at the table jelani cobb, ari berman, brittney cooper, and dale ho., president of the center for policing equity and professor of social psychology at ucla and the co-author of "seeing black report" that discussed his work with the officials at the department of justice. it's so nice to have you, professor. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to make this clear in relation to the conversation that we were having before about mr. sterling, your research does not show police officers are racist, right? it's something more complicated than that. help folks to understand what your research does tell us. >> well, basically what psychologists are interested in doing generally is showing basic psychological universals. so the research that we've been doing show it's not police that are particularly or peculiarly racially biased, it's everybody. rather than thinking about prejudice as the problem, we start thinking about situations as the solution. both within colleges and communities and within law enforcement as well. >> so part of -- so let's -- let me get