jeh johnson joins now.u call for an emmett till moment, what exactly are the images you want americans to see in the aftermath of a mass shooting? >> let me be clear. i believe we need a game changer here to change the political dynamithat you noted. i do not have the moral standing or legitimacy to say to a parent, likely parent you just testify, you shoul displ the images of your dea child. i do not have the moral legitimacy to do that. i do know that lawmakers in congress who, through their inaction, fail to do anything about this, need to be brought closer to the tragedy. they need to have brought home to them how terrible assault weapon are on the body of a child. why should a 10-year-old who went to robb elementary school bare eyewitness to this tragedy, covering herself in blood, and will have go to grief counseling for the rest of her life because of what s shaw -- she saw? yet lawmakers who let this continue are spared, are spared the same images. so i think it is important that lawmakers in partic

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. >>> also incredible expertise joining us now, jeh johnson, former secretary of homeland security during the obama administration, former pentagon official. the tulsa police chief detailing how this happened, how this happened so quickly. the gunman purchasing these weapons just before the killing, an hour or so before, the ar-15 and days before the smith & wesson semiautomatic. i want to highlight for our viewers something that "60 minutes" played, this clip replayed this past sunday. the extraordinary impact of one of these ar-15s that was also used in sandy hook, that was also used in uvalde on their victims. the speed and the multiple rounds but also the impact of the shots. let's watch. >> this is a .9 millimeter gun which we captured in slow motion. it traveled 800 miles an hour. it sliced nearly straight all the way through the gel. >> a little louder. >> now, look at the ar-15 round. >> see the difference? >> yes. it's three times faster and struck with more than twice the force. the shockwave of the bullet blasted a large cavity in the gel, unlike the bullet from the handgun. >>

and former dhs secretary jeh jeh johnson on with this means about how close we came to successful coup. then, some surprise arrests of an alleged coup plotter. >> it intercepted me getting on the plane. they put me in handcuffs. brought me here. >> and ari melber on what we know about the rest of peter navarro and what it means for the criminal investigation of the president. >> we had over 100 congressmen and senators on capitol hill ready to implement -- >> do you realize you are describing a coup? >> that's when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. the ex president of the united states, donald trump, created such an acute security threat to his own vice president, mike pence, in pursuit of his attempted coup, that pence's chief of staff warned the secret service on january 5th that he thought that the vp would be in danger the next day. >> this newest reporting comes from the new york times. it breaks just days before the bipartisan committee investigating the 60 set to be begin its public hearings, with even more revelations short to come. we have k

joining me now former homeland security secretary under president obama jeh johnson. this dhs bulletin does warn of the possibility of violence, talks about, you know, copy cats from uvalde and other mass shootings, talks about disinformation or surrounding elections, talks about domestic extremists acting up before the midterms and then possible violence around the supreme court decision. how serious do you see this? >> a bulletin is a lot to digest as you just implied. let me try to read between the lines here because i used to write these when i was secretary of homeland security. so dhs is giving us the general threat picture, the threat environment, it is then saying this is what we, dhs and the fbi are doing about it, and this is what you the public can do. this statement talks about the more traditional foreign-inspired acts of potential terrorism, it talks about upcoming events and it talks about mass shootings, personal grievances. that encompasses uvalde, it encompasses buffalo so there is a lot to digest. the common thread through all of this is a warning t

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. >>> and a new op ed, the former homeland security secretary jeh johnson argues in order for change to happen, we need an emmett till moment. he writes in part this. i'm quoting here. i lack the moral standing to tell a parent to accept and approve for the greater good the public display of photos of his or her dead child, nor do i suggest the release of something in particular, butting? graphic is required to awaken the public to the real horror of these repeated tragedies. joining us now is a pediatric trauma surgeon at cohen children's medical center in new york. he serves as director for the center of gun violence prevention. thank you for being here. this is an important discussion. you do so much work. you're in service in so many ways and have great experience. what do you think about what the secretary there wrote about this idea of people seeing with their own eyes what it looks like, a gunshot wound in a child? do people need to see what you see? >> 100 %. this has been something that we've been seeing as physicians, trauma surgeons, for decades. right? we are talking righ

secretary jeh johnson. an update on the morn ukraine. joining me now is abc's ali arouzi. ali arouzi. ali, what is the latest on the ground? >> good evening, reverend. as you know, the luhansk area is the industrial heartland of ukraine. and the russians are bringing it to the ground. the focus of their attacks for the last several weeks now have been on the eastern front. they have concentrated most of those attacks on two towns. severodonetsk, which is the capital of the luhansk region, and its twin town on the other side of the riverbank, lychee sank's. if the battle for these two cities, that's with it's shaping the outcome of this war. that is why you are seeing such intense street fighting in severodonetsk. house by house, the ukrainian commanders are saying that the only time there is a low in the shelling is when the russians are reloading their weapons. it is with those shelves that the russians have taken out two bridges connecting severodonetsk and let's see shanks, and now they're targeting a third bridge to the ukrainian -- silicone cranes cannot get arms, amm

jeh johnson wrote an op-ed in "the washington post" calling for what he deemed an emmett till moment.uired to awaken the public to the real horror of these repeated tragedies. why must innocent school children for the rick sest of t lives carry the executions of their teachers and classmates while federal and state lawmakers who elected them are spared. do you think it's going to take something like that to spark real change? what's more horrific than what happened in new town and what happened in uvalde? >> i wish i could say, having st studied this for a long time that there was one thing that could wake people up. certainly as the shootings become more horrific and graphic, even if we don't see the absolute details, i'm torn about that to be honest. what more evidence do you need than elementary school kids killed in their own classrooms. what we see is a reflection of not popular at ttitudes most people agree something should be done and agree what they are, background checks, red flag laws, tracking high risk. the problem isn't about people's atti attitudes. it's about the gridlo

