jen jen. in particular, the low line areas there, about 300000 people have been evacuated and across different cities. public sales is also being offered to people who don't feel very safe remaining at home. now this is not the only type room that china is preparing for. there's another storm, slight like wave, which is making its way towards the east of china. it's supposed to keep tie one plus for making lentils on the eastern close. this not is not as severe. a storm over expedite is gathering pace, the closer it gets to land. and this has be quite a test on that for chinese authorities when it comes to a stream, whether just in july, unprecedented rain, deadly flooding to much of northern china, and dozens of people with children em. let's say. unfortunately, thanks to climate change, unlikely to say more of these deadly extreme, the resents in china, katrina you out a 0 staging. slow weather present to just harrington has been tracking. typhon show want to get to the maps and show you exactly where the storm is turning up in the south china sea, just to the east of hong kong. let's go in here for a closer look. now the dark of the blue and yellow that is a more intense rain. so you saw those live pictures in hong kong. that is nothing yet what the city is about to experience as the storm does begin to turn closer to hong kong. so here it is. right now, by the numbers sustained wins around the eye of the storm. look at that 220 kilometers per hour. so that puts it at a cat for an equivalent to a category for hurricane. at one point, this storm was closing in teetering on a category 5 hurricane status. now look at this waves around the i have the storm 14 meters, so forbidden perspective. i'm about 1.8 meters. so that would be about 7 or 8 of me stacked on top. so with that in mind, this will have a big impact on transport. number of boats have already docked because of how bad this storm will be. and then storm surge in the harbor there. i would say anywhere from about $1.00 to potentially up to 3 meters. now let's talk about where the storm is going to go. we don't think it will make land fall in hong kong. it's going to raise the city for sure. we think the land fall will come in one's own profits, which is just west of hong kong. but we also got to talk about macau, i think this will be really bad for the count, but let's focus on hong kong right now. the next 3 days, 300 millimeters of rain. so what does this mean? that is about a months worth of rain coming out. you within 24 to 48 hours. showers will linger for the next few days. but look, this will also pump in the humidity feeling about 3738 over the next little bit. so here's where the storm went to cause a lot of damage on northern philippines, lose on island, extensive flooding their stream flooding. it moved from the philippine sea to where it is right now in the south trying to see the clean off is on the way and pops of the south eastern us that were hit by hurricane adalia. as now we can to a top coat stool. and the estimates the damage in florida in georgia between $12.00 and $20000000000.23 people died and storm related incidents in the us. she were killed through that whole squares. and just on the 2 hours and the single pause, fast contested presidential election since 2011. the front runner who was a former deputy prime minister, it is expected to win something. the result could be close, tiny, tangled thoughts. it's early morning cues outside of singapore in polling station. this presidential election appears to have generated more excitement and those in the past. and both is keen to get in and exercise the democratic rights. yeah, i'm really happy shows have you truly a democratic country and 3 great candidates and the best men wins. yeah. thing up for has really a blossom a lot in a very highly technical and professional and democracy has that blossom with it. i hope so. but from the, from the way it is run, i think everything seems to be open recent constitutional changes and showed great the choice and the balance. well, the president is a non political post something this could become a referendum and the ruling party. lots of people are heading into the polling stations here in senior pool to make the pick for the new president. and this is the 1st time in more than a decade. so they've had the chance to do so. but in the country ruled by the same political policy for more than 60 years, people may also be looking for little more choice. we're looking also at, at an electorate, you know, that is more desirous of a political diversity, maybe even some participation, you know, in the one part you dominant state people here. question the success of the city state. that's now one of the richest countries in the world. but the economic development has not been matched by political change. and this selection could be an indication that voters would like a little more choice. totally toyota, 0, simple to the king of china and has reduced the prison sentence for the former prime minister text. and so no up from 8 years to just 12 months. the announcement comes 24 hours off his appeal for a royal pods and tax and return home last week from 15 years of self imposed exile and was immediately sent to jail. that was for his previous convictions, the corruption and abuse of power to many people and talk hassan are responding to being sent high electricity bills by refusing to pay them increased electricity tasks that provides process in major cities, including karachi, the government, and the fuel subsidies and raise taxes, the costs of conditions for $3000000000.00 bailout from the international monetary fund. still ahead on al jazeera, it's back to school for children in ukraine, despite the destruction of thousands of pastors in austin plants. my mother was about below in southern mexico, where residents of one indigenous community are hoping that a new state of the art railway system that cuts through the rain forest will bring about a much needed boost to the local economy. that's coming up. the in depth analysis of the days headlines, 1000000 euros to help students here address migration. is it going to ease the micro crisis to make it was informed opinions. we need more investors and more people that make the decision to embrace human foothold. frank assessments this balance between to tell and sound reassurance. is a teacher leading to the 5 missing the station inside story on out to 0. a climb this time will be legal tray. what you have here is not just are, can logical objects. you're talking about the political damage, where the spoils of war smuggled and sold 2 option houses and private collectors, buying or selling. and part of the fact is worth finance is to be headings of muslims in the middle east. don't sell, don't buy. that's one quick solution. box trafficking on i will just see around the mileage is here with the new watching out of their mind to our top stories. a couple ins, main opposition says that it's candidates out on the also one the election and is quoting on the ministry to finish counting. the votes committed to receive power and council. the election results in which president ali baba was declared the winner, hong kong on all the pallets of southern china, grinding to halters twice to show a head that way. tens of millions of staying at home is transportation is ended with businesses and school shots and trash supplies on caps, benches and sing for choosing the next president. the election is being seen by some as an official with random in the government's records following a series of corruption scandals and the rising cost of living south africa is mourning the death of at least 74 people killed in a building fine and central janice bag on thursday, when does the say as many as 200 people could have been living in the building illegally investigations on looking for the close, the president says the accident is a wakeup call to address the housing crisis in south africa's in assessing. i'm in the middle of this building was condemned in 2020 and that means that should have been demolished. that wasn't done because according to the injury of that what at least the spalding all that occupied this building. they were confronted by slumlord to overran the building, and then 14 tenants and charge them illegally to stay here. in fact, back there in about a 140 people were arrested. some of them charged. many of them, illegal immigrants. so there are a couple of issues the city is dealing with management of the city, some appointing, it's dysfunctional and the hijacking of buildings. and that they're taken over by some notes there at least a 100 of them within johannes. but that the city come to very much about there's also the issue of a legal immigrants and documented the foreigners who come into the country. and because the is a housing crisis, they look for housing in places like this. and this is why they can be charged those rental amounts by the some north and is very the to regulation. because this building was meant to have been towards condemned and meant to have been good smallish. it's remained unsafe. people moved in there was illegal and it puts it to connections and unsafe electricity connections and what the connections to all these factors come together resulting in the incident before and the last 24 hours . and the loss of at least 74 lives on palestinian has been killed. 3 of the others injured off to is riley forces stone, the village of a call about in the occupied westbank flashing for account between the israeli troops and beyond wing. if these plumbing too hot movement is real, says that had surrounded the home and for some space, allegedly involved in an attack at a check point on friday night. one is right is sold to don. least 5 civilians have been killed in russian as strikes on a village in eastern syria, the civilians were killed as tribal sizes took over a village near mountain village following ongoing flashes for the syrian defense forces rushing plains, then talking to the police, the village entering the team alongside the 5 that were killed, the police 75 people have been killed and fighting in the area in the last week. it's back to school day for children and ukraine. and despite the war which is destroyed or damaged thousands of classrooms. as with all the former soviet republics, this thought to the academic year on september, the 1st is widely celebrated, but as well, mcbride reports the crating children and the parents all struggling to cope with destruction and displacement. a new school and a new place this 1st day. it's both exciting and doing thing for the arena. mrs. jen coe about to $106.00 had become a nation. i was going to the kindergarten before. she tells us that level. okay. that's when she and the family sheltered in the basement, will say from i want to learn my less as the numbers. i don't know them very well yet my grandmother has been helping me most recently. everything is new because almost everything she and her family owned was left behind in the southern region of kind of son. this is the somebody who i should have a student that she would attend to the same school as i did. and now her village you own is one of the best for your child. that is, um instead a new school will be north of keep work continues repairing buildings. so with damaged in the initial invasion, which are now dealing with an influx of children from the fighting in the south and the east of their friends life, change the teachers. i've changed that i'm writing this change. so there's a huge mental pressure on those children. and full that teaches as the added burde

now it's jen jen. in particular, the low line areas there, about 300000 people have been evacuated and across different cities. public sales is also being offered to people who don't feel very safe remaining at home. now this is not the only type room that china is preparing for. there is another storm slide like way which is making its way towards the east of china. it's was to keep tie one plus before making lentils on the eastern close. this not is not as severe . a storm over expedite is gathering pace, the closer it gets to land. and this has be quite a test on that for chinese authorities when it comes to a stream, whether just in july, unprecedented rain, deadly flooding to much of northern china, and dozens of people were killed. and i'm, let's say, unfortunately thanks to climate change and likely to say more of these deadly extreme weather events in china. katrina, you out a 0 staging or can it dalia has left a must have clean up operation and pumps of southeastern united states. it's not we

assembly since russia's invasion last year man a impassioned speech accusing moscow of terrorism and jen jen> reporter: we have to address the challenges while russia is pushing the word to the final car. ukraine is doing everything to ensure that no one in the world will dare attack any nation. >> katie polglase is joining us live with more. good morning. zelenskyy also spoke to wolf blitzer in a cnn exclusive on tuesday. what did we learn? >> sgm. it was very clear from the interview with wolf blitzer that zelenskyy again trying to project some confidence that his counteroffensive has been making progress. he is very positive about it. but when pressed about whether there would be a major breakthrough in the coming months, he says no one knows really and that really speaks to the difficult dilemma that zelenskyy has heading to d.c. because he wants too show that the u.s. aid is going somewhere. and it is worst it investing in this counteroffensive. but on the other hand, he wants to know sha he needs more, he needs more help and that he needs to be continued to be supportive in the coming

