>> if they're real big movement cames when jehovah's witnesses challenge laws requiring school children to salute the flag and say the pledge of allegiance. at first they lost. that was a big case in 1940 that got a lot of attention and after that violence broke out and three years later the supreme court changed its mind and said we may be interested and patriotism and unity but not by beating of schoolchildren >>host: so today most class's begin with the pledge. >> so can a child said legally? >> there constitutionally protected in there right not to have to say the pledge of allegiance. >> the spirit of the law. who are in the people in your book? >> than and beverly are less well-known than they should be and were involved in a very important religious movement from the '60s through the late nineties as part of it and the merchant evangelical culture and them like others migrated to california to set up the major church and eventually became deeply involved in politics. beverly to is of particular a long dash particular interest founded a group which is concerned groups for america

. >> hulva is the nickname that jay-z gave himself because it is short for jehovah because he is the be on the show kathy lee and jehovah. >> don't you do that. >> i would like to say he didn't use my just havana good line in the rap. just another reason to believe he is the overrated rapper of our time. >> you know who gave him a run for his money today? dana perino. >> but she is not overrated as a rapper. >> i should have had that ready. while we do half time maybe somebody can find it. >> i am just as happy you didn't. >> you hating on dana. >> no, i love dana which is why i don't want to see that again. jay we are never going to show highlights of "the five" on" red eye." i refuse to do that. >> thank you, sherrod. and sherrod, i agree. obviously jay-z's line about getting white house clearance was a line. i thought carney's line about saying nothing rhymes with treasury. >> i thought it was hilarious. you can rhyme like treasury and jay-z. >> these rappers can make it happen. i have seen lil wayne rhyme words that i didn't own in words. >> they weren't. >> that explains a lot.

knock, knock, knock, knock, and our friendly jehovah witnesses want to speak to us about the true biblical path, or our friends the mormons want to cross the touch, but that's just most visible. we're free to speak to other people, as our hare krishna friends did, we can go out on the corners try to convince people to join up and that keeps it dynamic. see all these reasons are just not that it happened, we got diverse, there is still an impact on us-- we're still cooking here. another key factor; denominationalism, every time you get a lot of ationalisms you know you're talking sociology so you might as well get used to it here. but it's just the way the previous three factors have created an environment and how people organize. in other words, we don't really have anyone major church, what we have is many denominations, no establishment clause, free exercise allows again for a level playing field. so, lots of different choices and volunteerism simply means that people voluntarily can go to a religion of your choice, voluntarily they can get up out of that pew and go somewhere else if the

. >> it simply means you believe in a higher power, whether it be god, buddha, jehovah -- whatever thate faith-based dorm has been a real winner for us here. >> willie williams is one of the 170 inmates living in the faith-based dorm. he admits to killing a woman 17 years ago while high on drugs. >> we both were smoking cocaine. it ran out. i asked her if i could pawn her vcr. she smoked most of the dope and she said no. i got mad, you know, and i took her life. i stabbed her with a kitchen knife. and after i killed her, then i took the vcr and went and pawned it for some more dope. i come to a place and realized that she didn't deserve what i did to her. you know, i was a bad person and i want to change. i want to be different. that's when i got saved. i embraced jesus christ as my lord and savior and i believe he's really real. my hope is that people will see that people can be redeemed. >> would anyone else like to share concerning the letter at this time? >> as an exercise in empathy and self-awareness, inmates seeking rehabilitation are encouraged to write, but not mail, letters of

later she joined the jehovahs, which have passivism in their square one. she was on the sidewalks distributing anti-war pamphlets when dwight eisenhower was leading the greatest army ever assembled. and one of the brothers wrote to ike and said what she was doing, and they felt she should be stopped. it was not a proper thing for her to do. and ike wrote back, if it makes her happy, let her do it. and i feel that he knew that she couldn't hurt him. and he could hurt her, and he wouldn't. and i thought that was a very touching thought for that son to let her -- let her drblet anti-war pamphlets. >> where did the general get his temper? how bad was it? >> it was bad. it was a hot temper. and ida worked on it hard all his life. he got that temper, i think, because she had -- she had great equinity. i think he got it from his father, although he was a remote, removed man. but he was harsh on his children. so ike must have gotten it from that direction. but she would lecture him on the temper, and she would say, you're hurting yourself more than the other perso

they should have asked her if she would be comfortable to jehovah, or yaway. >> stephanie: right.as joined obama as a target of liberal's anger over the budget. john i'm sure you have been covering this. president obama of course an old hand at absorbing attacks from his left plank. nancy pelosi has said -- you know -- what do they call progressive change committee, they have lit in to her publicly for not opposing the president's proposal. allan grayson -- >> he was on my show two nights ago. >> stephanie: right. but he said something interesting. he said congress woman christine pelosi has a 30-year history of being against cuts. he argued that pelosi's leadership role regularly puts her in a delicate and awkward re relationship with the white house. >> there's a smart part about this, and a dumb part about this, and again, the democratic party is never shy about throwing liberals under the bus when it serves them. and it's actually good strategy to show the american people that the democratic issue are -- >> stephanie: americans could bbt n't be clearer. >> yeah, and the presid

later in life, he becomes a jehovah's witness and more people talked about that but nobody has writtenand seventh day adventism and i wanted to talk about that >> arguably his most popular song "purple rain" stayed symbolizes baptism. >> absolutely. >> walk us through that. >> water is constantly a baptist mall symbol in all sort of art. in the last verse, he is talking about you know, you want a leader, you can't -- you need to make up your mind, close it and let me guide you to the purple rain and the whole song, the first two verses talking about redempti redemption, somebody in the last moments of a relationship, you're in the last moment of a relationship, you feel guilty, you blame the other person, won't be able to walk away feeling no guilt. he allows the character that. so he is redeeming and then say follow me, i'm one. i mean, there's constantly messages of i'm the messiah, right? and i would die for you, i'm the messi messiah, the first movie before "purple rain" didn't get finished is called "the second coming." >> did not know that. >> what is he trying to activate in try