a debate between two great economists, jeffrey sachs and kenneth rogoff. then, everyone is worried about an islamic takeover in egypt, about the imposition of sharia. well, we got to one of the leaders of the muslim brotherhood to ask what would they do if they did win the elections? >>> next up, germany and switzerland are shutting down their nuclear plants. what is the future of nuclear energy? i'll talk to the brilliant inventor nathan myrhvold about that and why america finds itself losing this race to innovate. we'll do more on innovation tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern and pacific in a special report with "time" magazine called "restoring the american dream: how to innovate." set your alarms, your dvrs, maybe even your vcr. but if you have a vcr, you're not being very innovative these days. >>> any ai, here's my take. all the talk in the united states and europe is about deficits and debt. in washington, the battle over the debt ceiling continues. but let me tell you about the real crisis we face in america, and europe has its own version of this, a cri

on my left and the left, i suppose s columbia university's jeffrey sachs. the other side of the table, harvard university's ken rogoff. welcome, gentlemen. jeff, when you look at these job numbers, if you do the math, we're creating about 250,000 jobs a quarter. that barely takes into account the new entrance to the labor market. i did a back of the envelope calculation, it will be 12 years before we get to 7% unemployment. >> of course, there is a lot of uncertainty right now but i think what is clear is the economy is dragging, unemployment is high and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future. of course, the headline unemployment number hides a lot of suffering of people that have withdrawn from the labor market or working only short hours because they have to. so, this economy is still sick. it is not showing dynamism and we have serious problems ahead. >> what do you do with this problem of unemployment? if the unemployment numbers don't go down, even the budget projections are all off, they assume -- the president's budget presu assumes we'll cre