jen jen, in particular, the low line areas there, about 300000 people have been evacuated across different cities. public shelves is also being offered to people who don't feel very safe remaining at home. now this is not the only type room that china is preparing for. there's another school site, likewise, which is making its way towards the east of china. it was hit by one plus before making lentils on the eastern course. this not is not as severe a storm over expedite is gathering pace, the closer it gets to land. and this has be quite a test on that for chinese authorities when it comes to a stream, whether just in july, unprecedented rain, deadly flooding to much the mold in china, and dozens of people with children. i'm, let's say, unfortunately, thanks to i'm a change. unlikely to say more of these deadly extreme weather events in china. katrina, you out 0 staging. terry wong is the manager of local disaster relief at the hong kong, red cross and he joins us live from hong kong festival. terry, can you tell us what's happening outside your window? what is the weather doing right now or so, or how about the ones uh, the con context trustees are the highest level storm signal. so i was off my window . we can't hear the now voices of the we they just solving the there are 3 uses. busy some 3 supporting on so that piece of situations and phone calls and we've expense these strong type who is now losing cross the phone call and causing a high risk to the know 9 areas. when you talk about winds of 200 kilometers an hour, it's quite hard to imagine watts of destruction. can they cause we have we have been to the low 9 areas. so the m b a seem to come over to you. they are getting there for the so i think and we were expecting the right call quite collecting levels in some of the areas on call. and the city has been preparing bike completely shutting down. it's no stranger to tie food and it's like this will, this does seem to be a much bigger one minutes had in the past. but home. com is not, as we know, not to suffer too. it has to be the deadly situation for most of the occurrences. on yes, but so we have, uh, the some strong type was in the us and we were expecting it would be the strongest, sees 2018. so that's the reason why the hong kong breakfast has mobilized stop and go on here is to provide the pre type of assistance in one of the no 9 areas in hong kong density, which is called title. and we have support to more than 70 host host, to support the emergency restoration lifting of the furniture's to avoid the damages and also conduct the assessments all further with the passions respect out our b type, we actions we would hang over the highways. how so these 2, these governments all for a dirty by commission arrangements and what stage to you with the red cross venture back out onto the streets to assess the damage and help people in the recovery efforts. so right now it is still at the peak of the times point before the 3rd time when has reached the speak o a team have been there to come to us the assessments and supporting the reparations receive. some households have been direct rates that we support this summer that to go to the governments, operating emergency operation, emergency centers, and some still stay in the original homes. so that is our major concerns. and we have our step down these 2 documents in case they need emergency support. and we are planning on post type of actions, right? other people type one, we are planning to mobilize, all the stuff that warranty is, once again, is with those kinds of communities to provide is necessary support and get it paid for the people to come for reductions such as the cash assistance. okay, terry wong, stay safe and good luck with all of your efforts over the next coming hours. thanks very much taking time speak to us. thank you very much. but kind of tied on has reduced the present sentence for the former prime minister attacks and should've walked from 8 to is to just 12 months. and that's when it comes 24 hours after his appeal for royal pods and attacks and returned home last week from 15 years of self imposed exile, it was immediately sent to jail. that was by his previous convictions for corruption and abuse of how early indications from single pole is presidential election have the ruling p a p policy in the lead 3 candidates all in the running to replace the incumbent. helemano yackel role is mainly ceremonial and is supposed to be non political event follows a series of corruption scandals. let's go live to tiny chang for us in single pull . tiny, how's the boat count going? the well we've just had the preliminary results and the election commission here is very key distress. this is just the 10 percent sample the from a ballot census around the city state. but it does indicate the establishment candidate has an over whelming lead a 70 percent. now the thing that could well be between a one and 5 percent variation in that, but the i think 70 percent put some well over a head of his rifles. i'd suggest that some of the tools we've been hearing in the day is building up to the selection of people putting in a protest vote of unhappiness with the ruling p a p. and this is an opportunity the vote is the live us something of a slap in the face to a prime minister, alicia, and on. well, it seems that the sing apartments have chosen not to do that tom and shun over at them who appears to be the kansas the well in the lead now is what was until a couple of months ago, a senior minister in the p. a. p. government is a former deputy prime minister, a one stage they will even talk to him, but as a successor deletion long, but now it appears that he's going to be taking out the post of president a single. okay, tiny, thanks very much for joining you again. as we get more votes counted that in sample to south africa is mourning the death of at least 74 people killed in a building far as central john is back on thursday. when does it say, as many as 200 people could have been living in the building and legally presence around the place? us as the far as a wakeup call to address the housing prices in south africa's in the cities. me. the miller has well from john is by more details emerging around exactly what happened when this fire broke out at the building behind me killing at least 74 people. i'm slipping out a shot to give you a better idea of what it looks like now. this blackened folding at times during the course of this morning, we've seen smoke still coming out of the building. we do know that officials are continuing some of the search and recovery operations. dogs are being 14 to look for any more human remains, and it's likely they would find more bodies in the building given that some of the reports indicate that people were trapped behind a locked gate. they weren't able to escape the blaze. a firefight to say that they found a pile of bodies behind that gates of people unable to get out. and they also say that once they entered the building, people had locked themselves in their rooms because they were too scared to follow . the fire fights is through the flames, and this is what's contributed to that height, depth told. we understand that within the building there were a number of shanties or shacks, both with in the basement levels of the building. but moving, so the up of people with trapped on the higher floor was there about 5 floors in this building and they were unable to get away from the 4th or 5th floor. many of them jumping through windows. we've spoken to eye witnesses of said that they saw people jumping off the windows of throwing their positions positions out of these windows and trying to escape a we've seen quite harrowing, visuals taken on mobile phones. so people screaming and, and the flames impossible to get through. and the lower parts of the building, again, shanties, bolt, highly of a tens of densely populated area where people will pack together. and for that reason, difficult for them to get out of the city has said that this building was condemned . about 3 years ago. it should have been demolished, but it was overrun by slum lords who illegally charged people to love. yeah. so i mean, i'm allowed to 0 to his, but the government has confirmed that the russian president vladimir putin will, whose tech is leader of a job type. the one for tools next week. leaders will meet in the black seat resort . says he has touchy it comes to 6 weeks off the most good pulled out of a deal breaker by and cra allowed you crating grain to pass through the black sea deck. yes, as it wants to restore the deal, which it says is critical for global food security. this is back to school day for children in ukraine despite the war which has destroyed or damaged thousands of classrooms. and sort of a former soviet republics to stop the academic year on september. the 1st is widely celebrated as what mcbride reports, children and the parents are struggling to cope with the destruction and displacement. a new school and a new place this 1st day. it's both exciting and don't thing for every mist jenco about $106.00 had become a nation. i was going to the kindergarten before. she tells us that the will came. that's when she and the family sheltered in the basement, will go um safe. um, i want to learn my less as the numbers. i don't know them very well yet my grandmother has been helping me was growing up pretty sure. everything is new because almost everything she and her family owned was left behind in the southern region of kind of. so this is the somebody who i should have noticed and that she would attend to the same school as i did. and now her village you own is one of the best for your child that us instead, her new school will be north of keep. westwood continues repairing buildings that were damaged in the initial invasion, which is now dealing with an influx of children from the fighting in the south and the east of the friends life change. the 2 types of change that i'm writing this change. so there's a huge mental pressure on those children and full that teaches as the added burden of creating time tables according to the size of the shelters. for example, the screws which have ok to we'll just have like 15 minutes to target them at the shampoo. the capacity is on the 4th to the end of the children. so to the children come a tough time to the school estimates very, but it's reckoned as many as 3000 schools have been damaged or completely destroyed since the start of the war. and in the last academic yeah, only about a quarter of ukrainian schools were able to offer full time in person learning. this is all that's left of 12 year old, so fee effect, a chain cose, home village in the south of as this. now this was the school, she attended, the she and the family adjust to a new life. pamela, they sent me to you a super bowl last year and i didn't go to school at all. we didn't even have intimate. by the time we were able to leave, the school year was almost over, over the course of theater and thousands of other displaced children priority on this 1st day of school. how to making up for lost time had to bullish color mcbride . i'll just say around you the pin ukraine. so it had hair on alex's era. hope frances visit, a small catholic community in mongolia will tell you why it's all in the name of diplomacy. plus, i'm john henry and in ohio with these earth and mountains might just be part of the next unesco world heritage site. and his full twinkle action from the possible world cup. as the usa faced the toughest test so far, i guess one tonight the, let's get going with your weather update for the america is great to have you along and we begin where the action is. india biotech. we've got our 2 storms here. remnants leftovers of what it was and they are feeding into each other. the worst of the rain has moved away from canada is newfound land province. after being dealt with by rain there to the west, we go. the showers of also moved away from a british columbia, so that's allowing the temperature to come up in vancouver to 23 degrees. temperatures are slowly going down through s f and l a. and then we've got some monsoon down pores for the us southwest. so think states like nevada and arizona, for example, for the us gulf states, things are quiet but still seen a legacy of showers and rain across florida. dark in the blue, the more intense that rain will be falling to day on friday and for central america again with post. tropical cyclone evaluates leaving behind rain once again through western cuba, and we can trace it through the good time peninsula as well. there has been some heat through is northern and eastern bolivia. we also see that pumped up through brazil, some analysis at 3070 threes. and then we've got some big storms rumbling through eastern paraguay, pushing into the southeast of brazil. so jolts and bolts and the forecast for a small ceiling with a height of $28.00. the end of it. the stories of hope and inspiration. show us documentaries from around the world. that celebrates colleagues and resilience in the times of time on the phone and the examining the impact of today's headlines. setting the agenda for tomorrow's discussions. international filmmakers, some world class journalists, bring programs to inform, and inspired on al jazeera, the, the, [000:00:00;00] the ending of what you're going to do as a reminder about top stories this i'll, a couple is main opposition says it's cancelled at one the election and just calling on the ministry to finish counting, the votes of that on the also says the phone go family, which is what was going on for 55 years is still in control. since the head of the agenda is a cousin of the deposed presidents, super timeframe sala is tearing through hong kong on pots and southern china, with winds of around 200 kilometers now and tens of millions of people are hungry down at home. as transportation is suspended and business schools shots at least 5 civilians have been killed in russian as strikes them on beach in eastern syria. it time talk to tribal fights as of today, took over a village from certain democratic forces and the lines of kurdish and our militias and our reports that the syrian regime post was attacks leading to its russian allied bombing. the area slicing across the s d f controlled region has killed at least 75 people in the past week. so what does the us box s d f control that runs non swathes of the countries north and east shown here in yellow? it'd be no shift in these lines of controls in 3 years. and here in red, you can see how the syrian government is secure. most of the country since the war . same consult, do, joins us now from simple and neighboring tech care. and said, why we things latest fighting in this s t f, controlled area? as well as we, as we all know of the cfo, it consists of both of kurdish and our forces. and as since the beginning of this office of stablish mintz, it was claimed that the majority of the syrian democratic forces was formed by the or i'll try them, they are arm it groups joined in the fight against the serial government. after the civil war started, they came together and they were backed by the by the united states. however, recently this is the we have been is seeing them crashing with each other based on a rest by the curtis forces within the us the, the a, the curtis wing within this cf era. so it's one of the tribal military commanders of this part, a lot of reaction from the syrian or out prides. and this is how they started uh, the calls like however iran mon bitch, which is still been dated, which is a run by the us. the forces we have seen the serial forces, taking over some of the military posts, including one f, a, a one of the series, the steering curtis fighter group, the y p g, which is the backbone of the a, c, f. a finding group has context relationship, both with russia, united states, the syrian government. and that's why things are a little bit odd when we speak about this complex, late complex relationship. but it says that russia was concerned that the, if you read are up twice a capacity over to other student government controls, areas and rochelle facilities as supports the syrian government forces. it sounds sources say that they are a, they are afraid. they are also trying to support the y p g, which is considered as the serial branch of the coast on apple workers party, which is designated as a service organization by it through kia. how over this is the situation on the ground that's on the issue. the river is this the that dominate the area where you will have rich oil resources and therefore the, that the syrians are upfront some also taking photos of the other most or post a close by the l. o. more uh, oil facilities. uh, if this ozone like this and will there be any, a major conflict between the arab's and the curse within the s. yep. and see that it is so i'm clear about the tension is a continue to rise along with some other protests against the economic downturn. within the syrian government controls areas, after some time of a quiet listen to try and kill there, there are the, there was this clashes between the person or ops and serial, which is concerning for many parties involved in the syrian war. okay, so the many thanks for that. let's talk about this more with milan capital and he's had a policy analysis at center for research and policy studies and joins us from here in doha. mama is incredibly complex situation, so many divisions. now, in that syria, 1st of all, let's look at the involvement of the russians. how significant is it the listing russian as strikes in an area that's controlled by the sd of getting involved in a fight that seem to be internal? a yeah, it a significant to either the the, i think it's mainly because the that guy by the, the sold nation in the army. the key back to key about mission an army of the city of opposition has heard that there was a sions helped us see it in the courses as well as a seat in the gym. and the other members, members, in fact is a, is a, is a policy that which is mainly under the influence of the united states, farther down the shop. but the trans here to our growing actually to sort of any progress by the pro, to the mid to the factions. i guess, as you can easily imagine, as the at the see, the closest ahead of the meeting that is going to be has into achieve between president goods, the guy and presidents. that'd be a full gen and which city i wouldn't be the main issue of the discussion between the 2 and the 2 leaders. but then forget also that this is this, the issue is uh, is the continuation of uh, of uh, of default thing, which has, uh, brought uh between addison, i'm testing area between docs and the coating dish. and i mentioned the cdn democratic forces. what are the dimensions of the fab? an auto reply, the leader of the idea is or get to the concept of a few days i've worked with whole so this is the last minute suspicion of isaac tension between ohana and codes. and then all of these off of syria, and there are so many actors extend an aggregate as well on having high stig and this fighting, for example, your product is said to be supporting the tides in the use of cdn against the see the equipment you need at the condition of the seat of the forces because the wrong hands would like very much that might have caused the allies to, to get out of this part of celia turkeys also very much interested in this because because it, there is an agreement between the asset that the boxes are the sharp to the key under your arm. so it's a good thing. forcing that medic as to the cd uh as soon as possible. so okay. you are seeing washer right on is the 3rd score. i'm trying to do to the bottom visual, this confidence between the out of the cards in the saw in dozens in the middle east, the city. and i'm wondering who is the main window of all of this in the fi saying, is it i so i'll be going to see a resurgence of iso fights. as you can see that the menu item has been in fact defeated over the past few years. i mean that many times they have destroyed the main force of heisen, but that doesn't mean actually that there are some a status i'm her name is r as in here and data. so they might take advantage of that as well. i believe the major one level of that would be, in my opinion, to see it in the g at your audience, as with, as the options. because the, the ball blank actually do we get the american engine, one's in the know, and, and east of syria. and the part thing between the hours of the cars would very much say of their interest in the investment and that direction. so this is why the americans outlined our sheet to add to the skinny in this situation between the, to the 2 sides. i'd like to focus on some sort of a compromise or a piece of obesity between, between them. okay, well on copland thanks very much for joining us here on out to 0 and explaining some of the complex situation down. i'm going fighting in syria. i think he's like, oh, there's been renewed violence between all menu and as a by john has been in a decades long territorial dispute. i mean, yes, as 4 of its soldiers have been killed and one wounded off the other by johnny trips fide at its positions. it happens the town of soft place to the boulder. as about jones defense ministry says 3 of its troops were injured and an attack on the town of talbot. john tension is centered around the corner of power back regions. many people in pakistan say that being sent high electricity bills and are refusing to pay for them. they say they can't afford to anymore. and to the best spending outstrips the earnings. the high electricity types of products nationwide protests of going hydro pulls from his level that it's another day gone by ask a nice lot. margaret dunn's own from a hard day's work. she worked as a house maid working and said rid of homes, but she's not done for the day dinner tonight is a cup of tea without medicine and plain braid. the window bed for children hundreds around or 5 feet by 3. she still in shock of the seeing the electricity been the call. yes. are the titles out. that'd be the see this? i put a bill 218505 only 815000 we pick per month. how do i pay it? i have any $1.00 time and 2 energy saver bulbs. how can the bill be so high? i hold in enough to provide food for my children. if i pay this bill, how will i see my children? hired electricity based on shortly due to increased energy costs. my goal is here because of higher decades in board by the government. after 2 days of high level meetings by government administered in islam of odd, there is no solution to the pricing for the past few days, protested dollar drugs focused on birds and electricity bids. and said that if you need to pay them, the government says consumers have no choice but to pay that bill. however, for millions of people across the buckets done, that is an option. rarely be on day me. the greater than businesses are already closing shop. i never announced a plan for a country wide protest against the price rise. this, the garbage invested millions factories and businesses around the village of collab, meaning have already shut down. re, quote, high inflation has also reduced the people's purchasing power in the markets, a room to value. as word spreads about the data being here in this board neighborhood. others bring along their unpaid bills to complain. when we are in a difficult situation now husbands are jo place, which makes us find work. so we can support families like many other jews, you're spending a huge amount for a follow up. is way beyond that ability to pay a fee, it's focused on scale, dig a government, and now having to contend with widespread discontentment and great protests. and that may red spin out of control. come out of how you did roger doodle. islam abide by frances is visiting montgomery, i'm the head of the roman catholic church. hope says triple help improve relations with neighboring china. we don't really put a small guy here at the home to only around 1500 catholics wasik and says the visit will draw our attention to people on the peripheries of society. full collins as a former priest and historian of the catholic church. he says pope fonts as wants to keep the doors open with montgomery as neighbours russia, and china. a hi francis is very much a man who is concerned about the peripheries of the church. and he is not so concerned about, well established catholic areas. like, for instance, a milan and easily openness initially, or a big hispanic catholic population in los angeles in the united states. he's concerned about the people who live on the ages if you like. so he really is trying to give voice to people on the periphery. he also has a great interest in asia. he is really concerned with catholics a very much in the minority of christians, a very much and a minority issue with perhaps the exception of the philippines. and he's very much concerned the guy also have a voice. mongolia, as it's geographically right between china and russia. he's concerned in china about the appointment of bishops and keeping a relationship going with the communist government to china. in russia. he's concerned about keeping relationships going with the russian orthodox church. the orthodox church has been very supportive on the russian government and the war and ukraine box. he, he still wants to keep doors with the russian orthodox. i think those 2 things, i think also another thing that's important to you is that ongoing is largely a country. and again, john, a po francis has been a person who has been very much reaching out to the other great types of the world . and so i was interested to see that what is a human go is, is quite a bit and it's in coordination. well, the pipe po francis has not yet met the deadline lama again, perhaps because of sensitivities to china. over a 150 schools in the u. k. of facing parcel or foreclosure because of old and unsafe concrete at risk of collapsing. incision has left many parents wondering why the announcement was made so place to students returning to school off the summer holidays. if oscar has moved from london, the timing couldn't be was days away from children going back to school after the summer break. they'll face enclosures and disruptions. the sheffield school pupils of learning under a 60 year old roof risk of collapse. in places the ceilings held up by wisdom prompts the materials known as rac reinforce autoclaved air rated concrete use from the 1950s up to the mid 19 ninety's, the satellite. it's 30 year life span corpus kristie school in bricks in south london is one of the schools forced to push the close. one of the problems dealt with of direct was found in parts of the room. it's going to be difficult, but it's the best solution, right? we would just have to work together, parents can work out a solution to help each other. you get the kids to school governments trying to assure parents, the problem is under control. what is left to choose. scrambling to find alternatives, including mobile containers and which the continued teaching and for some people's of a ton to pump demick style. remote learning hasn't been ruled out to a 156 out of our 22 and a half 1000 schools said that most people you will be effective for those privacy for me is a children's children safety. and that's why we're taking these precautionary measures. the problem is, is not just schools that are affected. other public buildings constructed in the 50 sixties and seventies, including universities, quotes and hospitals also contain the, the interest concrete materials to be known about for some time with unsafe rock identified and removed. the due evidence of bush and we so weak suggesting below risk rock is actually dangerous schools and other buildings that with thought to be safe with anything but the bulk of knowledge is here in london. so my head here on now to sierra will show you how defending champion calls alcaraz made it into around 3 of the us open. that's next in the the, [000:00:00;00] the new additions to the list of unesco wells, heritage sites are about to be announced. and this was created 51 years ago to recognize the most significant cultural and natural attractions on the planet. it's on 100 reports from new in the us stage of ohio. whether you an agency is considering its 1st of a site for an h and culture. that's left as mark on the country side. in the rolling hills of ohio for 2000 years, a series of earth and mounds crafted into precise shapes, his line, the landscape, the hopewell, ceremonial earthworks are the lingering vestiges of the hope will culture. now being considered as a unesco world heritage site, these aren't the. busy of cities or fortifications in close ceremonial places. um, also the astronomical alignments. in the context of indigenous civilizations. those relate to aligning or thoughts with the cosmos. nestled among the midwestern trees and foreigner, or a series of geometric shapes, the great circle in octagon in newark, the massive square at mountain city. and the scattered forms of fort ancient. the entrance to the circle in octagon at the newer curse works points to a spot on the horizon where the moon rises at its northern most point, every 18.6 years. they might not be as high as the pyramids or as famous as stonehenge. but archeologists and historians believe because of their geometric precision, the astronomical knowledge it took to make them in their massive scale the hopewell . earthworks deserve equal recognition as most of the designs have been preserved. but modern life is risen around them with roadways through entering and banquets and a golf course soon to be close to preserve the historic side where weekend hackers rule golf carts over sacred mounts. brit ruby, an archaeologist for the national park service, says the earthworks were a gathering place for native americans from all across north america. if you were here 2000 years ago, this would have been a multi lingual, multi ethnic place, a very cosmopolitan place with different languages and many different peoples gathered here for ceremony. conservation is a global recognition, will lead to better appreciation by travelers in that will lead to greater funding and preservation of a pre historic landscape surrounded by the modern world. john henry and l g 0. newark, ohio. hi natural is spelled as j laura. thank you very much. the transferred window closes in many of your top leaks in the next few hours and it seems a little cool. we'll have a fight on that hans, to keep hold of the strike. a mohammed seller is being reported. the company's reject to the bid was $190000000.00 from saudi pro lakeside out. it's a has. the saudi team made contact with live full direct to my 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now it's jen jen, in particular, the low line areas there, about 300000 people have been evacuated across different cities. public shelves is also being offered to people who don't feel very safe remaining at home. now this is not the only type room that china is preparing for. there is another storm slide like way which is making its way towards the east of china. it was hit by one plus before making lentils on the eastern close. this not is not as severe. a storm over expedite is gathering pace, the closer it gets to land. and this has be quite a test on that for chinese authorities. when it comes to a stream, whether it just into life, unprecedented rain, deadly flooding to much the mold in china, and dozens of people with children em, let's say. unfortunately, thanks to hi, i'm a change. unlikely to say more of these deadly extreme weather events in china. katrina you out to 0 staging. many people in pakistan and say that being said high electricity bills and are refusing to pay them, they say they can't afford to pay is the outs as a spending outstrips the earnings. high electricity

