joining us now is jeh johnson, who served as secretary of homeland security in the obama administration. i mean, it's so cynical for the former president to be saying you don't need a border bill when he was president, he continually said i'm looking for a border bill. i'm looking for a big border bill. >> yes. it is. and, anderson, this is why people, americans should really be disgusted with washington right now. let's call them out. house republicans following trump's lead would rather complain about the problem than take the opportunity to solve the problem. this bill that james lankford and chris murphy have negotiated is the most pro-border security bill in modern times. usually when we talk about comprehensive immigration reform, there is something in it for everybody. on the right, on the left, opportunity for path to citizenship, take care of the daca kids on the left. the role of the administration has been to fend off the worst of the worst in negotiating this deal. there is a lot of good things in this bill in my judgment, addressing the asylum laws. i've said multiple times

if jeh johnson saying 1000 per day is a bad day, why on earth would be agree to 5000 a day or 8500 aay? that is crisis level for the border patrol agent. we should not be even discussing it, let alone putting that into codifying that. in terms of cruel, this is a go to tools of the biden administration is using. the obama administration used it well. it is intended to be rarely used, or someone who doesn't have time to get a visa. urgent need. emergency surgery or someone who is about to testify in a criminal case, they don't have time to get a visa. it is typically rarely used, and that is how congress intended one reason we know that is congress did not authorize work permits for parolees. and yet this is ministration is handing out parole at a mass scale. tens of thousands for four nationalities and other groups as well, and giving them work permits. these are full for had time to apply for a visa, and this administration is violating that part of the statute. host: so we talked about the contours of the deal. is this something that you think is worth doing, because we furthered s

jeh johnson and barack obama used title viii. it is the aliens nationality a act.d caught and deported millions of illegal aliens and they didn't need congress to give them any of these newfangled special powers that biden's requesting. i think it is borderline treasonous what this guy has done. he has subverted the territorial integrity of this country. he has put our national security at risk. he is facilitating human trafficking with the drug cartels. these surrendering the war on drugs. he lost almost 100,000 kids. and then he lied about it and said everything is great. and now they want our help, the republicans? this is what this is like. this is like my wife makes a mess of the house. and she says, jesse, i need you to help me clean it up. i said, why? you made the mess. and her version of cleaning up is just sweeping everything under the rug. why would i participate in that when that doesn't really solve the problem? i'll just wait 24 hours when the professional shows up who knows how to clean -- trump -- and that will do the job. clean house. >> dana: solv

but any, you know, allowing people to come over if you remember jeh johnson the homeland security secretary. but i want to go back to januarn the president gets in office. proclamation emergency. building massive war that spans the southern border is not a serious policy solution. it's a waste of money diverts attention from genuine throats homeland security it. shall be the policy of my administration that no more american taxpayer dollars be diverted to constructing a border wall. it went on to reverse the remain in mexico policy as well as establish the catch and release policy. >> biden's fundamental problem is he asking for a congressional solution to a problem indicated by the executive. and while his rhetoric has changed. now he is trying to play tough on the border. where is the action? bret, i have been looking for the pen and the phone. progressive presidents always say they had a pen and phone to impose liberal policies. why doesn't biden find a pen and a phone to correct the problem at the southern border. >> bret: we will follow negotiations at the southern border. panel, thank

and you mentioned when lucas was talking, and it's such a great point, what did jeh johnson say, formersident obama? pete: yeah. carley: 1,000 is a bad day -- pete: 1,000 a day. carley: 4,000 is a crisis. this would be 5,000 just catch and release into the united states every single day before the shutdown trigger goes into effect. will: just practically, logistically it would be, like, get there early -- pete: yeah. you're exactly right. will: how does that work? does the line start at midnight? when does the clock restart the every day? pete: it's a great question. carley: the remain in mexico policy that president biden could do right now, but he would never do that, of course. will: the united states department is pausing funding to the relief and work agency as 12 staff orers have been fired for allegedly taking part in the october 7th hamas attacks. s this is one of the worst kept scents in the international community, the connections between unrwa rah, as i think it's said, and anti-israel and, in fact, support for hamas. carley: yeah yeah. florida florida all of these, so many o

jeh johnson, president of obama's former dhs secretary previously said that 1000 encounters per day overwhelms the system. on secretary mayorkas's watch, encounters have never averaged less than 3000 per day, even going as high as 12,000 per day. just a few days ago, internal cdp numbers linked to the media showed another 302,000 encounters at the southwest border, by far an all-time record, that is nearly enough people to fill the rose bowl three times in just one month. in addition to these catastrophic numbers, the record 1.8 million have got away, individual patrol agents slip across the border but are not apprehended in large part because the cartels overwhelm the agents with large groups of coyote, paid and escorted migrants, the agency them and they count them but they cannot apprehend them. but the numbers are most certainly far worse. as agents are moved across sites, to progress -- process migrants, there are no agents present to count the getaways, the number of unknown getaways is no doubt enormous. thousands of agents have been pulled off the front lines to process and release int

