speeches delivered by the president and his followers at the rally, it turns out that there were no provisions made to put the national guard on alert and to defend the capitol. i mean, it's startling, it's stunning, it's completely -- wel

jeffrey clark. he is an unqualified individual who is a proponent of fake theories. he advocated overturning the election as the active attorney general. jason miller told the special committee that cipollone confronted the lawyer about the undemocratic theory that he peddled to trump. the vice president could stop the electoral count and essentially unilaterally decide the presidential election. do not forget that according to testimony already unearthed by the select committee, when his vice president, mike pence, did not go along with that un-american scheme that donald trump expressed, pence said that he deserved to be targeted by the mop. joining me now is a justice department reporter for the new york times. she is also an msnbc contributor. katie, good morning to you. we do not know what happened in that meeting. we. we have heard from one of the committee members that pat cipollone did not contradict prior testimony. i assume they mean cassidy hutchinson's testimony. >> correct. you are right. we do not know exactly what he said. the committee wants to hold this closely. if he contributed new information, if he had something that was explos

jeffrey clark, the justice department lawyer who tried to install himself as attorney general to do trump's bidding and kashyap patel. and the america first legal foundation is, wait for it, stephen miller make plaque farmers not allowed to get the money. former south carolina senator, jim demint. he ran the heritage foundation only to get the boost from being too close to trump. the cpi has close ties with version 2.0 of the tea party, house freedom caucus. co-founded by none other than mark meadows during his days in congress. several other members have been subpoenaed. jim jordan, scott perry and andy business. in other words, a lot more names that we'll likely to hear as the january 6th committee hearings continue. grid news say they have made an invertible clubhouse for insurrectionists. maggie, thank you for being here. social media producer shared this with the team and i was fascinated by it. i read it and reread it. talk about the cpi. who are they? what about this clubhouse that they're running in d.c.? >> thanks so much, joy. this is really a story about i would say the organization and the money that's been behind a lot of things that we've seen. in the lead up to january 6t