jennings. >> great memories. >> jennings and dobbs played in santa fe. they connected on this hail mary to beat georgia back in 2016. they will be on opposite sides this week. >> i say, take his leg away from him. as long as we can do that, i can take care of my man. >> dobbs is 1 for 95 yards this season. he is also one of four quarterbacks that have started all three games and not thrown an interception. the other, tj stroud, justin herbert, and brock purdy, who has not picked off in 190 consecutive passes going back to last year. with the red and gold report, i'm vern glenn. >>> he is a young dog with an old soul and he is marking one year at the animal shelter. how you can help find him his forever home. >>> do you ever look in the mirror or at a photo and wish you could brighten up your smile? i have, for years but i am worried about the harsh treatments i have found. i was really excited to find this teeth whitening powder. this is a natural teeth whitener neighed with coconut and activated charcoal which is safe and gentle on our teeth and gums. t

so, ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming m t connolly and chris jennings chris jennings. oh. wow. rock star. i used to my father a he used to play recitals and you know, i would just move piano and that's how i feel tonight. so. first of all, thank you so much for coming out tonight. we it means the world to me and to us. it couldn't be a more important issue. and i have to say, this issue in particular is special to all of us. there is, as rosalyn carter, as i'll paraphrase her, all of us are either past or future givers or recipients of caregiver, caregiving. and i have to say, this story that empty has conveyed to us for this wonderful evening and for this through this book really talks about in a very compelling way the challenges they face and how best to deal with them. i want to also say to you right. you know, many of you, i can tell our such fans of empty, but she is that person that was just introduced she is a special human being. it's a thrill to be with her and share the stage with her. she is not only an elder law and aging advocate, but she someone who can

jen? would you like to try men? jen: which part? karen: public-private partnerships and the challenges moving forward. how do you adapt and make it work for a space mission? jen: i look at it more broadly than just a specific divination and more about commercial partnerships and integration. i will caveat that i think contractor, space systems commands are not necessarily spots. we have a number of programs of record that provide capabilities, but there is the vendor lock. they have traditionally gone to large companies that are incumbent. what the general has started with the leadership of the kernel is the commercial space office. there's a number of entities underneath that office to try to help companies from the very low trl stages all the way through ready to sell service. if you are looking for information on how to navigate space force acquisition, or how to get enough cl information you would go to the front door. that office is standing up a website to make the response time faster and to get more information out there. as companies start to grow, you might need coinvestment's to help move the technology along. space force, which is a part of -- but

jennings. >> me and dobbs, a great night. jennings and dobbs work college teammates had tennessee. they connected on this hail mary to beat georgia back in 2016. they will be on opposite sides this week when jennings has some advice for the 49ers defense. >> i think take his legs away from him. >> as long as we can do that, we can take care of my man. >> dobbs has run for 90 yards this season, fifth most by a quarterback and he is also one of four order backs that has started all three games and not thrown an interception. the other, c.j. stroud, justin herbert and brock purdy, who has not been picked often 190 consecutive passes going back to last year. for the red and gold report, i'm vern glenn. >>> back in action. now that the writers strike is over, which shows are making a come back in just a matter of days? >>> i'm meg oliver in philadelphia. this is one of several stores still shut down after more than 100 people stole everything from iphones and shoes to clothes. we will have more on the increase in retail theft, coming up tonight on the cbs evening news with norah o'donnell. >>> coming up tonight, what started as a family activity has transformed into a campaign to make san francisco bea

jennings bryan. william jennings bryan ran first whistle stop campaign where actually went out to the people traveled thousands and thousands of miles across the united states. that's also part of the first modern presidential campaign. a candidate actually going out mckinley, want to do this? first of all, his wife had health issues. he did not want to leave her. he was such a good doting husband on his wife. so he didn't want leave her. also, william jennings bryan was known as a very, very good orator he felt he would suffer by comparison. so what happens is they set up this front porch campaign where were if he can't go to the voters, they're going to bring the voters to him. they load hundreds of thousands of people on special trains come into canton. they get off the train, marched to his front porch. he comes on the front porch. he's already been briefed on who these people are, where they're from what their main issues are is, oh, well look, we have these people here. oh, well, by the way, let me to you about tariffs. you know, and that was how he his message across and this was a very, very effective. you can do that when you have a lot of money to spend. and so when the election is actually and he really sells the idea of gold, he is a gold bug. he really believes in gold standard. and william jennings bryan, a big advocate of the free coinage of silver. and again, this is where people were literally getting knocked down, drag out

jen. >> jen, oh, my god. >> okay. >> that's loser talk. >> right. it's also the biggest issue that's there. >> right. >> biden has started talking about it more, which i think is good, joking about it. whether the president himself points out, "hey, this guy is also old and also having -- and also misspeaks," like, i'm not sure that i would use the president for that. but i think that there is -- i do have a concern. let's look at the nbc poll, for example. biden's favorability dropped three points to the lowest ever in the nbc poll. three points is not a lot. it's in the margin of error, whatever. but you look at trends. normally, when your favorability rating drops, you can point to something, like gas prices went up, or there's some problem that, you know, explains why there is a drop. in the last three months, nothing has really happened that should make the president's approval rating drop, right? there is nothing sort of outside politics that's happened. so i think the republican attacks might be having an impact, as you noted, the stuff about hunter might be having an impact. that suggests you should be fighting back. you don't have to use the president for that. there are surrogates. there are people who can go on television who are not the president that can be making the points that joe did earlier. now, you know, i think also the way the white house is looking at this, we have 13 months between now and the election in 2024 to recreate or create a new majority coalition that will vote for biden. they think, what you need to know now is, you need to make sure those people know that there is a good reason to vote for joe biden because everything is accomplished and will do, not just because of trump is bad. if you just do trump is bad, that'll drag everybody down and make everybody feel their choices are bad. they want people to feel good about this choice, and they want to do that work now. i think you can do both things at once. i think you can do that work -- because, by the way, a lot of that happens through digital ads or other communication -- and the president can be talking about, you know, today he is going to the uaw. he can hit really hard. first president of the united states to go to a picket line. it's a sacrament for union workers, for a president to do that. he can hit trump really hard, what he didn't do as president to help these people. you know, on substance. then you can have other people that are making this argument about how incredibly unfit that he is. >> you know, great points all. i will say, what i learned very quickly in politics is, if you run away from an attack ad, if you run away from an attack, you lose. it always catches you from behind. you always lose. if you go right into the attack and use it and pummel it and turn it against your opponent, you win. i've seen it happen time and time again. i remember being attacked in 1996 for being part of those mean republicans who cut medicare. the aflfio spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking republicans who cut medicare. even though, even though the medicare trustee said he had to lower the rate of growth on medicare or it'd go bankrupt in seven years, so we did the right thing. my friends who were freshmen that year with me, they ran away from the attack. i ran straight into it. after being attacked in my first debate, i said, you know what? every debate from now on, i'm not going to talk about education. i'm not going to talk about defense. i'm not going to talk about -- i'm going to talk about why i had to lower medicare costs. that's all i'm going to talk about. win or lose, i don't really care, because i'm going to -- you're not going to be able to lie about me. so i did it throughout the entire campaign. i told the story to some people on this show before. right before the election, i got a phone call. it was glen bolger, public opinion strategy. he asked me, congressman, what are you going on senior citizens? i panicked and thought, oh, boy, maybe i shouldn't have talked about medicare. i asked why. he said, because of the 150, 200 people we polled for, members, you have the highest number among senior citizens. it's outrageously high. what did you do? i said, glen, i told them the truth. i told them the truth. i won by another massive landslide. nobody ever ran against me again. that was the end, basically. no democrat took me on after that. i ran two more races unopposed by democrats. jen, that's why i think they need to go straight into the fire. >> yeah. >> if i were joe biden, i wouldn't let an opportunity go up. somebody asked about donald trump, i'd say, "well, you need to ask barack obama that question because that's who he thinks he's running against this year." or if it's about the republican party, go, "i don't know. talk to donald trump. he says he beat george w. bush in 2016. says he beat barack obama in 2016." i mean, you've got to hammer it, hammer it, hammer it. then, after that, you can turn. actually tell people how well you're doing. but i want to underline this point that you said. joe biden's numbers, regardless of what the polls are saying, are not going down because the economy. i can show you numbers that say three out of four americans think they're doing pretty well right now in the economy. his numbers are going down because this "he's too old" message has stuck. the white house has had their head in the sand. if they want to get on the right s

