joining me now, molly bald, jeffrey tuben. steven, i want to start with you tonight.from kelly sadler, a white house official on a conference call with congressional press secretaries, he's dying anyway, about senator john mccain, someone who served this country for so very long. it's indefensible. i've had policy disagreements with john mccain. but this guy is one of the true great american heroes of our time. i'm sure kelly didn't mean what she said. it is true that john mccain did cast the vote that would have led to the repeal of obamacare. i think he was mistaken in doing that. there are some hard feelings about that. one or two republicans voted no. he's a great american hero, and his -- the truth is, his opinion on these issues of -- interrogation are important because he went through that in vietnam. >> so should the white house just say, i'm sorry? >> absolutely. >> they haven't said it 37. >> they haven't. yeah. >> they should. >> yeah. >> i agree with parts of what steven just said, they -- yes, they should apologize as you just said, but it is -- it is bey

. >> jeffrey tuben, you constantly note what appears on other cable networks. >> there were comments on other cable networks. >> i'm an avid watcher of other cable networks. >> there was an analyst who questioned the patriotism of john mccain and noted he cracked under torture. which isn't true. do you see this tone permeating elsewhere? >> yeah, i think we should talk more about donald trump's war heroism. i think it is -- look, this is -- the whole thing is disgusting, and the idea that this didn't come from the top is absurd. >> i mean, you know, where did this flunk can i get this idea to mock john mccain? because the president mocks john mccain, i mean, come on, it's just like -- it's why do we pretend otherwise. >> this isn't just mocking john mccain, which the president has done before. >> this is mocking a man who's very, very sick. who's home in arizona battling brain cancer. i guess it seems to me, and i understand what paul is suggesting. politically speaking the white house can't apologize here, because it would open them up to past comments the white house has made. they