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> back with when he, nicole hannah jones, prize winning journalist creator of the 1619 project, jelani cobbhe south. roy blunt was asked by a reporter why he wasn't on side with the changes that joe manchin suggested to the for the people voting rights act. listen to what he said about it. >> well, we all, i think every one of us, looks for opportunities to work with senator manchin. we found those opportunities. i actually think when stacey abrams immediately endorsed senator manchin it became the stacey abrams substitute, not the joe manchin substitute. >> what a way to undermine an interesting idea. joe manchin faced a lot of criticism. he came up with a compromise republicans might support. not joe manchin's idea, it's stacy abrams and hence republicans can't support that. >> yeah, if we are looking for republicans to support an effort that would make it much harder for them to do what they're doing in statehouses all across this country, we're just being very naive about the political landscape. and to our democracy's detriment. yes, stacey abrams, if she didn't endorse it, it would be

joining me to discuss jelani cobb, staff writer for "the new yorker." ve you with me. you're the ideal person to talk with me this morning. while the senate was passing this. while gop legislators were voting on this. they weren't interested in police reform, criminal justice reform. limiting the pathway to the ballot box. this ridiculous critical race theory notion. i'm curious because i don't want to be disrespect follow to mother opal lee. we can celebrate small victories. i felt a little dissatisfied. where are you on this? >> you know, i'm honestly conflicted about it because as an historian, i'm always happy to see people engage with history. i think it's important for us to recognize as a nation the history of enslavement here. at the same time, i'm perplexed by it. if we have this federal holiday, which, you know, has come about amid the adverse circumstances that you've been talking about, you know, we have real concerns about police reform, which is being held up in the senate. we have real concerns about voting, which is not only being held up

cobb. walk us through your view as a participant here. >> i think you started with melissa and jelani at exactly in the right place. it is rare to have a day like this. >> it was 13 mopt ago today that george floyd was murdered. >> the fact that these cases was brought historic. the fact that charges including murder is historic. officers after officers testified how lounge this was, i think the case and the verdict does send a message today that no one is above the law. it is a welcome change. i don't have to words to describe how important i think this is. i think jelani captured it so well and that humanity and empathy is hoep apart of what we can take as a pro protect as what we need to do as a society. i know you work on this case, i imagine some of those reasons and it is broader than that. i didn't want to get your reacc reacc -- reaction. >> we didn't hear from him as a child. their is what chauvin said briefly. >> there will be some information in the future thald be of interest and i hope things will give you some peace of mind. >> do you have any idea? >> yes. >> i have some speculati