greg craig, you and then jeffrey rosen. >> all the clouds of a perfect storm are gathering. u've got a civil case. congressional investigations and criminal investigations. the clouds to the storm are certainly there on the horizon. >> jeffrey. >> a constitutional crisis is when ordinary and legal authorities don't provide the answers and there's violence on the streets of protest. and the supreme court can't decide it. and if the president were to pardon himself that could possibly lead to a constitutional crisis. >> gentlemen, thank you for being here. what are your thoughts? tweet me. i'll read some of during the course of this program. you can also visit me on my facebook page. kathryn what do you got? put something up there for me. the day after scaramucci is appointed and spicer resigns trump is full tweet storm mode. is this going to be the new normal? @smerconish. >> christine, what i'm thinking, he's saying it's the sales that's gone wrong here. and not the product. i know many of you will disagree with that assessment. yours truly including. give me another one. sme

speaking of the constitution center, our podcast is with james rosen -- jeffrey rosen. he is the president and ceo. jeffrey rosen is the president and ceo of the constitution center in philadelphia and we talk about our founders and the words that really shaped america. it can be heard on our website at www.c-span.org, c-span radio app and your apple podcast. we will open our phone lines. for democrats. democrats.-8000 for (202) 748-8001 for republicans. (202) 748-8002 for independents. >> live today, author, journalist and history professor herb boyd is our guest. >> i often draw parallels between new york and the short. look at the 1863 draft riots, a nice comparison between what was happening in new york at what was happening here in detroit, all for the same reasons. we talk about the black and irish community at each other's throats in terms of jobs and housing. 1943, onedown to the in parliament in 1943. go down tonight is extended, same kind of ink. and for the same conditions. -- go down into 1968 and the same kind of thing. crook says latest is "black detroit."

. >> jeffrey rosen, what happens if sessions leaves? either he resigns or he's fired, a new ag comes in, one who has not recused himself from the mueller probe and seeks to fire mueller. could he do so? >> yes, he has the constitutional legal authority to do so. the special prosecutor statute says the prosecutor has to be fired by the attorney general but the question is would he do it or be like elliott richardson, nixon's attorney general who resigned rather than firing the special prosecutor and then it was turtles all the way down until robert bourque carried out the act. if the new attorney general did fire mueller, would that be an impeachable offense, basically would the congress conclude that the president had ordered the attorney general to fire the special prosecutor with the corrupt motive of obstructing justice which is an impeachable offense and that would be up to congress to decide. >> greg craig, there was talk according to published reports of pardon powers within the white house. that seems to have been reported with a

this week our guest is jeffrey rosen, the president and c.e.o. of the national constitution center. check it out on our website at c-span dogg. tune in anywhere you find the apple podcasts or stitcher. we focus on what happened 241 years ago, the signing of the declaration of independence. it took place today, was approved on july fourth, but john adams said july 2 would be the day we remember. we also talk about the constitution. the sidebar is posted every friday, also airing on c-span radio. we hope you check it out. this from perry, oklahoma, republican line. good morning. aller: good morning. i'd just like to say i completely agree with the caller, two callers ago, the investigative journalists. i'm just glad we have them in their positions and the story from the national review seems like one big stretch to me. host: thank you. the reporting of jonathan tobin, taking former u.n. , nikki haley has made herself right at home, seeking out fearlessly on a range of issues -- host: if you're listening on c-span radio, this program carried live on sirius x.m., as well as the potus ch

[applause] i am jeffrey rosen, the president of this wonderful institution, which is the only institutionn america that brings together citizens of different perspectives to unite around this beautiful document of human freedom, the u.s. constitution. [applause] mr. rosen: freedom day is the highlight of our programming here at the national constitution center. it was launched on april 13, 2015 to further our inspiring mission and to encourage citizens around the country to celebrate and educate themselves and debate the meaning of freedom. mr. rosen: to acknowledge the visiting area founder of freedom day the woman who conceived of this great celebration and has made it a permanent part of the freida libby. [applause] mr. rosen: the first two years of freedom day brought together the leaders of america to debate the meaning of issues ranging of the future of religious freedom to the future of free speech. today we are gathered for a meaningful event. this year, freedom day launches a new two-year initiative that is going to be a centerpiece of our work. it is a national commission called

[applause] i also want to, again, thank the great jeffrey rosen for being our partner in this with the national constitution center. if you haven't been to philadelphia, we've done debates there. the center itself is spectacular. but as jeffrey also pointed out, the center goes far beyond philadelphia. it's a national organization. it's getting everywhere. los angeles is not that far a hop. and so you heard about the program coming up there. but keep an eye on the ncc. it's really going places, and it's great to be partner with them. i also want to -- i want to point out this about intelligence squared u.s. we're a nonprofit organization. we put these debates on, and then we release them for free to the public. as i mentioned, the podcast is out there. the public radio program is out there. we're in a lot of schools. a lot of schools now actually incorporate us as part of the curriculum, particularly in high schools and the upper grades of elementary school, and we're very, very proud of that. but i also want to say that we depend enormously on public support to continue that but i als

[applause] i also want to, again, thank the great jeffrey rosen for being our partner in this with the national constitution center. if you haven't been to philadelphia, we've done debates there. the center itself is spectacular. but as jeffrey also pointed out, the center goes far beyond philadelphia. it's a national organization. it's getting everywhere. los angeles is not that far a hop. and so you heard about the program coming up there. but keep an eye on the ncc. it's really going places, and it's great to be partner with them. i also want to -- i want to point out this about intelligence squared u.s. we're a nonprofit organization. we put these debates on, and then we release them for free to the public. as i mentioned, the podcast is out there. the public radio program is out there. we're in a lot of schools. a lot of schools now actually incorporate us as part of the curriculum, particularly in high schools and the upper grades of elementary school, and we're very, very proud of that. but i also want to say that we depend enormously on public support to continue that but i als

jeffrey. >> i think it's a legitimate question to ask, whether the president plans on firing the special counsel. he would have to get rod rosen stein, the justice department deputy attorney general who because of jeff sessions' recusal is in charge of the investigation, he would have to tell rosen stein to do it. rosen stein might refuse, quit, get fired, and they would have to work their way through the chain of command in the justice department, but it's not a frivolous concern on the part of mr. blumenthal. today is the day that the new fbi director nominee is going to have his confirmation hearings, and i know that several democratic senators are going to ask him about whether there will be independence in this investigation which, of course, also involves the fbi. so that's one clue to watch what's going on. >> we will have them on and we will ask them about that. >> there's a lesson for both sides. for the president and the republicans, don't call it a witch hunt. it clearly isn't. the president's own son just proved that. and on the democrats' side, don't go flying down the road of how bad the implications are. let the