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john: thank you, jeffrey tucker.t americans might not like his argument, most think our national borders are sacrosanct, mostly because people got drunk. with we return, my next guest will explain. that . john: most americans say it's important to protect our borders. except why is our border where it is? why is this town part of mexico or that town is part of texas or arizona. who decided where america ends and mexico or canada begins? turns out that many of our borders are where they are for bizarre reasons, especially state borders. audience, do any of you know why texas voluntarily gave up the panhandle as part of oklahoma? >> no. john: okay, or why the tennessee-kentucky border, pretty flat generally but has this little blip in it, why is that? i didn't know either until the author of the book lost states explained our strange history to me. the author is michael trinkline, they're not logically prepared the borders. >> they are silly, most of them. john: texas gave up property to oklahoma, why? >> it wanted to

jeffrey tucker of the foundation for economic education says the border should be wide open now. so instead of calling for more walls whenever you can, just open it up? are you nuts? >> john, it's not working, the war on immigration is not working, a practical ban and look at the consequences, people don't have legal ways to immigrate, we have an illegal immigration problem. no different from the bootleggers in prohibition, people want to use the government and the rights to do things, the government figures out a way to stop them. there will be no ceiling in the border. i'd like to see us go the other way, chill and open the borders like it was in the past. >> by the past, really the 1800s, we went through years of completely open borders and built the most prosperous society in the world. john: i understand half your argument, and clearly people want to come here and they can't. we have the lotteries, they get 100 applicants for every one, if you want to come here legally and you're an indian computer programmer, you wait on average 35 years. >> that's the computer programmers,