and this is going to a wild ride because there's so much to cover, especially in jen's book. because jen parker, one of the greatest change agents ever met to making sure that government actually works for you. and so absolutely it is well said that and it's being said by the greatest change agent so. well let me get humbling as well as because this is live going to be on the radio. let me just of give a quick high line as of all the amazing things you've done. you founded code for america, a nonprofit that makes sure government is for the people, by the people, the digital age. you not only did that, you co-founded the us digital response in wake of covid to help governments respond more quickly to critical. you were chief deputy chief technology officer for the united states, the us digital service and what people don't realize about that you did that at great expense your family to serve your daughter was in high school at that time and you were traveling back and forth to d.c. you were also on the defense innovation board for both president obama and president trump to help to transf

jen's book. because jen parker, one of the greatest change agents ever met to making sure that government actually works for you. and so absolutely it is well said that and it's being said by the greatest change agent so. well let me get humbling as well as because this is live going to be on the radio. let me just of give a quick high line as of all the amazing things you've done. you founded code for america, a nonprofit that makes sure government is for the people, by the people, the digital age. you not only did that, you co-founded the us digital response in wake of covid to help governments respond more quickly to critical. you were chief deputy chief technology officer for the united states, the us digital service and what people don't realize about that you did that at great expense your family to serve your daughter was in high school at that time and you were traveling back and forth to d.c. you were also on the defense innovation board for both president obama and president trump to help to transform the department of defense. and you chaired newsom's strike team on unemployment insurance during the pandemic. much what you were about to get into and you've won so many incredible about this and as was mentioned you know being also named as one of the most important policy books for anybody to actually to understand how government works and. so thank you for being here at the commonwealth club and congratulations on the book. let me start with with one of the favor quotes i hear you say and, it just always sticks for me and something i myself repeating, which is government is who shows up. what does that mean? and why is so important? i think really easy to be frustrated with government. many of us are pretty frequently. it's also easy to forget the great things that government does. that becomes invisible. but it's a lot more meaningful to get in there and figure out how to make it work than it is to complain about it. and i think people who go to work in government haven't and haven't worked before are often shocked at. the ways in which they get to make the decision as that it is a sort of corollary saying, you know, decisions are made by those who show up and you really do have a chance to shape government. if you're if you're willing to to dig in. well, how do you so how did you become one of the people who showed up or and continues to show up? where did that come from? well, when when obama was this? why not even further back? how did you get. because i think someone let's look at your background. they wouldn't have said, oh, you're the person that's going to going to show up to government and do these kind of jobs within. yes. well, i think many people would at my skills and say she can't be very helpful and that i can't code i can't design and i don't know that much about government still after all of these years you know my first job out of college i worked for a child welfare and ended up working in media. we were doing the web 2.0 conferences back when that was a big thing with my now husband tim o'reilly and it was sort of recognizing the power or of that sort of second wave of the internet participate story lightweight the things that moved very quickly and really well for people that we realized the best application those principles and values would in government. i mean that's really the thing that's supposed to work for all of us. and so when obama was obama's success in being elected was sort of credited to the several of us sort of started to say, okay, well if it can help him get elected can help him govern better. and that was really the beginning of my journey to, you know, realizing that we we could bring people in, get them involved, people who not thought about government work. and that was the beginning of code for america and when as you were going along and starting for america and starting to talk about with government, you know, for many people out there, it's the first year we see government is maybe we go to the dmv, maybe we we try to we try pay our taxes. we get frustrated with these forums oftentimes or other services, we wait in a line. what was that? talk to us a little bit about what that moment you realized we can actually do something as you're interacting with these government. i think the first moment i really realized this was was going to work was first year of code for america. we had a team of fellow us program doesn't really rely on fellows anymore, but when we started it was a service program essentially, and had a team working with the city of boston and they had a problem where they'd changed, how kids were allowed choose or the parents were choosing the schools for the kids. so they were trying to make it more walkable and the city had a really big problem sort of communicating this the way they normally communicated it was a 28 page printed brochure in sort of 8.40, you know this all about these different schools but it didn't help you know if the school was in your zone it was really a mapping problem. and so these these wonderful technologists and designers that were working the city that year got together and they made, you know, a pretty simple that allowed you to put in your address and the age of your kid and whether there were kid any siblings in another public and it would tell you which schools kids could go to and they know they did it in about eight weeks. and when they were when they were able to show it to their partners in you know, they were just blown away. they said if if you had done this through normal channels would have taken at least two years and cost at least $2 million. but now we it for parents. now so that much faster and you know almost no cost really and it works they like using it it look like a consumer application instead of a government application. and the head of the boston public schools, you know, you're just changed our relationship with parents it's and i think that was when i started to realize this isn't just about cheaper this isn't just about you know make it look like twitter something you know i had a very naive ideas i think back then about what i thought would make a difference. it is about relationship to government whether they believe governments really there for them or not. and imagine having that for two years you know, two years has been rolling kids through. note without without a map to help them out that that's it really started to become meaningful for. so you know that was almost 15 years ago oh was it just the what the reason i bring this up and i wanted to start talking about your entry point is you know over that arc you've seen so things and you've done so many in government and the culmination is is in this fantastic book. yeah. what led to this moment to write the book and give a very very unvarnished take on it actually takes to make things work in government. well have been on a journey from thinking just need better tech and government to realizing that it is something much deeper than that and i have seen so many people fighting the fight to get the right outcomes for people not just a better website, but it's not the website that matters. it's whether you get your snap benefits. it's whether veterans their benefits. it's whether we the vaccinations out to the people and they're all fighting for the system to work for people and i want try to explain to the american public to our elected leaders or to anybody who cares what needs to change for them to be to succeed. now they are increasingly succeeding. but it's still a really battle. and i and i really want the people who have the power to change the environment in which these fighters are fighting and make it easier for them. so trying to, you know, get past preaching to the choir and talk those who can make this make a difference for them. mm hmm. well, let's a particular let's take one of those problems and dig in to one of them, because i think it's so to see, because so many times they think we think of government. as i mentioned earlier, go to get our driver's license. maybe we need to pay taxes like we touch only a little bit of. oftentimes, you know, especially from many of us come from privileged place where we don't have to deal with our knee to require other services. but you really go into the details of this. could you pick one of the ones that you find that really showcases how you would wish the american public and our audience out there to really understand that easy. we were all very frustrated in that first year of covid that unemployment insurance systems in every state buckled under the load. i mean it was quite an increase. and you many places tenants sometimes for more than that number of applications some just this is because of stay at home orders people having layoffs. yes and then need to now qualify for benefits federal government gives it says states you have a ton of money to give out and that's you have a ton of money to give and you have a ton of people who are suddenly unemployed and need their unemployment insurance benefits. and many them really it's not a nice to have it to have to have. and we need to them their checks in a reasonable amount of time and as ken mentioned, governor newsom asked me to co-chair a strike with the secretary of government operations, yolanda richardson, and brought in some other folks to help and go really be on the ground. and i think one of the things people don't realize is you've just got to see the systems from the bottom up in order to be able to understand what's going wrong. now, when we came in, the governor and the legislature, everybody had said, obviously, this is a big problem. throw any resources we can at it. they had brought people back who had retired, but more importantly, they had hired about 5000 people to come help process these claims and i think they were missing something important there, which we learned through my colleague marina nitze. i was there on the ground working with these claims process thursday after day and one of them is she would ask them sorts of questions. one of them said to her, you know, i kept saying i'm the new guy. i'm not quite sure how. answer that question. let me go ask the other guys. and he said that enough times finally said, well, how long have you worked here? and he said, well, only worked here 17 years. the folks worked who really know how this system works have been here for 25 years or longer. now, this wasn't somebody who knew how the technology worked. it wasn't the back end coders. it was a claims processor. that is how complex. the policy and regulations and processes govern unemployment insurance in california are. it's. california is not unique if you think about it unemployment insurance derives the social security act of 1935. so since 35, you have and state you you have the judicial legislative and executive branches all piling changes and changes over and nobody ever goes back and says okay this is what the rules look now this this is this is what we in fact, you know, i'm fond of saying people think that like a binder of regulations, there is no binder, there's just a steady stream of changes for what's now almost years. in fact, if the new state the union tomorrow and went to the federal department of labor and said great give me the rolls we're going to set up a new system. they literally cannot them there's there's literally binder and that's the complex with which our public servants you're expecting 5000 new people to learn it just like that to process. so you so the when you realize that's happening this was marina's immediate insight was if it takes 25 years to learn how to do this what are those 5000 people doing? well, not only were they not able to help process claims, but they were taking up the time of the experience claims processors and they were the bottleneck, obviously. i mean, certain number of claims can only be handled by, you know, actual claims process. they're not going to go through the automatic sort of assembly line that we were hoping to get more on and because of that, every person that the state of california hired, speed processing, slowed down processing of claims. and you just look at that situation and there's nobody in there trying to make this hard. there's no one intentionally saying, let's give people their unemployment benefits except in the state of florida. well, that may be true. florida is a unique situation, but you know, the governor and the legislature have opened up the pocketbooks, spend whatever you want the claims processors are working. oh, my god. i think they were just all of them working 18 hour days. the management just like never stopped everyone was trying drunk. so so hard. but you have a system that isn't going to scale until you simplify it. and i think, you know, when i went in said we know what's wrong it's the cabal there. is this about the programing cobol a programing language that is famously dates back to 1959. yeah, that sounds really bad. it sounds like. oh, this terrible. of course it won't because there's code in there from 1959. well the codes not from 1959, the programing language is from 1959 when you buy a plane ticket, you're using cobol. i mean there's many systems that scale beautifully in this country that rely heavily on cobol, in fact, more heavily, i think, than a lot the unemployment systems. the problem is the complexity of the policy which then drives complexity and fragility in the tech systems but, i don't think we're ever going to solve that problem until actually fix. so you get in there, you kind of look at this you're able to find some process my reading of is really it was a bunch of process we just said reassign those people yeah get them to the right places and look at the things in the in a in a more clever way to get through this and that got you that you and your team helped get california through that phase. yes, through that phase. everyone is ai is like we're off of that problem. is anyone going back and saying, hey this? we still just have layers and layers. it's like it's like you imagine like one of these things like you look at sediment in like a cliffside, exactly like disaster recovery that appeared to us. yeah. who's whose job is it to refactor this? so reevaluate this or rip it down and rebuild it in a good way. that is exactly the right question to ask. and i don't even know who knows how to answer it. i think it's generally true that it is often nobody's to design a system that works. it is very frequently. a lot of people's job to operate the system that they've been given that system is in a crisis of layers over the years. and this is this is true very very broadly and have to redesign such that it is someone's job to actually actively design something that is made to work in this and age for the people it's supposed to work. who is going to do that? in the end of the day, it's not going happen, i think until everybody decides that we're going to hold our elected leaders to that kind of change, that needs to happen. i think when the problem with government is that when it is no one's job, it becomes our job. you know, one of the things that you you talk about in that i didn't actually it never really jumped out at me in the way that you as you put it in the book, is that there's no one's actual job to make sure that government solves. problem is. there's a somebody job to make sure it's legal, but there's nobody's job. solve the problem. well, i think that our elected would say it's their job to the bureaucracy. the executive branch, the administrative agencies responsible for doing what they told to do. right. congress has a couple of levers. it writes rules, allocates money, and it does oversight. but the problem that they hold the agencies accountable to outcomes but. the public servants are often up for hearings front of congress. in fact, i saw this, you know, firsthand and in a very painful and powerful way when i was working with the people at, the fed, and they were being called up in front of hearings thing, of course, during healthcare.gov like, there's ten hearings during the first month of the failure of health dot gov and at the same all do the job supposed to be getting the site back up. well, remember this even during the collapse of silicon valley bank, the secretary of treasury is testifying and you're like, wait a second, something should they helping this bank that's about to fail. right, right. so i appreciate that. that's what our elected leaders to do. but they're calling those public servants up and them accountable to the outcome that they expected without a recognition that those public servants are held accountable their day jobs to process and procedure not to outcome jobs. that is what they get hired on rewarded on. they get promoted for having clean record where they didn't violate you policy or procedure. so they're in a trap. i call it an accountability trap. i mean, you pointed this out. if i got this right, you quote about a national the national academy for public administration, finding that they found that only 16% of their members and these are really top notch policy people are like secretaries of state, treasury. and they found that only 16 of their members considered proficient at designing policy is that can actually be implement it. and i think there's a huge frustration amongst what i hope this is an insulting term i call the policy class in the book i think there's an increasingly increasing frustration amongst the policy class that what they do doesn't work know how to write laws. they know how to allocate money. they know how to oversight. and none of those things are working. and when i say policy, i mean not just, yeah, former secretaries of state, i mean also, you know, congress allocated a ton of money during the pandemic. some of worked great and a lot of it didn't. they just feel like, okay, i'm putting my paddle, you know, i've got car here, we're pressing on the gas the car should go faster and in a lot of cases, it sort of doesn't. and they're going, wait, what's wrong here? and in part, i wrote the book for so that they can understand what they need to do differently if they want to have that car be responsive again. well you at one of the stories you talk about is concrete boats. yeah. and the story you tell about the where people are held