the people who committed the crimes ought to be prosecuted. >> brown: jeffrey smith, your response? >> i see it very differently. he betrayed a trust. he had a trust to the united states when he made an open to serve his country and to not disclose classified information. but more fundamentally he had a trust in his fellow soldiers. the information that he released involved a lot of detail about our activities and iraq and afghanistan. to be sure, some of it was terrible, the machine gunning of civilians, that should never have happened. but he betrayed his trust and put their lives at risk and i think it was a fair trial and i believe he deserves to be punished. >> brown: mr. ratner, pick up on the trial itself. was it your sense as much as you could tell that he received a fair trial? >> well, i wouldn't really call it a fair trial. we had a year until we could getting access to the information. i sat there in plato's cave. you couldn't tell what was going on. it took us a year of litigation to get that out. i think he was overcharged tremendously. aiding the enemy which, of cours

smith. also joining us, jeffrey toobin, marcia clark, prosecutor in the o.j. simpson trial and author of a new novel. doctor, let me start with you and play a little bit more of what we heard from the medical examiner. and then we'll discuss. >> it's your position that interest are at least three impacts between that head and cement? >> yes. concrete. >> concrete. >> however, and you said it sort of consistent so i'm going to walk through it. i'm not going to use pictures now, let's just chat about it. i think you used the suggestion that if you hit yourself in the nose, it could be all one shot, correct? >> one blow, correct. >> you're not suggests that it was only one blow, correct if. >> no, but consistent with. >> you say consistent with to minimize the number of shots it could possibly be, correct? >> not minimize but if you gave me another scenario, i could look at that scenario and see if it's consistent. >> let me give that you scenario. he gets hit in the nose like this, just like that but it does not go up here. so here is the first shot and here's t

smith, abc7 news. >>> 11 years after his death a firefighter killed in the 9/11 attacks at new york's world trade center have been identified. the remains of 37-year-old lieu lieutenant jeffrey walls were collected in 2002. they were retested and identified only recently. walls followed his dad's example and became a firefighter in 1992. he was killed in the north tower leaving behind a wife and baby son. >>> the italian team in america's cup pulled out of the official race claiming the design changes to their boat are unfair. the team made the threat to pull out and at issue is the recommended design changes imposed by the regatta director for safety reasons. they are appealing to an international jury scheduled to meet on monday. the reaction was swift and blunt. >> i just think it is babyish. they are acting like a bunch of spoiled babies. >> you are all men. you spent over a billion dollars. you should be in the water racing. >> the italians also pulled out of the team store where cup merchandise is sold and they couldn't sell their products, prada handbags. it is not part of their team gear. that bickers won't help. >> not at all. >>> windy today so they couldn't take p

smith, abc7 news. >>> 11 years after his death a firefighter killed in the 9/11 attacks at new york's world trade center have been identified. the remains of 37-year-old lieu lieutenant jeffrey walls were collected in 2002. they were retested and identified only recently. walls followed his dad's example and became a firefighter in 1992. he was killed in the north tower leaving behind a wife and baby son. >>> the italian team in america's cup pulled out of the official race claiming the design changes to their boat are unfair. the team made the threat to pull out and at issue is the recommended design changes imposed by the regatta director for safety reasons. they are appealing to an international jury scheduled to meet on monday. the reaction was swift and blunt. >> i just think it is babyish. they are acting like a bunch of spoiled babies. >> you are all men. you spent over a billion dollars. you should be in the water racing. >> the italians also pulled out of the team store where cup merchandise is sold and they couldn't sell their products, prada handbags. it is not part of their team gear. that bickers won't help. >> not at all. >>> windy today so they couldn't take p

smith, abc7 news. >>> 11 years after his death a firefighter killed in the 9/11 attacks at new york's world trade center have been identified. the remains of 37-year-old lieu lieutenant jeffrey walls were collected in 2002. they were retested and identified only recently. walls followed his dad's example and became a firefighter in 1992. he was killed in the north tower leaving behind a wife and baby son. >>> the italian team in america's cup pulled out of the official race claiming the design changes to their boat are unfair. the team made the threat to pull out and at issue is the recommended design changes imposed by the regatta director for safety reasons. they are appealing to an international jury scheduled to meet on monday. the reaction was swift and blunt. >> i just think it is babyish. they are acting like a bunch of spoiled babies. >> you are all men. you spent over a billion dollars. you should be in the water racing. >> the italians also pulled out of the team store where cup merchandise is sold and they couldn't sell their products, prada handbags. it is not part of their team gear. that bickers won't help. >> not at all. >>> windy today so they couldn't take p