stay with us. >>> former homeland security secretaries jeh johnson and michael chertoff.ke being able to have you both here because you both dealt with a very hard problem set. so, a lot of people have opinions but you actually know what it's like to be in the job. let me give you a really hard one, which is what to do about the southern border. in the last year, 2.5 million migrants, roughly, have been encountered. that's a record high. the governor of texas is boasting he sent more than 13,000 immigrants to new york, to chicago, to washington and now to philadelphia, where bus loads arrived this week. secretary chertoff, these migrants have legal status because they're going through asylum. are the asylum laws too generous in this country?

. >>> plus, former homeland security secretaries jayoe jeh johnson and michael chertoff on what the publican do to stem the violence and prepare our immigration for a change at the southern border. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >>> good morning. welcome to "face the nation." for many americans, thanksgiving felt almost normal this year. but a year after the deadly surge of covid's omicron variant, we're not out from under the virus just yet. the cdc says a new covid variant of concern, xbb has surfed. on the other side of the world, china is reporting a fourth daily record of new covid infections as an unprecedented wave of protests ripples across the country. residents from shanghai to beijing are taking to the streets in anger over china's zero covid policies that have kept much of the country under pandemic quarantine for years. those restrictions are weighing on the global supply chain. we begin this morning in the u.s. with the danger posed by three respiratory viruses. we spoke with president biden's chief medical adviser earlier and asked him about the risks for people

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joining me now is jeh johnson, former department of homeland security, former head of the -- secretaryomeland security during the obama administration and before that top official at the pentagon. first of all, what message does it is send that so many of the prominent election deniers running for governor lost? >> first, i'm sorry i'm not there in person. i'm in covid quarantine in new jersey. i'm sorry i'm not there, particularly because you are at 30 rock across from my office. i'm feeling fine. i will be out and about in a couple of days. fine, out in a couple days. andrea n answer to your question, if history is a guide, what happened yesterday falls far short of republican expectations, and whether the republicans eek out a majority in the house and senate, my hope is that what comes out of this is republican office holders, republican politicians, those who are running on a republican line, conclude that the trump-lauren boebert style of being outrageously offensive in politics is going out of style, is running out of steam, is something maybe we need to rethink. mocking victims

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>>> former homeland security secretaries jeh johnson and michael chertoff. gentlemen, i like being able to have you both here because you both dealt with a very hard problem set. so, a lot of people have opinions but you actually know what it's like to be in the job. let me give you a really hard one, which is what to do about the southern border. in the last year, 2.5 million migrants, roughly, have been encountered. that's a record high. the governor of texas is boasting he sent more than 13,000 immigrants to new york, to chicago, to washington and now to philadelphia, where bus loads arrived this week. secretary chertoff, these migrants have legal status because they're going through asylum. are the asylum laws too generous in this country? >> well, i mean, we can certainly take a look at the asylum laws but we obey the international law and now we have the issues of ukrainians fleeing with the war going on in ukraine. one of the things the administration has done, which i think is helpful, is they've moved the evaluation process down to those agents who

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former homeland security secretary jeh johnson said the political climate today is at least as combustible as it was in the 1960s. listen to what he said. >> i'm a child of the 1960s. as you'll recall, within a five-year period from june 1963 to june 1968, we lost to as is nation, med gar evers, malcolm x, marlin luther king. john and robert kennedy. i think this environment we're in now is as at least as combustible as the mid 1960s. it's a miracle that no members of congress was seriously injured on january 6th. it should not require someone to die before our leaders who command a microphone, who have a voice, get together and decide we need to take the temperature down. >> he's exactly right. it should not take it. and you have sitting republican and democratic lawmakers, debbie dingle, susan collins, so many more warning someone is going to die. >> i think people, they need to be more adamant, which is a conversation that we had yesterday, adamant about violence. there shouldn't be so much what aboutism about what is happening that shouldn't be both sides. it does happen on both sides

which gets to the risk, the risk we saw on january 6th that the united states capitol that this is jeh johnsoneland security director said the risk is politicians lie, people believe them and then some people take it to an extreme. >> arizona is the focal point right now and people really do listen to their leaders. people really do listen to those with the microphone, those with the public voice and those who tap into suspicion, conspiracy theories, grievance are playing with fire and do among the deranged within us, who live within us make violence inevitable in my view. >> i mean, that's the risky part, again, for those who say that'll never happen we have the living breathing example of january 6th right here in this town at the united states capitol. again, there is a difference between citizens who believe things that are not true, they have every right to do that even though it's not factually correct but johnson is correct that if you talk to people at homeland security that's who they worry about, people who get ginned up and welcomed off the fringe. >> arizona, there was fear that th

jeh also injured. among the dead, 39-year-old brian pendleton, who was described as having a big heart. 22-year-old tyneka johnsonwho family members say was working to get her first car and apartment. her aunt agonizes today over the threat tyneka likely didn't ovet anticipate. >> they don't teach you what to do if it's your manager. you know, she didn't see that coming. she didn't see a threat from him. from >> reporter: the investigation will stretch through the thanksgiving holiday. authorities are still working to determine a motive. today, chesapeake's city managee l encouraged residents in the latest home to a mass shooting to stay strong. >> i know that we're going through very, very difficult days today and in the daysays te ahead. but we will get through this. >> reporter: bing was not dressed in camouflage, nor did he have a ballistic vest on. things that we often see in these mass shooting coing to police, in ci clothing.othing. he came to work to he came to work to his job here as an overnight manager. he had been an employee of walmart for more than a decade.a jericka. >> duncan: so many chilling det