to the line. well, maybe i should just ask you us the story of concrete boats i was working in white house for a year trying to stand up, became the united states did full service. and one of the things we did was to sort of started doing these projects that we would be illustrative of how usgs eventually work. so i had a team of up to technologists who'd come in for a short time to work with me on a problem that we understood at the department. veterans affairs with the veterans benefit management system, one of the things we had heard was that there was very high latency, which means that if you're processing, you know, an application, you hit a button to go to the next screen and you have to wait a very long time and. we met this leader who i call in the book, kevin and, sort of our first day on the job or talking to him about, you know, what's, what's work. we're here to fix. and one of the first things he says to me is, i'm so glad the white house has sent somebody to verify that nothing is wrong. you know, it's all taken care. and we found out later that the way he had taken care of it was defined latency as over 2 minutes. so if you clicked, waited for one minute and 59 seconds, you were not to latency. so he had sort of defined the problem away which was my my first clue about how he was leading. this is like how my kids you find cleaning the room exactly. it's like, no, no, no i've my performance is awesome. exactly. set the bar so much like how marina was talking to this claims processors asking a bunch of questions we were asking kevin questions about why had vrms been written this way why did they make this decision decision and he kept saying, i don't know. you're going to have to ask the program people or you're going to have to ask the the policy team or, you know, he kept deflecting. and i him why and he said, look, i have spent my entire career teaching my team to have an opinion on the requirements, which is completely contrary to how i thought about building technology. fact, i had sort of come to washington to get people like kevin a more of a seat at the table so that we could have a better conversation. he doesn't want the seat, he doesn't want it, and he if they tell us to build a concrete boat, we'll build a concrete boat and said, why? and he said, because that way when it doesn't work, it's not our fault. and at the time, the statistic was that 18 veterans a day were committing suicide, in part because did not have access to their benefits. and i remember very well sitting in that cafe outside of the white and feeling like i had been punched in the gut and i still feel that way. but i also know that what he was saying is, in a certain sense, true. the system is set up for. people not to have that responsibility. what was saying was, is held. he is held accountable for checking all the boxes and he was checking all the boxes. it's the system that i felt punched in the gut by in the end, this is one of the things and you bring this up also in your book which is one of the things that i learned is user research and implementation. that whole theory that we think is silicon valley phenomena was actually started by the government. the government is one that actually created that whole idea. yes. can you walk us through little bit of that? yes. i mean just as background, i mean, this is this practice that's very common in technology. well, i think it's necessary in any consumer technology, where you expect people to able to use it without reading a manual that has happened because user have understood, you know, the people who are going to use service or this technology and watch them it and tested and done all these to make sure it's easy to use and yes we absolutely identify that now with sort of you know easy to use tech out of silicon valley and other but it affects the human centered design and essentially started in after world war two or during world war two when we were trying to get planes that would fly better and these to colonels in the air force saw that these some of these planes that had been built for incredible performance like they could fly really well had a terrible what we would now call user interface like different switches that did you know very different things were right next to each other and it easy to get them confused so they kept saying you know there's there's wrong with these planes and mechanical technically there wasn't but most of them weren't flying because they were they were crashing, they were killing. the you know, they'd go up and then they'd crash and kill people. but they the problem wasn't with the specs. the problem was how the pilots were them. for a long time they called them pilot and they're like, this can't be pilot. all of like the best pilots are getting these things confused. and so these two colonels worked on know changing the controls and making this one red and this one green and putting them in the right places so that, you know, in a moment of you could do the right thing and. that's that was called human factors and it became human centered design. it started in the government. where did the government lose it? i think we lost it in part because. we decided to outsource everything not just technology although technology definitely got caught up in this huge enthusiasm, outsourcing, but, you know, in the sixties we to define through memos and statutes this idea of what is inherently governmental and what is inherently a commercial, and it's called commercial. and there these two concepts and i think, you know, for a long time it was like kind of made sense right? there are these like big computers and have to buy a lot of them and processing time, you know, all this stuff. yes that's a commodity. we're going to buy it from who know how to build it. this is not something that the government should try do itself. so it became something defined as commercial. but computing changed a lot and it became something that was much more. and we missed that. we missed that boat. we said, nope, this is something that we will buy, not something we do. but anybody who has run tech enabled businesses knows that software isn't something. i mean, sure you're going to buy slack or microsoft word. those are commodities. we get that. but you're trying to actually run your business on technology. it has to be something you do. it has be adaptable you need to be able to change it as your needs change and if you don't have that core competency in-house to do that you kind of can't meet people's needs. and we we missed the part where we needed to re re figure out what part needed to be in-house, what are the core competencies that we need to have inside of so that we can kind of outsource government we have outsourced government. we certainly outsource digital government. and i have to be clear, i'm not calling for like bring all technology development back inside of government. it's not going to work and it's impractical and it's probably not even a good idea. but we have to start asking ourselves. what are the core competency that government needs today and how do we how do we have them? how do we build them? because we can't just keep saying, oh, sorry, that was the vendor's fault when it doesn't work, it's, it's, it's our job to deliver the service and we do it now through a lot technology. before we switch gears some solutions, you know, you talk about this in the which i thought was a really great we think of as it is and to quote you is it's policy vomited on to success and you many times i feel like that is like you get this piece of paper from the government mean it took me filling security clearances takes like close to 100 hours of work to fill out everything you get asked all these random questions some of them don't make sense you actually tell a story about that but you also talk about how much time is spent on these these things and it's and to quote you it's americans spend 10.5 billion hours a year about 42 hours per adult on paperwork just for the federal government. and that doesn't even include the state and local sectors. you know, i imagine government people are also having to fill out paperwork and they recognize this. so where's the gap gap as as, you know, in terms of that usability and trying to make sure the government works us well, you know, it's also you mentioned earlier, i just want to call out i mean, that number many of us don't spend those hours right. many of us have a lawyer that can, you know, file the immigration papers us or we have a tax accountant or not applying for snap. and it's there's huge difference between how much we're exposed to that paperwork burden based on our privilege. and i think that's something we need to recognize is, yes, government employees are also frequently frustrated by not only the paperwork that that that they have to put out the world but the paperwork that they're required to do, i mean, a good example of that is, you know, a lot of what gets done in our country is federal grants that go to states and local communities and, you know, don't think for a minute that governments aren't frustrated by the paperwork burden of other levels government. so the smaller that need those grants the most are the least likely to get them because they don't have people who know how to find the grant, fill out all the paperwork, you know, get it through those grants, go to the communities that already those resources, you know, what's what's the gap? i think the gap is, the empowerment to say i don't just have to and i'm sorry. well, repeat that awful word vomit the policy into the it's just a when when you see public servants get that oh wait there's a process that goes in middle that's called design says what information do we need from them now what information can we collect later. do we need to collect all information? how do we make this as as possible for them? and you know, and very often do we even need to do this at all? i mean, i start and end the book on a that that code for america ran and is still running to clear criminal records where you know where it started you know really almost a whole of persisting through gathering information from police departments other but actually let's step back and frame this problem because i think it's such an important it's a such an important lens on the problem. so can you step back and sort of frame the big problem so? i think now far more than half of the states have marijuana in some way or form through, you know, ballot initiatives or laws passed and when we do that, we also say so the people in, our state who have a former felony record from marijuana need to have that expunged off their record. you know, having that felony means you can't get a job. you can't get public housing. there's all these things that make it incredibly hard to from incarceration. so let's get that record off. but that process of expungement was sort of assumed to be again, because no one designed it. it just accrued over the years to be this of year long process of going and finding your rap sheets from, various places and filling out and filing them in other places, then waiting to hear back. there's no like single place you can just say delete it. well, there there needs to be an ad that's really where the team came from. like there was i would say years of us watching people to get through this process and thinking how can we streamline it? how can we streamline until we realized you don't need to streamline, it doesn't need to exist at all. what that felony record is, is a field in a database and it is not that to have software tell you who are all the people in this database who have that particular record know that particular like a google doc or something else. it's like control. yeah, exactly. if it's it's a little bit more complicated, but not that much more complicated than that, really. but the imagine nation to say, oh, that's what we need to do is find the records, change them in the database. you know, we sometimes just, you know, don't even dare to dream. i mean, you know, and but we when we did and we started doing it sort of became became possible. and i think that's the kind of thinking that needs to spread. like do we need to streamline this paperwork or do we need to get of it? well, it's almost stunning because when you think about this in this type thing, a law gets passed and you just assume that law gets pushed out to all the people that are impacted it does in this case, it turns out everyone's got to apply. and so people don't even know about it. and so i think it was christine de soto that teamed up with and yusor said, hey, look, we should just go tackle this. and i'm curious, like, as christine de soto was the chief of staff, the district attorney, san francisco, george. well, and then the reason i'm bringing her name up here is not only because it's amazing work, but what what got her as that person really is like. in a different way is going to help and what does that tell for how we should think about other policy out there. christine is a great example. one of those public servants who does ask that question, you know, why does it have to be that way? and there are lot of them, many more, i think, than people realize. and i think also in this room, the that i think there's this like magic that happens that i've seen happen over and over again. and there's some stories in the book of this of somebody who knows what's possible, given today's and somebody who knows possible, given the law and policy coming together and going, oh, wait, something totally different is possible here. and yet, chris, christine is just a fantastic servant who was able to work with some members of the staff at code for america, including jasmine latimer, who i write about in the book. and they, you know, they brought their perspectives to the table and fundamentally changed how we how we do this. well, let's switch to some solutions. okay. and maybe walk us through your framework of what do we need to do to get this right, especially given that the biden-harris has gotten let's signed into law, the largest spending that is ever about to happen in, we're going to implement a whole bunch of things. we're going to try. we're going to try. and and you talk about this also in the book of the cost. yes of what happens when these things fail, just raw dollars costs. how do how do we get this right and not just throw away this singular opportunity to build systems in a way are going to serve american public? well, let's talk for a second about what that opportunity looks like right now. so the chips science act has to work, right? we need to have more resilient supply chains. it's a matter of national security and economic development. it has to work. the inflation reduction act, the parts i'm most familiar with, are the parts that are designed electrify our country, that we can avoid a climate collapse. it's our shot. it is our shot. sure, more stuff is going have to happen later. but if we don't get this, we haven't bought the time for the rest of that stuff to happen. so you might think about the ira being not a perfect law no laws are ira being the inflation reduction act. it is literally our shot. we to implement this and that's going to mean a whole bunch of things have to go right that often don't go right so. people need to be able to get their rebates, their heat pumps. they need to get their tax credits for electrical upgrades like all that stuff doesn't just happen right. public servants do it and they make choices about how to do it and they can choose to do in the policy vomit sort of way this is what the law says. so that's what the form will be. or they can design something. you and i and everyone else in this room will find so easy that we'll do it right. that's the whole point of these incentives. it's so i want to try to do in the book was really give examples public servants who have made the right choices sometimes you know under duress and with real risk to themselves that because they made those choices programs that they were administering worked for people and got the outcomes that the law had another person who's like christine who i profiled pretty extensively in the book is a woman named yadira sanchez and one thing have to know about your idea is she's now been at the centers for medicare and services, which is known as cms, part of our health and human services agency for i think, 25 years. it's the only job she's ever had is her first job. so she's not somebody who's like a white knight. the tech industry, she's this is she's not some political appointee out of political get another job. she's she's in the thick of it. she's and you know the thing that she just cares so deeply about the agency's mission she understands critical it is that we improve health care in this country and medicare and medicaid are big big drivers of that you get that right. the whole rest of the industry follows in a certain way. so she's in it project manager there for many years already doing a better job than i her peers in the sense that she wanted to outside of the lines things like user research where we were talking about earlier wasn't required i mean really never talked about but she would do it anyway she would be asked to go train people and she would say, well, i'm going to use this as opportunity to ask them what parts of this do they like? what parts of them are they going to actually use? what doesn't work for them? so she was always sort of, you know, good trouble, so to speak. then healthcare.gov has floundering of trying to give the right word for that. somebody said, i call it the troubles, but reminder that actually quite succeeded in its first enrollment period. but boy, was it rocky in the beginning. you know, the first day, i think only eight people were able to enroll in health care through healthcare.gov in 2013. and she was one of the people who are thrown this problem of fix it. you know, we are our former boss, todd parker well, because he didn't work directly. todd did you? i can't remember. well, that devoted. yes, we've worked together of many, many so so people like todd park were brought in from the outside. but a lot of the people who fixed healthcare.gov were people like yadira, who were just there at cms and knew how to make it work. but and she she did some amazing stuff. but the thing that came out of that was she learned the word agile development and user centered design. she never heard these terms. she was doing them, but she didn't have a framework them. and so she comes out of that with this absolute passion for making cms better based on what she's learned and cms never have a disaster like this again. i mean it has it part party it it hasn't it it not only has not but she they got given their next you know implementation of a law called macra the medicare access and chip reauthorization act. and she's like this one. we're going to get right now. this was and this is way harder is way way harder than affordable care act implementation. healthcare.gov. well, yes. and it's very different. so essentially she this is a program that will doctors better for better quality care value based care. so her users in this case are not the general public. i was trying to sign up for for health care through the exchanges. it's doctors are, by the way like already hugely frustrated with the cms. the interfaces they're asked to use to