case. >> jehovah's witnesses are more famous today among constitutional lawyers and scholars than in broader society, because those people who study constitutional change think of the witnesses as true heroes, having brought into existence a new constitutional world. brian: how did you go about this one? lillian: this was one of the very final episodes i did for constitutional. it was an episode all about the first amendment, and in part i saved it for the end because i thought it fit really well under this idea of blessings of liberty, and it was also such an important topic to save for the finish. and partly, i pushed it off because i needed more time to come up with what i was going to do for a single episode about the first amendment. it felt daunting to narrow it down. was i eventually landed on to tell a narrower story about the role, as sarah mentioned, jehovah's witnesses played in facing -- in shaping first amendment rights in this country. it was a story i did not know well beforehand. it is a story, like many of the like,es, it is sort of you know, actually going on a ques

the idea of doing an episode on jehovah's witnesses came from someone i have spoken to earlier in theodcast, who planted the seed in my head, and this group had an incredible slew of cases in the 1940's that touched freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of the press. and so it became a way to talk about several aspects of our first amendment freedoms. but the amazing thing for me about this story was how up until these cases that the jehovah's witnesses brought, the first amendment didn't really hold -- it was first, but not for a reason, just by happenstance, its positioning. today we did of the first -- think of the first amendment as a crown jewel of the constitution, many of us do, certainly in journalism we do. but it took a group really advocating for those rights to be cemented for us as a nation to sort of uphold it in a meaningful way than we had for most of our history until the 1940's. brian: if people want to go listen to your podcasts, what is the best way to get to them? lillian: go to the "washington post" site. you can type in washingtonpost.com/constitut

thankfully with popular religious groups catholics and jehovah's witnesses and jews and muslims have all relied upon those that are protected by the first amendment the supreme court argument in the case that is the first of its kind to wield authority in a way to demonize his mom and is there any doubt that anybody question the desire of the trump administration to have a law that is muslims that would be based in animosity? the supreme court later this week can't stand where others have stood before on religious liberty to ensure the muslim community and practice faith without the effort to stigmatize now we will hear details of report and i thank you good morning my name is zainab arain the key findings are like to thank all of those whose hard work enabled the support with the 2018 civil rights report entitled targeted across the nation also releasing the findings of this report today provides evidence that the trump administration's attempt to ban has stigmatized american muslims with anti- muslim hate and violence across the country the supreme court of the united states these

so when it comes to the jehovah's witness, we try to stay within our limits, we look at the spread of this jewish and christian bible throughout the world and different times. is so we do have a new world translation, talk a little bit about the history of that. but we've put this in the context of this is really sort of an expansion of this sort of, you know, traditional book we call the bible, very simplistic to say "the bible," but we do try to put the jehovah's witness version into that stream of history. >> host: do you have a team of biblical or literature consultants to help put this display together? >> guest: yeah, great question. we do. so really throughout each of the exhibits -- we have well over 60 different scholars that we involve in different places. again, what i didn't tell danny was the key is balance. but if you're going to have a balance, if you're going to have a museum that's dedicated to the bible that is used by the different peoples, we -- it's very important to have catholic scholars, to have eastern christian scholars, protestant scholars, to have those tha

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if you are a jehovah's witness who does not believe in blood transfusions, i think most people wouldcourts have the right to decide the best interest of the child. but thatis the best interest of the child. but that is overruling the parents, so why is one decisional key to overrule them but the other is not? that is what i am wondering. overrule them but the other is not? that is what i am wonderingm overrule them but the other is not? that is what i am wondering. it is relatively easy to answer, we the courts see that we can think of a wave for a child to live and be more healthy that make sense, you can overrule parents, but when the pa rents overrule parents, but when the pa re nts wa nt overrule parents, but when the parents want a last shot at life and the courts rule the child should die, ithink the courts rule the child should die, i think that is when the pa rents die, i think that is when the parents should be free to pursue whatever hope they have left. in the case of charlie gard, there was a hospital in new york offering to look after them. and an alfie evans case, there

he says i'm still an idealist and i still believe jehovah will reward the punisher of the wrongdoer. he's talking about corruption. he continued on and he targeted particular individuals of the machine that were particularly problematic area he lashed out at caswell's, a democratic leader in the african-american eighth ward. he was affiliated with the rabbits. his boss above him was joseph shannon. he was probably one of the biggest rabbits. a solid and the crook of the worst water. he should have been in the pen 10 to 20 is ago. of joe shannon, shannon has not got an honest of pointy on the payroll. then he writes about tom pendergast and says if we only had time to deal with, the for a might have a chance clean, honest administration of the city and county. but tom can't operate without joe and cast. wayt did bother him in a that probably just wouldn't see explodeess you were to on these pieces of paper. he continued to work with the city. the city borrowed harry truman's bipartisan approach. the city had other bond issues of its own. truman is dealing with the county and the roads

i grew up jehovah witness. my grandmother was a baptist.ed. he studied islam as well. so i've had a spiritual foundation. when i was young, i would have a picture of michael jackson on the wall and i would pray and think michael jackson and his brothers were over me. so the presence you actually felt was god. ( laughter ) i'm sorry, that's what i get for telling you how i really feel about my life. >> stephen: at the last minute, it turned into something meaningful. i thought it was headed toward a joke. >> no! ( laughter ) >> stephen: it was better than a joke! >> i really thought michael and his brothers was looking over me because i always felt that presence. i'm a praying man, i would always pray before i go to bet. >> stephen: all of them? tito? >> well maybe not him, but michael was there, he was right in the mid. >> still is. charlamagne, thanks so much for being here. >> thank you. >> stephen: >> stephen: "black privilege" is available in paperback next tuesday. charlamagne tha god, everybody! we'll be right back with comedian nell