and joining us now in the studio is jeffrey stone from the university of chicago school of law. of five members of the review group that wrote the report, great to have you with us. >> thanks for inviting me ray. great to see. >> you was this tougher than you had expected getting in to it? >> it was extremely tough. i spent basically three days every week in d.c. and we were in a secure facility. because we all had top secret security. we were meeting 10, 12 hours a day even when i was back in chicago the only time i could work on it was in the fbi secure facility so i couldn't work it on at home or in the office so it was very tough. very demanding. i learned a tremendous. a great experience. >> a lawyer you familiar with the reasonable person stand standard and how in law we sometimes talk about this theoretical person when they look at a situation and what their common sense reaction would be. did you try to bring that head to looking at the work of our nation's security apparatus? >> absolutely. but part what have made this experience i think both so personally rewarding, bu

we are joined from chicago by jeffrey stone, professor of law at the university of chicago and one of the five men's chts president's nsa panel that gave the president friction recommendations on how to change the intelligence agency in a way that would protect the privacy and the civil liberties of the american people. jeff great to have you on the show. how far do you expect president obama to go? as we said 46 recommendations, how many do you expect will be implemented? >> well i hope he imlelts the vast majority of-- implements the vast majorities of them. i don't have any inside information on that. my guess is he will adopt the vast majority. i'm pretty confident of that. >> which ones do you think are most important? >> as far as the american public, the section 216 metadata, the one in which nsa collects phone records of american citizens and then it utilizes that information when it has reasonable grounds to believe that a particular phone number belongs to a terrorist, then queries that database to see whom that terrorist may be speaking with. it is obviously gathering up a

we're joined from chicago by jeffrey stone, professor of law at the university of chicago, and gave the president 46 recommendations on how to change the intelligence agency in a way that would protect the privacy and civil liberties of the american people. great to have you on the show. how far you do expect president obama to go? how many will he implement? >> i hope he implements the vast majority. my guess is he will adopt the vast majority. >> which ones do you see as being the most important. >> in terms of the american public the section 215 is the one that got the most attention. the one where the nsa collects phone call records of american citizens, and utilizes that information when it has reasonable grounds to believe that a particular phone number belongs to a terrorist. but then yearries that david beckham to see whom that terrorist may be speaking with. that was controversial because it gathers up a huge amount of information, and our recommendations basically call for a number of changes in the program that are designed to enable and continue to serve the purpose that it

another person who was actually the one who hired -- jeffrey stone who hired obama as a law professor back at chicago. his judgment was that we should end the bulk collection. he overruled that collection because i believe he has been corrupted by his office right now, not because his judgment was worse. i think edward snowden is the one person -- >> taking action because he needs to protect the country? >> i think he needs to reassure the people that have now gotten information that he refused to give them, in fact he may not have known in detail. i don't think the nsa has been terribly forthcoming for all we know to the president about whether they broke the law. it took fisa court judges, in their ability, they do not have the technical ability to investigate that i have said here about kurt leavy's recommendations. is it shocking that a 29-year-old to take his life in his hands to tell us this, not really, that's the way humanity works, that's the way governments work. knowledge is power. secret knowledge of other people's secrets is power. and power corrupts. even americans. >> t

another person who was actually the one who hired jeffrey stone who hired obama as a law professor back at university of chicago. his t judgment was that he should edged the collection. he overruled the judgment because i think he has been corrupted by his office right now. not because his judgment in general is worse. >> not because you -- you think he is taking action because he needs to protect the country? >> i think he needs to reassure the people who have now gotten information that he refused to give them. and in fact, he may not have known in detail. i don't think the nsa has been terribly forth coming from all we have heard to the president. about where they have broke 10 law. it took five court judges to report that in their limited ability, and they do not have the technical capability to investigate that i have recommended here on the basis of curt leavey's recommendation investigation o. it is a sad situation that it takes a 29-year-old of great intelligence and great conscience and great proposal to take his life in his hands to tell us this? not really. that's the way hum

. >> jeffrey stone is a professor of law at the university of chicago.a member of the five-person nsa review panel appointed by the president and he joins us now. >> hi, milissa. >> hello. the president laid out a laundry list of changes. are you satisfied there will be more transparency at this point? >> absolutely. i think the president's speech framed the issue very well, endorsed a number of very important reforms and suggested many other reforms will be in the wings. yes, i think this is a major step forward although as he said it's only the beginning. >> your panel made 46 recommendations. did the president's plan cover all of those? >> no, not in the speech, certainly. we've talked to the president about them. and my expectation is that when all the dust settles, we will wind up implementing the vast majority. but the speech focused only on a handful of issues that have been generated most in the public eye. >> the president made a distinction between meta data and content of phone calls. what's the difference between the two and what is their imp

the five members of this the acting cia clarke,, richard jeffrey stone of the university of chicago, and a privacy law professor at the georgia institute of technology. issued 46 recommendations. the first one is on section 215, which we talked about earlier. 215ecommend that section should be amended to authorize the surveillance court to issue a in order compelling a third-party to disclose private information about individuals thatif -- one, it finds the government has reasonable grounds to believe that particular information is relevant. or, two, the order is reasonable in focus, scope, and breadth. they recommend that statutes that offer national security letters should be amended to permit issuance only upon a judicial finding that the government has reasonable grounds to believe that the information is relevant and intended to protect against clandestine intelligence activities. those are the top two recommendations of the 46. we will go through a couple more. rodney is calling from missouri. hello. thatr: i would like to say , our constitution does not say anything about priv

richard clark, morrell, the former head of cia, another person who was actually the one who hired jeffrey stone, who hired obama as a law profess auerbach at chicago -- >> the university of chicago. >> that he should end the bulk collection. he overruled that judge. he's being cruxed b corrupted bs office. -- >> you think the president of the united states is taking action because he thinks he needs to protect the country? >> he needs to say this he refuse today give them the information. in fact, he may not have known no detail. i don't think the nsa has been terribly forthcoming from all that we have heard about the president about whether they broke the law, it took fisa court judge to his report in their limited ability, and they do not have the technical capability to investigate that i have recommended here on the basis of kirk's recommendations. what i am saying is it a sad situation that it takes a 2090-year-old of great intelligence and great conscious and great patriotism to take his life in his hands to tell us this? not really. that's the way human and governments work. knowledge is