submit their quality data and they're billing already drive them nuts. they never if they've done it right, you know, they they put in this file and they're like, it's a black hole. and if i got it wrong and, i submitted my data in the wrong format. i like don't get paid. and now i had a year stress about this. so they know that this new law is going to give them a new and the only thing they hate more than. what they have is the thought of having to learn something new and equally bad. and so people are projecting that because of this, millions of doctors is going to walk away from taking medicare patients, which is to degrade the quality of care, not improve it. that that's congress wanted to improve it. but this is going to the quality of care. so she knows that it's not about like uptime this new website it's about will it work for those doctors? will they solve the problem? will they be able to use it and not leave you know, leave leave the program and the things that she does to get that right and other people there's a ucsd's team there initially and woman named natalie cates who's pushes back on the first set of things. so the first thing that happens is they're supposed make a website that just explains this to doctors before they have the way that they have to file their quality data. and she's like okay. well, we'll write it up. first thing they have to do is decide whether tell cms whether they're an individual doctor, you know in private or a medical group and there are nine different definitions, a medical group. and she's like, well, never going to work. but i think in the past, you know, it would be kevin building the concrete. but well, what they said, that's what we're going to do and this team says we cannot do it that way they push and push back and push back eventually get to two different definitions of a group. they don't get to one, but that starts them out on a path where they pushing back on the policy team and saying famously, i think this is a line that i will always remember. they say the then i get that it's complicated. it has to make sense to a person. and over and over again they make the choice that makes sense to a person. and when they ship that program called the quality payment program that was required by this law, macra, the call centers are braced for angry doctors calling to yell at them and instead they're calls saying something must be wrong. this is too easy. doctors love it. there is not a mass exodus from medicare and you know, more in a certain sense. more importantly. the cms team is like we, got this, we know how to do this now. and they keep going on that. and my last story of yadira, you know, this minor thing that comes down for her to implement regulation from from congress saying you're going to give these data extracts out on pharmaceutical so that the ecosystem can use them. you know a little bit about the and she's the law says you will give these quarterly extracts and she knows that there's a nine month process to package up this data and it's not the right way to do it and that there's something an application programing interface an api that would allow those same, you know, people in the ecosystem that want to have access to data to just plug in and, use it any time they want. it's not wouldn't be a slice of data every but constant access to it she's like, well what's a we're going to do to do an api? and when i tell this story, people they're like, well, she can't do that. that's what congress said to do. but it's what congress wanted her do. all right, it's better, faster and cheaper and gets the outcome that congress and that's kind of thing that we need to be lifting up. when we talk about congressional oversight, we always about calling up public servants and yelling at them because they did something wrong. we never call up your diaries, sanchez, and say thank you. interpreting what we said in the right way and being i don't know, slightly disobedient because you got us the outcome that we need that kind of oversight that reward grid's public servants for making the choices that makes these systems make sense to people. you're here, you dedicate the book, actually, to public. this is public servants. how many the public servants here. stand up, please. or people who've been a public servant? thank you for all done. and i see several people in the who i know have made those choices and i know they have felt the stress of choices. and i just wish we all knew how to thank them, reward them more often and those public servants who are listening out there also, thank you for all that you have done and many of the question i have to tell you in all my time doing this, i've never gotten this many. and so this is great. and many of the questions actually are from people who have worked in public service or i want to work in public service and they're wondering how do you deal with how do you actually become one of these people that you're talking about? how how do you become one of these change agents when you're in that culture of risk averse? you have generation or change that's happening with people don't aren't familiar with some of these tech techniques or technologies. this is the question i get most often and it's the hardest one because i recognize that when someone's asking that question they are trying their hardest and feeling frustrated by a system that feels like it's just so hostile to what want to get done. and i have just a couple of, you know, of sort of quick things that are not easy, but the first one is find community. there. there are allies around you. and when you're having a bad day, you're going to need those those friends. i think every public servant i know who's been able to be anything you or sanchez has done, because they have found like minded people and been able to go to them and and solve problems and get support. and a lot of times it's just emotional support. i mean, the the dedication, the book to public servants everywhere don't give up and that's the thing it's really hard not to give up but it's we only don't give up when we have people around us that help us to help that do that and the other thing that i that, i advise folks to do that when you're in government and you're being blocked, it does not work very well to just go at that barrier. you have to step around and see the issue through the of the person who's blocking you and understand they don't want you to that. empathy. empathy. i have very rarely met a public servant who disagreed with me on you know what i wanted to do, who didn't have a really good reason for believing what he or she and was blocking me because they were protect. they felt like they were protecting government and protecting taxpayer dollars and protecting their fellow public servants. i is they're mostly have unbelief positive intent. so if you see where they're coming from, then you can, i think, sometimes help them see the ways in which what you doing is also trying to honor intent, get the right outcomes for the american public. but you've got to meet on that common ground, instead of just going at each other, we were talking about you and i've talked about this a lot over the years. is that the importance of listening and just asking people where they come from? i remember even a quote for america. we used to teach the early fellows say, just ask them how they got to their job and why they're doing this job and how do they keep their resources. and it's amazing. you hear these and you talk about some of them in the this is why i think it's so important. everyone should this book is is those those that that deep convo to serve and one of the things i want in this is another question of somebody asked i think is fantastic is how do create the incentives for governments or elected officials to both lift up these kind of these practices rather than shaming the just the bad ones? and how do we get them to to clean up the the stagnant layers of policies sediment that have built up? i think that we haven't really even tried yet and so i'm hoping we'll start trying i mean when an official asks you for your vote or your donation do you ever say what are you doing about implementation? do you ever say, what are you doing about policy clutter? no. you say, what law are you to pass that i will like. what policies do you stand for that match my values? so that's very important. i want a public servant. i want the elected officials that i vote for to have something in common with my values. but i also want those values to be in action. and that is implementation. and that's a lot of cleanup work. and they don't think it's their job because we haven't told them. it's their job. what do you advise somebody who wants to get into public interest technology characteristics? what do they need to be prepared for as they go into into the field? well, we already covered the most important one, empathy. we also also talked about persist since, i think, the ability and willingness to go to see it, to see the problem through eyes of the people who are most affected by it. if you're not willing to do that, it will you will be challenged, be effective as a public servant. and i think just, you know, i don't think it has to be a particular but every time i have seen people try their hand, government, you know, dipped their toes in the water. what they get addicted to is the impact they see how much they can really do to help something. and so whatever that is for you, like dip your toes in and see what really what really strikes you the way you can make a big difference. because i have never seen anybody not find something. and one of the questions i get asked the most is, how does where do how do people actually put their skills to? if somebody has skills out there and they're either here in audience or listening on the radio or watching this, what's the advice of? how they should get involved? so there are a lot of ways to involved. obviously. i think should do some working in government. i'm not just talking about tech people. i think any of us will benefit. i know i personally benefited from having a inside government where you to see how the sausage is made and you get to see the frustrations that the people who work for you, you have and you get to realize the impact that you have. you don't have to go straight that though for instance, there's lots of ways that you can work around government. with government, you can do various kinds of volunteering. i will give a shout out to the united states digital response, which is a fantastic way for people with tech and design and data skills to help if you sign up with u.s. digital response, they will find a partner for you in government who needs your exact skills and gets you to be able to help. it started during when there were a lot of governments that needed people to, you know, fix a pipeline or stand up a forum for emergency rental assistance. and they just didn't have the capacity and people came from all over to be that capacity. and that is still needed by the governments and there are people who still want to do it. and a lot of those people i mean, to warn you, if this if you do it have ended up taking time jobs in government because of that impact they saw. so it's a little bit of of feeder but lightweight ways and full time ways but just try it out. there's a line from secretary that he used to say is once you try government, you really can't ever let because there is no higher calling mission. and the ability to scale your individual, i think that you feel that when you go in and it's so much there, what do you when you know in the little remaining time left that we have i want to talk about the political environment is matches up with the implementation of policy and you know we've seen certain states work aggressively use technology to block people out of things there's questions for people are working on issues to implement decisions they may fundamentally disagree with like the decision or the docket database being weaponized to go. people who are legal under the law and what what advice do you have for people who are caught on policy issues that are in the middle of, this this conflict of politics? yeah, i think you're talking about people who are working a government that is by policy and intent not actually serving its people in some cases. that's right. they're not serving the people or the elected officials change by the will of the people. yeah and that changes. so i think it's easy to focus on that. and and while it is always happened, it's not just now. right. we've always seen this. there's a wonderful book called administrative burden by dan moynihan and hurd that talks about all the ways which in which you can defeat policy after it's passed by essentially making the implementation. and that's happened. but that is the minority actually and i think there was another quite a few people that that i and that you knew who were working instance for the obama administration happened be democrats match their values and then trump came into and there was a real question whether they should stay because might be asked to do things that were very inconsistent with their values and i think it happened very little, to be honest and mostly what people found was that there were still problems that needed to be fixed. you still had snap recipients, some stuff crazy with snaps and the public charge role, but most help is equivalent of food stamps. who decides exactly? you. we still needed to make our tax system easy to use. we you know state still needed to provision their services there was so much work that still needed to be done that really wasn't contested and in fact in some ways the trump administration because they're very sort of you know blow it all up ish were actually support of of new approaches and ways. i'm not saying that there wasn't there weren't places of conflict. but i do remember a tweet by a woman named caitlin devine when this all happened that said, you know, to say that you don't need a government that works for people just you don't like the person in office is the height of cynicism. we still need all those functions work and by and large still not working as well as they should. you still have an opportunity to make them better. so i think just find those places where you can have a positive impact. they're going to be the cases where you're going to have to make difficult choices. but i there i would back to something we talked about at the top of the decisions are made by those who show up it's so glad you say it that way because you know, i many people don't realize i started my government time actually under president bush in a department run. rumsfeld, somebody who i disagree with many the policies. yeah, but you don't choose your commander in chief. you don't choose the secretary of defense, but you show up to work on problems and make an and difference. and i chose to stay on the defense innovation board under trump that's where i was going to bring up is you actually not only stayed on the defense innovation trump you joined the defense innovation board at a time where was a fair amount of of pushback and concerns of technology being used in the department of defense. and so what. when you are thinking about the policy things, you try to focus on in those things, how what do you look for? how do you internally for that get that to challenge things? people don't agree with it, but you know this is what the public. i think it just goes back to the people we're trying to serve. so i became passionate. the work of the defense innovation and other change agents inside department of defense. actually, when i when i heard stanley mcchrystal and i realized that all the that i saw in working on snap and criminal justice issues you know were the same inside the department. but the people that we were trying to protect here are, you know, men and women in uniform and that they deserve better. and so for me to go back to that, what is this really about who or what are we trying to do and are we going to act in an ethical way? i mean, and then reminding myself that is why other publics are there to that's just really i think my touchstone i do ultimately believe that and i think i think a lot of people on both all across the ideological spectrum believe this too that we can disagree about what a government policy should be gun control abortion all of these things. but ultimately, if we have a government that cannot do what it says it's going to do, if we have so little state capacity that we can't get it done, that's a very dangerous and that's something that people of all political stripes should come together to fix. and i think there are i the people who care about this bipartisan state capacity there, people on the left who are concerned about state capacity for totally understandable reasons and don't like this idea of making government better at what it's supposed to do. and there are people on the right who i think a lot of folks on the left would say, oh, they don't that like they're you know, they'll actually care deeply about this so that the people who care most about state capacity look like a particular ideological flavor at all. but to go to the defense department, i mean, however, feel about what the military does and i had deeply conflicted feelings about america's military. i had before i won the defense innovation board. i still have those feelings, but the idea that we are just terrible at what we do when what do sometimes involves killing people is even idea we're going to miss and hit the wrong targets. we're going to hit more innocent civilians. we're going to put our own people in greater danger. you know, better for i used is my mom teaching in the kitchen never cut with a don't knife you slip and that's when you hurt yourself when you're cutting a sharp knife you can actually cut what you intended to cut. i completely understand. do not always agree with what we decide to cut. you know, in terms of our military. but i don't want that knife slipping everywhere and just hitting random hitting. i think that's great for almost everything. you talked about. and secretary carter, the late secretary carter who appointed you to defense, a very sound board used to say security. security is like oxygen. yeah. you only know when you need it. we lost a great man when we lost ash carter. and in particular, i think about all the serve, the public servants, everyone is out there who's building these systems. this is their oxygen. so i just want to thank you, jen, for all the work that you've in public service, all the the unbelievable amount of things that you've created to benefit the entire country. and i just want to congratulate you on your book recorded america why government is failing the digital age and how we can do better. it is so phenomenal. and i want to thank ken and, jacqueline broad family fund and the you u.s. as seed dornsife center for political future for supporting today's event and i also to thank all the public servants out there and i think it'd be appropriate to end this with but don't give up i'm d.j patel thank you and take care. thank you again. on about books. we delve into the latest news about the publishing industry with interesting insider interviews with publishing industry experts. we'll also give you updates on current nonfiction authors and books. the latest book