. >> jeh johnson, who ran the department of homeland security under obama once said a thousand coming across our southern border is a crisis, neil. how can you suddenly acknowledge and why would any member of congress, republican or democrat suggest now that it's okay to have 5,000 or less coming across your southern border? neil: so as it stands now with even the rumored numbers you've heard, congressman, and i guess you are on the same page as speaker johnson, this is unacceptable as it stands. >> well i have a different job than the speaker and what i would tell you is if you're giving the president additional parole authority to admit up to 50,000 more people a year, if you're doing the 5,000-plus one on the border over a certain period of time and giving them discretion, if you aren't ending catch and release, if you aren't restoring remain in mexico, i'm going to have a very difficult time getting the votes that are necessary, even if it comes to the floor. neil: but isn't this , congressman, something that even donald trump wanted? some of the other issues that might be address

i wasn't homeland security jeh johnson was a deputy he was the u.s. attorney and los angeles.is not by accident this is by design icon the architects of destruction. 8 million encounters, 300 on the terror watch list. 200 million people dead now thanks to fentanyl poisoning this one man is responsible for breed that is a dereliction of duty. we looked at the founding fathers feared they did not have a lot of federal criminal statutes and breach of the public trust. it is sufficient to impeach. and i think it is important that we respond to the american people. shannon: here's a response from democratic congressman was on fox yesterday here's what he said. >> impeachment is grossly inappropriate for policy differences republicans are serious about border policy then let's engage on the bipartisan border policy bill. impeach in the secretary mayorkas' admission by the gop in the house they don't have a plan they have anger. shannon: they're angry. >> yes, my constituents are angry i just got back from texas. i was down at the border. it's the worst it has ever been. the detentio

look at what secretary jeh johnson obama did. there were able to detain and deport people under title 8. if the republicans say no to working this border deal,th at least put it to a vote. i would ask the president to use thoroughlident toy, use e existing authorities and detain people and deport people.u.s. c >> title 8, section 12 of the u.s. could sets it in stone whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens into the united states would be detrimental to the interests of the united states, he may by proclamation and fotates he h periods as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of allnecessy of aliens or anyei restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. ngress >> congress passed p that lawa s in 1952, and the media is so ignorant they think congress needs to pass another law foru ' joe biden to act. you don't need to be 80 to remember this lat to be 8w. you just need to be 20 because obama used it. if trump gets reelectemp getd, n he's going to use the same law on day one, and that wouldn't make him a dictator

we have got to look at how president obama and secretary jeh johnson did the enforcement of that lawspect and dignity. host: anthonyro up the idea of the administration is not motivated because they want all those people voting and they will vote for democrats. guest: by the time they become u.s. citizens, i do not know what is going to happen. it will be a long time. that is what republicans always used, the narrative. looking at the border, i want to make sure we have law and order, security border. anybody who comes in the right way -- either through a legal visa or there are paroled and follow the rules -- but keep in mind, right now, there were 300,000 people last year who were paroled. and the illegal migration i have been pushing, a current law for temporary work is right now. host: linda in orange, connecticut, democrat. caller: i have watched you for years. i also watched one of your counterparts, representative call, a republican. you both talk about the border. we need to talk about the border, but the bottom line is we are supposed to talk and you are supposed to listen.

if jeh johnson saying 1000 per day is a bad day, why on earth would be agree to 5000 a day or 8500 a crisis level for the border patrol agent. we should not be even discussing it, let alone putting that into codifying that. in terms of cruel, this is a go to tools of the biden administration is using. the obama administration used it well. it is intended to be rarely used, or someone who doesn't have time to get a visa. urgent need. emergency surgery or someone who is about to testify in a crim they don't have time to get a visa. it is typically rarely used, and that is how congress intended one reason we know that is congress did not authorize work permits for parolees. and yet this is ministration is handing out parole at a mass scale. tens of thousands for four nationalities and other groups as well, and giving them work permits. these are full for had time to apply for a visa, and this administration is violating that part of the statute. host: so we talked about the contours of the deal. is this something that you think is worth doing, because we furthered some progressive group

if jeh johnson saying 1000 per day is a bad earth would be agree to 5000 a day or 8500 a day?level for the border patrol agent. we should not be even discussing it, let alone putting that into codifying that. in terms of cruel, this is a go to tools of the biden administration is using. the obama administration used it well. it is intended to be rarely used, or someone who doesn't have time to get a visa. urgent need. emergency surgery or someone who is about to testify in a criminal case, they don't have time to get a visa. it is typically rarely used, and that is how congress intended one reason we know that is congress did not authorize work permits for parolees. and yet this is ministration is handing out parole at a mass scale. tens of thousands for four nationalities and other groups as well, and giving them work permits. these are full for had time to apply for a visa, and this administration is violating that part of the statute. host: so we talked about the contours of the deal. is this something that you think is worth doing, because we furthered some progressive gro

jeh johnson, president of obama's former dhs secretary previously said that 1000 encounters per day overwhelmshe system. on secretary mayorkas's watch, encounters have never averaged less than 3000 per day, even going as high as 12,000 per day. just a few days ago, internal cdp numbers linked to the media showed another 302,000 encounters at the southwest border, by far an all-time record, that is nearly enough people to fill the rose bowl three times in just one month. in addition to these catastrophic numbers, the record 1.8 million have got away, individual patrol agents slip across the border but are not apprehended in large part because the cartels overwhelm the agents with large groups of coyote, paid and escorted migrants, the agency them and they count them but they cannot apprehend them. but the numbers are most certainly far worse. as agents are moved across sites, to progress -- process migrants, there are no agents present to count the getaways, the number of unknown getaways is no doubt enormous. thousands of agents have been pulled off the front lines to process and release into