. >> doug, recently the former head of homeland security, jeh johnson, said the united states may need another emmett till moment to show the real horrors of mass shootings. should laulmakers and the american people see the real consequences of inaction? is that what's going to take to get them to do something substantive? >> wow. that was pretty strong. i read jeh's comments. and we saw that happen with emmett till. i mean, there are things that i think that have been shown across the world in different places. we just saw i think it was an anniversary of the vietnam picture of the young girl running down the street with no clothes on, running down the road after the napalm. i mean, those are powerful images. and it may very well be to take that, it is so easy -- and i found as i alawyer sometimes it is so easy to distance yourself from what's going on, to see something happening on television. when i tried the church bombing cases, don, we didn't use the photographs of the little girls but what i did do was i let the jury hold the shoes of one of those little girls that died in that

appreciate it. >> and want to bring in jeh johnson. secretary, how alarming are these connections between the oathkeepers and the proud boys, the fact that there was that meeting in the garage right under where we're sitting now, that they were planning, talking to each other. both of those groups now have been charged with seditious conspiracy to overthrow the government. so very serious felony charge, at least that accusation. what do we know about the way that homeland and doj and other agencies track these extremist groups? >> dhs through its bulletins has been increasingly sounding the alarm about these groups. i have to say, and this goes back to the discussion that you were having a moment ago, i recall vividly the moment after that debate, that presidential debate ended and there was such explicit discussion of the prod boys, proud boy membership was going to soar right after that and it did in fact. what i heard last night from that hearing, and here i'm in my role as former federal prosecutor which i was over 30 years ago, th

secretary, jeh johnson, thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you. >>> coming up, another key official in uvalde, texas is dodging cnn's questions about the school shooting. stand by. we have details. ions to help you engage and retain top performers today, so youou can have more succes tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪ the unknown is not empty. it's a storm that crashes, and consumes, replacing thought with worry. but one thing can calm uncertainty. an answer. uncovered through exploration, teamwork, and innovation. an answer that leads to even more answers. mayo clinic. you know where to go. right now, we're all feelin' a little strapped. but weekends are still all about grilling. and walmart always keeps prices low on our fresh ingredients. so you can save money and live better. ♪ dad, when is the future? um, oh wow. um, the future is, uh, what's ahead of us. i don't get it. yeah. maybe this will help. so now we're in the present. and now... we're in the future. the all-electric chevy bolt euv with available super cruise™ for hands-free driving. - dad. - yeah? do

it has come up everywhere in my life, i have been raising this, and now jeh johnson, the former headeal shock to the system, all of this is now white noise for people, and what would be the shock of the system, an emmett till moment, open casket funerals for the kids who have been shot, pictures widely disseminated, people have to know what an ar-15 does shot 6 feet away from the face of a 9-year-old. that's the only kind of shock that would work and this has prompted debate about what would have to happen. it happened with emmett till. do you think that's, a, necessary, and b feasible. >> it's an interesting question. jeh johnson, is such a by nature prudent and moderate character. >> sober character. >> it's an extraordinary suggestion. you have all kinds of issues of you wouldn't do this unless the parents agreed, for instance, but we should talk about children. >> which of course emmett till's mother did. open casket was her choice. >> i thought that was an interesting thing, and indeed, i think the kind of reticence of democrats on all kinds of issues, this one among them, to go

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i go bacand i think i side with former homeland security secretary jeh johnson who ote an op-ed where what, we need to see, we need see the bodies. we need to see this for the very reason you were talking about, in order to shock the contry, not in a prurient way but in a way that says, we st do something here. go back to mamie till. her son, emmett till, was lynched, totally disfigured in mississippi. and she decided, you know what, the world, the nation needs to see what they did to my child. when she did that, as shocking as it was, it advanced the cause of civil rights in this country. i would not want to be a parent that would have to decide whether that is a choice i would want to make. but if a child -- i'm sorry, if a parent were to do that, were to have the courage and the heroism to say, i want the nation and the world to see what an ar-15 did to my child, i would support that parent 1000%. i'm just rendered speechless by >>> i am just rendered speechless but even having to talk about this, but i don't know what else can be done to just get any kind of action to protect fami

. >> what jeh johnson, think you so much for making some time tonight. i really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that does it for all in for this week. msnbc prime starts right now with mehdi hasan. good evening mehdi. >> good evening. and thank you, chris. and that's to atone for joining us this hour. happy friday. so the year was 1996. president bill clinton was running for reelection. two years earlier, republicans have taken over the house of representatives for the first time in over 40 years. so democrats were focused on every single how see they could possibly win back. one seat they had their eye on was in southern california. it was their candidate for that seat, speaking at the 1996 democratic convention. see if he looks familiar. >> it's a great honor to be here tonight. and i'm proud to be -- for san diego's 49th congressional district. make no mistake, there are big differences between we, democrats, and our opponents. and to gather, with president clinton, we will protect medicare and social security, and a woman's right to choose. we will b

then, secretary of the department of homeland security, jeh johnson said, the designation makes it clear that domestically and internationally that election infrastructure enjoys all of the benefits and protections of critical infrastructure that the u.s. government has to offer. that is why i've asked the federal government to activate the defense production act, that ensures paper suppliers prioritize election related materials ahead of november's election. i believe there are other innovative ways to ensure ample supply for state and local jurisdictions including the use of tax incentives to urge paper suppliers to prioritize election based supplies. the persistent supply chain issues are affecting other aspects of our election administration efforts, especially as it relates to the transportation of election supplies and machines. in 2021, the vehicle shortage forced louisiana to seek delivery trucks in states as far away as georgia. with four months remaining until the federal 45 yield ballot deadline and less than six months until election day, there can be no delay for action. add

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