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jen psaki reaction to it, because she lives the life we just talk about in a same white house. >> excellent, thank you lawrence. >> thank you,, rachel. >> joining us now is, jen this network and has experience working into administrations in the white house. jen, such an extraordinary interview with someone peter welch who, like me, as i've read the book, i know those rooms, i know the white house chief of staff, i know the fireplace, i know where her desk would be, you know it better than i do. these people are very vivid to you. what did you get from rachel interview tonight? >> so much, but i do think what you just said is so important for people to understand in terms of her access, as the reading this book and hearing her do interviews. the chief of staff's office in the white house is next to the vice president of the united states office. it's down the hall from the oval office. the chief of staff, there's no one in the white house who has more access and greater knowledge of what the president is up to or thinking of the chief of staff. the chief of staff to the chief of staff which is a very funny name, but every white house seems to use, it is a person who has a great deal of our responsibility, sees, hear's, everything. i haven't r

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around something right now, it's not good for the shutdown odds. >> no, not good at all, and jen, you were -- jenlicans. it never does. the reason why is because republicans are the party from my time forward that have used government shutdowns for political purposes now we actually ultimately did balance the budget four years in a row. so we look -- i look back at it and go, eh, it was kind of rough, but that's not happening here these are the same people that raised the national debt more than anybody else in the history of the united states of america. this congress, these republicans with donald trump did that so it seems to me i'm curious what your take is because you were on the other side of the shutdown at the end of the day though, doesn't this -- this just hurts every republican except for the handful that are using it to raise money and raise their political profiles. >> yeah, totally in the small ecosystem that they -- that the sort of maga republicans operate in, it works for them a few things on this one, the american public has been conditioned for the last 30 years that when the g

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jen is coming to prime time. you can now watch inside with jen psaki every monday at eight pm eastern. stay tuned, inside with jen't seem to find out why. kevin mccarthy and house republicans in the federal government careening towards a shutdown as donald trump continues to pull the strengths. congressman

jen is coming to prime time. you can now watch inside with jen psaki every monday at eight pm eastern. stay tuned, inside with jen psaki begins right now. >> the house is on fire, and the arsonist can't seem to find out why. kevin mccarthy and house republicans in the federal government careening towards a shutdown as donald trump continues to pull the strengths. congressman eric small has made a name for himself, calling out the crazy across the aisle. he's coming up first. plus, trump implies that general mark milley should get the death penalty, concerning enough on it don't, even more so when you consider that milley could be a witness in the former presidents trials. also today, rupert murdoch steps aside. i've got a few thoughts about the legacy he leaves behind, in the future of fox news. later, my wide, ranging exclusive interview with hillary clinton. her thoughts on the trump indictments, republicans have ridiculous impeachment inquiry, in the state of the 2024 race for presidents. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> remember back in january when it took 15 rounds of votes over five days for kevin mccarthy to be elected speaker o

jen psaki, host of inside with jen psaki, which will follow this show on monday nights beginning september 25th. in addition to her current time slot on sundays at noon. and cornell belcher, democratic pollster, strategist, and msnbc analyst. congratulations. >> thank you. >> we're going to be neighbors. >> we are neighbors. >> now we're on air as well. congratulations. let me read you, this is fun. let me read you -- >> so much to read and show. >> this is their first day of their impeachment inquiry. the house republicans made no new requests for documents. issued no new subpoenas, demanded no new testimony, and laid out no articles of impeachment. instead, they flocked to the cameras. they're just saying the word impeachment a lot. what is happening? >> what was very telling to me was the elise stefanik press conference because elise stefanik has become a strong maga advocate supporter, lots of ways to describe her. she's been talking to donald trump and giving him updates on the impeachment process. when she gave a press conference, she said, we expect to find -- they have been investigating for nine months. they have found nothing. because they're looking for things like joe biden's role in hunter biden's actions, which they have not found. and they expect that if they open this, they will find something more. that's not how an impeachment inquiry is supposed to work. it's quite telling on the purpose here. >> i think about the clinton impeachment. they wanted to impeach bill clinton from the time he got into office. there were threats of doing it, a georgia congressman saying we're going to get him. they had the white water deal, but they didn't open the inquiry until they had a thing where they could say we're going to make you say did you have this affair, and then you have a thing. in this case, they're looking for the thing, which is like the opwrt. strategically for the biden administration, they're responding to it the same way, saying we have to do our jobs here. what do you make of the fact it's so thin it's not even an inquiry. >> it's really problematic for republicans. i look at it and say have they given up any hope they're going to retain the house? this is not how you retain the house. look, they ran on last time i checked, they ran on inflation was too high, something has to be done about inflation, and crime is out of control. joy, i haven't seen you cover any of their bills and their legislation about crime and inflation. >> what is crime andflation? >> because they haven't done it. they have done none of the things the american people are most focused on and they're opening up an impeachment inquiry. that's not how you hold the house, especially with 12 or 13 republican members right now who sit in biden seats. >> you have a certain movement in the polls of people, they don't know anything about it, but they think somehow joe biden is involved in hunter biden's business. that's increased. >> the same thing they played out with fraud in the election. you say it enough times, so this is the theater. they will spend the next month saying fraud and ethics problems, and then at some point in a month or so, you'll look and people will say, well, i think there's fraud and ethics problems because they have been talking about it. >> like her emails, her emails. >> this is how they drive the conversation. when you ask them, there's no fraud or problems with the biden campaign. they'll say oh, well, lots of people think there's fraud with the biden campaign. this is how it plays out. but agai -- >> i think comer led the committee that investigated biden. they know there's nothing, but i mean, i do think they're trying to her emails on biden. if they can trick us who do tv shows into having to say impeachment, impeachment, impeachment, they win. >> right, and as you were just saying, as cornell was saying, if you look at the recent polls and the white house is well aware of this, 48% in a recent poll of the american people think joe biden is corrupt. that is crazy. it's not that much higher. i think it's like 58% or a little higher depending who think donald trump is corrupt. he has been indicted in four different cases. >> found guilty for sexual abuse. >> a lot of this is create the confusion and smoky mirrors. this is, by the way, what authoritarian dictators do in countries like russia where they say we're just going to throw a lot of stuff out there and create confusion so it just evens it out and everybody is corrupt. that is where we need to pay attention. >> can i make one quick point about the 48? also notice that 48 also coincides with trump's ceiling. we have seen in two elections he's a 47, at max 48%, but that is locked in and is baked in. we still have the majority hopefully to convince that he's not in fact corrupt. >> jenhe potential impact of third party spoilers in the upcoming election. that should be fun. we'll do that when we come back. it's easy to get lost in investment research. introducing j.p. morgan personal advisors. hey david. connect with an advisor to create your personalized plan. let's find the right investments for your goals okay, great. j.p. morgan wealth management. ♪i'm hearing different ways for me to screen for colon cancer.♪ ♪it's time to use my voice,♪ ♪i've got a choice, more than one answer.♪ ♪i sat down with my doc.♪ we had a talk. ♪knew just what to say.♪ ♪i asked for cologuard and did it my way.♪ cologuard is a one-of-a kind way to screen for colon cancer that's effective and non-invasive. it's for people 45 plus at average risk, not high risk. false positive and negative results may occur. ask your provider for cologuard. ♪i did it my way!♪ it's easy to get lost in investment research. introducing j.p. morgan personal advisors. hey david. connect with an advisor to creat

jen, i know that everyone knows who jen is, but you may not know that although she is not from boston she wanted to be from boston. [laughter] she is a graduate of bu. she originally started out covering boston politics, which is always interesting. and then of course, she comes down here, but i know the bruins did not do great. i know the red sox are not where they should be. the patriots had a rough time. but we are going to get there so stick with boston. thank you for that kind introduction. i want to thank everyone for being here. particularly, i would like to thank donna to my right for running this and putting this together. appreciate you doing that. also, the ambassador. i have known her for quite some time and thank you for your leadership in the united states for representing ukraine in a challenging struggle. and so thank you. , [applause] and just by pointing out a certain date, tomorrow is the first of july. and it is the 50th anniversary of the u.s. military's volunteer force. so it is a force that i think is , capable, competent, lethal, and ready for whatever comes america's way. i am really honored to be here. in addition to the u.s. military, you, the media, play a critical role in society to maintain a free and open and democratic country. and i want to take a moment to recognize the journalists who have risked it all to bring the facts from a wide variety of military conflicts. like austin tice was been missing since the subduction in syria in 2012, a former marine infantry officer with combat deployments in iraq and afghanistan. he left a law career to be one of the first reporters on the ground covering the civil war in syria. were evan gershkovich who was , arrested in russia earlier this year. he was the first journalist since the cold war ever arrested on espionage charges. and then, in german hall, who was seriously injured, near death, almost flatlined in ukraine last year covering russia's illegal invasion and attack on a smaller country. they joined the ranks of so many others. they joined the ranks of bernie -- bernie pyle and rosenthal who filmed the flag raising at iwo jima. admiral and bradley and joe galloway from the famous lz x-ray. dan rather and kimco dozier and so many more. there are so many correspondents out there every single day in harm's way risking their lives. that has been true throughout american history from the revolutionary war on. journalists have help tell the story of our wars and i think that has made a huge difference. in colonial times, it was the newspapers that informed the american people of what was happening in that war and the various policies we are fighting for and the outcomes of battles. with the rise of the print media and the expansion of that and the penny press you get to the civil war and it became easier to provide continuous coverage on those wars and those battles that were extraordinarily bloody. townspeople would rush to pick up the latest paper. scanning down the list of the deceased, union or confederate, and the names of their loved ones. a free press has been embedded in our constitution. in my oath, all of our old of those who serve in uniform today are to support and defend that document, the constitution. and you, the press, are part of that document. you are essential. you are fundamental to a democratic republic. and what you and your predecessors have done for 247 years, you have secured our freedom by reporting on it every single day regardless of risk to self. that is much like what we do as soldiers. except you are doing it without a weapon. when this club was founded in 1908, we were only 43 years removed from the american civil war and the world was in a period of very rapid and significant change. at the turn of the last century, give or take 10 years, there was a pivot point in the rapid innovation of technology, economics, communications, politics, and the military. there were major advancements in electricity and energy and transportation, food processing, canning, refrigeration, airplanes, cars. communications all of that was , happening. at the same time other things were happening in the geopolitical world. during that period there were , many small regional wars. a lot of limited conflicts. but there was not a great power war. the last great power war was ended in 1815 with the end of the napoleonic wars. continental wide war. at the turn-of-the-century war seemed remote. and during that time, if you were living in paris or london or berlin, the average citizen would not think war was in the offering. europe had seen many wars break out but again limit it. the franco-prussian war, the austrian hungarian more. the italian wars of independence, the german wars of unification, but they were not global. they were regional and relatively limited. there were the two balkan wars in the moroccan crisis which narrowly averted beginning of a continental wide war. in norman angel published a book 1910, called "the great illusion" he argued economic costs of war in europe would be too expensive. he said the world was to interconnected and the interdependence made war illogical and counterproductive. the families of europe were all related somehow to queen victoria. every emperor and czar and king and queen were descendeds of relatives that went on boats together and knew each other quite well. it was also the belief that war, if it did come, would be violent and quick. it would be short, not long. and yet four years after angel wrote his book, almost 100 years after the end of the previous great power war, in the summer of the world walked off into the 1914, edge of the abyss into world war i. acidity is tells us that wars are fought primarily because of fear, pride, and interest, and amplified by ambition. these factors played a role when a single pistol shot cast the world in a cataclysm of global conflict in sarajevo, unleashing destruction on a scale yet unseen by humanity. that single terrorist event provided the spark that ignited the underlying tinder of militarism, nationalism, imperialism, and populism. the crisis took only about six weeks, six short weeks for decision-makers and nation after nation launched into the fray. between august 1914 when the war begins in christmas almost one , million people were killed in the trenches of world war i as they spread from the english channel to the alps. and the war resulted essentially in a stalemate by that time. and yet the psalm, gallipoli, we -- those came later and ethical in our ears today about man's folly and the horrible cost of war. for the united states, the battle in the largest battle in 1918, american history, 1.2 million american troops fought inch by inch through forests. 26,000 americans were killed in action in six weeks. 120,000 total casualties all to advance 10 miles. by the end of the war the global , human cost of world war i had reached 20 million people, by most estimates. five empires collapsed and set the conditions for the rise of mussolini, hitler, the russian revolution, and more. in the u.s., they turned inward. just two decades later armies mobilized again in 1939 for the second world war, which would last six brutal years. by christmas of 1941, the united states was yet again in a great power war. every family in the united states and europe and asia was somehow touched by world war i and ii. i had an uncle that was wounded in a hospital in london and that the only reason he is alive. another was wounded from a gas attack. my mother and father both were part of the greatest generation in world war ii, along with many of your parents and grandparents. they each had brothers and sisters who were in the war. my father fought with the fourth marine division and hit the beaches. my mother would take care of the wounded coming back from the central pacific at a hospital in seattle. 7000 marines and sailors were killed in action on iwo jima in only 19 days. 34,000 wounded. almost 22,000 japanese perished on a tiny island that was only two miles by four miles. over in europe my uncle was at , normandy where 26,000 u.s. troops were killed between d-day in the fall of paris eight weeks later. another uncle i had was in the philippines. incredibly, in the summer of 1944, 58,000 americans were killed across five theaters of war in only eight weeks. in all, during world war ii, we lost over 400,000. in italy, 150,000 casualties. at sea we lost 62,000 sailors. ,in the air we lost 40,000 , airmen. that is the human cost. that is the tragedy of great power war. between 1914 and 1945, the beginning of world war i and the end of world war ii, it is estimated by most historians that approximately 150 million people were killed in the most violent three decades ever recorded in human history. all in the conduct of the great power war. two world wars in 30 years, two continents destroyed, more refugees than any point in history, systemic genocide of an entire ethnic and religious community, and of course the , dropping of two nuclear weapons. it was a global slaughterhouse by any measure in the world collectively said in 1945, never again. a few years ago, i was at normandy and i talked to a sergeant from the 82nd airborne division. he was in a wheelchair and he parachuted into d-day ahead of the amphibious forces. i leaned over and asked him what his biggest lesson was from world war ii. i expected him to give me some sort of tactical advice on maneuver and shooting. but he didn't. he looked up at me and tears welled up in his eyes and he said, general, never let it happen again. and he repeated it, never let it happen again. in the leaders of the day 1945, established the so-called rules based international order in order to make sure it never happens again. and the piece was established by this framework that has been in existence for eight consecutive decades. today, right now, that rules based international order is under great stress. in particular, russia's unprovoked and illegal invasion of ukraine is a direct frontal assault on that rules based international order. we are now well over a year into this invasion. the bravery and resilience of the ukrainian people are truly an inspiration to us all. the collective support of most of the world has helped enable ukraine in its fight for its own sovereignty and freedom. and we, the united states, will continue to do so. our political leadership is committed to that as well as the political leadership of europe. we have said multiple times that our task is to ensure that ukraine has the support it needs to remain free and independent. and we are doing that in order to make sure that rules based international order holds. in addition, china is looking to rewrite those rules, revise them. china's economy has grown rapidly for the last four decades and is now leveraging their financial power to build up an incredibly powerful military. and they are well into doing that. china's actions in public speeches make it clear they are not ambiguous. china wants to be the regional hegemony in asia within the next 10 years, and they want to see global u.s. military power by mid century. the strategic history of the century will likely be determined by the united states-china relationship and whether it remains in competition or tips into the great power war. in addition to the geostrategic challenges, there is rapidly advancing technology that has put us in the midst of what i think is the most significant fundamental change in the character of war ever recorded in history. the nature of war is not likely to change. it is a human interaction. it is a political act where one side is trying to impose its political will on the other side to the use of organized violence. it involves fear, friction, confusion and death, and is a dynamic relationship between the people, the government, and its military. and its outcomes are never certain and always bloody. that is the nature of war. but the character of war changes often. but it only changes fundamentally once in a while. the character of war refers to how, where, when, and with what weapons you fight. that changes fundamentally every so often. right now, currently, we are in that midst. the most recent one before was between world war i and world war ii with the introduction of the wireless communication the , radio, airplane, and mechanization of vehicles. that changed how world war ii was fought and every country had access to those technologies prior to the onset of world war ii. but one country combined them in a unique way of war, trained their people, and that was germany. it overran europe in only 18 months. the war ended differently because of the industrial might and mass of the soviet union and the united states but they did overrun europe in 18 months. we are in a similar period today also driven by technology. the basics of war have not changed. you have to see and shoot and move and protect and sustain and communicate. so today unlike at any time in , history we are in an age of , incredible ability to surveilled. we can see and sense the environment like no previous time. we have the ubiquitous ability to see anywhere in the globe at any moment in time and we can do that with incredible precision. think about all of the sensors that are in this room right this minute. every gps, watch, iphone, fitbit, all of them are sensors. our ability to see and sense the environment is unprecedented. what you can see, you can shoot and hit with precision munitions. you can hit at great range and with great accuracy. in addition, you have the ability to move now in new ways with vehicles using robotics. for example, unmanned aerial vehicles, unmanned maritime vessels surface and subsurface, are becoming an important component of every military. in fact, in the next 10 or 15 years we are likely to see at least one third of the advanced industrial militaries of the world likely will be robotic. think of a pilotless air force or a sailor less maybe ouray crewless tank, or at least one third, in 10 to 15 years. the battlefield of the future will require rapid and constant movement and the ability to remain relatively invisible just to survive. perhaps the biggest change is the rapid onset of artificial intelligence and quantum computing. one philosopher tells us see yourself and you see the enemy and you win a thousand battles. artificial intelligence and quantum computing are going to do that. we will be able to see ourselves and see the enemy in much more significant ways than we can now. in fact i would suggest that the , combination of those two technologies alone would spell a tremendous change in the character of war. added to the others we are in the most fundamental change. artificial intelligence will be able to process complex information at speeds that no human mind can match. so our task, the united states' task, is for our military to maintain our current decisive advantage, our readiness, our our competence, our lethality by optimizing these technologies for the conduct of war. we do this not to conduct war but to deter great power war. great power war is neither imminent nor inevitable. i don't believe in historical determinism. that is a different philosophy. i believe it is human choice. it is decision-making. our task is to continue to deter large-scale war so we may honor the sacrifice of the journalists that have been lost in conflict. and the men and women of the united states military who gave their lives for this country. the sacrificed everything and served their country for an idea. an idea that is enshrined in our consultation, -- our constitution and is the experiment we call liberty in the united states. we will continue to protect and defend this constitution by ensuring that we, the united states military, remain overwhelming relative to any other country. why is that important? that gets to the very essence of what deterrence is about. if we have that power and the will to use it, and that power is known to an adversary, and that will is known to an adversary, and you assume your adversary is rational, the probability -- not certainty -- but probability is the deterrence will prevail and the great power of peace established in 1945 will be sustained. and then we will have honored that sergeant at normandy and made sure it never happens again. so thank you for what you do as the media in service to our nation and thank you for having me here today. [applause] jen: thank you, general, for those remarks and thank you for mentioning austin tyson and evan gershkovich. that means a lot to us as reporters. i wanted to jump in and ask you a modernization question. it is one of my favorite things. when we sat down last year you talked about how the military needs to look into the future and prepare. your speech covered that quite extensively. it needs to modernize now because there is no other option. during your time as army chief you recognized that imperative and started the four-star command to tackle this modernization. but we discussed some ideas you had in terms of setting something up similar on the joint side. in the spirit of afc, army futures command, how are you thinking about this possible command organization? more broadly, what do you think should be the modernization priorities on the joint side? gen. milley: this is a long-term project. we have been doing experiments going on four years. it started when i became chief and yes, you are

nato , ending the war, ensuring lasting peace after the war, jens stoltenberg , nato secretary general, one more such a statement from jensrg supporting and confirming that there will be an introduction, but sometime later, why are these statements being heard, because they actually do not bring anything new? well, in fact, they create, in general, in the years they contributed to how for us a favorable informational background, in addition, these statements are echoed by the un- well, you can even say in response to the ambiguous statements of some ministers from western countries , for example, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary siarta he says that allegedly after the conversation with lavrov, he says that there is supposedly some sort of readiness of russia for moderate negotiations, although in reality it is clear that there is no such thing, because there are conditions under which these negotiations will take place. he can't, that is, and uh, he started to endure this the line that the president of ukraine speaks about, ukrainian diplomacy, that the territory is a framework agreement, but there is also talk

jen psaki. host of inside with jen psaki. hello. can we remind people that you are a former vice president pricier terry. >> that's true to. >> i'm really glad to have you. here give me a sense,, jan of what is the best approach for democrats, and the white house on this whole impeachment issue. is there an obvious strategy? >> well, i asked congresswoman about this on my show in the last hour. she basically said you can't ignore it. they're trying to pursue it even though it's bogus, even though it's not based on evidence. you have to really call it out. when we saw jamie raskin to that on our show this morning, camilla jayapal did, that senator fetterman had a quite a funny response multiple times and he was asked about it. you have to call it out, this is going to be a process. they clearly, politically, want to push this. it's both calling out the absurdity, but also, fact checking things that they're saying publicly. that is important to. >> jen, is it maybe easier, or let's say, can democrats leverage the opinion of even conservative republicans, like ken buck, who called the impeachment flimsy, and then, listen, there is this -- >> they did it to me, and had they not done it to me, i think, and nobody officially said this, but i think that they're not that it to me, then i'm very popular. they like, me i like them, the republican party. perhaps you wouldn't have been done to them. >> doesn't trump admitting this impeachment is some form of retribution totally delegitimized the entire effort? >> i mean, it should. also, what should delegitimized is that it's not based on actual facts or evidence, right? there have been presidents of both parties who have been impeached in the past, there's history here. there is nothing, there's nothing this is based on that show delegitimized it on its own. >> so do you think the public ultimately views this as nothing more than a partisan theater? and that, why it benefits president biden'

guarded and now francis rolling founder jen wenner rolling stone founder jen wenner is gathering moss all. yeah. the founder of the all. yeah. so the founder of the rolling stone, jann wenner, has come under a little bit of criticism . um, so because he he criticism. um, so because he he created this article, this book, i can't remember what it was. it's a book where he only. yeah, that was it. the book called the white master . yes, exactly. only white master. yes, exactly. only white rock performers whom he dubbed the philosophers or the philosophers of rock and saying that they were more articulate than their black counterparts, which , let's be fair, is a which, let's be fair, is a little bit racist. well, particularly, let me play the devil's advocate . he says devil's advocate. he says they're articulate. he talks about it at some length and he says they don't articulate on rock and roll. and i mean , he rock and roll. and i mean, he says, like curtis mayfield, marvin gaye and also joni mitchell, because there's no women in there. yeah, joni mitchell has never made a rock n roll

jen other than that impacts on this website. so i jen, i was, i'm is a product of this website and it works because i managed to get people into jail and that complex of people what, what do you need to do as a result of that, which i do so you can call them yeah, and that's a risk, but i do my gen, i listened and deduct deals into active as a how do you define yourself? so do you see yourself more as an activist or as a junior? i see myself as i'm active. it's because of the end product that i get. okay, we want to do you find yourself into situations as well, where you're, what sort of places even situations that you didn't necessarily sign up for you? yes, i do. and i absolutely refuse that tag activist. i'm shy away from each i run away from me. why? because there's different types of activities and i think you feel no play that type of activity. so you all you do that when you do get into trouble and that's the line can be seen. i agree with enough, but for me, i also see it as a very big effect. like it's a big gas problem my french take like so for example, we have different types of activities. you uh, you got an active use based on your personal conviction. all your pronounce that activities by your job, all by the governments of the day, who's upset about what you're doing. people can also be active. it's because of the attention on the call on me, where the existing freezing from lodi is ation of news. they have to perform a new wave activism as jo nineties and then find out, i think people from the activities that it's going to be active. it's also of greed because it's of a read. yes, correct. i said, so i said what i said, okay. unless you have something to add to that, and i totally disagree with because i think that she's not looking at the dean just we fees. there's no point in doing that piece of gym and somebody gets him up and what came up on the same street with that criminal. i see, i will take you to deal. i testify, i should have called evidence and i, i'm speaking from my point of view of being that loyal. mm hm. and i see that every missed calculation, the amount that come by the end of the day can lead to the desk and lead face of quincy quinn's. we don't become active, it's because we love a demo. something's not that cheap, but it's a serious business. i do have your rebuttal, i have to say, i look activism from the perspective of the don't tell the drill, 94 cubes for being a drug. so i know the 1st time what i mean, my own father was sealed 15 years ago for being a drone on his he wasn't even on investigating john and so you can even get killed for being a call. them is a part of the. yeah, but i have another female, i know what disease i had to send my family out of the country when i did speak to be holding, for example, they know what to do for, for our audience. can you please tell us what seems to be put in was a vote we 3 coding was an investigation into the formats which include cartels that sell coding. and it was on the cobra as well. and knows what change, including what funds we think $24.00. i was still seeing some of the benefits, although that doesn't stop the drugs people move on to that room. what i said is to say, i have a clue there. i'm, i'm leaving with the front of a family member died. i'm always watching my boss. nobody knows i was coming to boston for example, i just show up when i pull stuff down social media. well, i'd say these to say when you mix these activities in the problems that home we see it means it's no longer. obviously the way on us does these is very different. what i'm talking about the pop pull out we. we will talk about this as tightly stick devices need to, but i don't think we have answer that question yet. naomi, maybe you can help me on speaking about fathers would be jewels because of just is it yours? is one of them. yeah. so the shrinking mediaspace infinity, do you see yourself more as an activist or as a journalist because you're cutting between these walls, right? yes. absolutely, um i think i would rather define myself as an activities and i'm not, i'm not ashamed so, so you see yourself 1st as an activist then as a gen yeah. okay. because i believe you don't have to be a journalist to be an activist. so i am a do to off and actually this is a john, the least he has found leads the privates press, the 1st private press group in building and he was always seen as an activity he was and the police custody be on times and he's still standing and i thank god for that. yeah. and so i'm trying to follow the boss, but also to of my own uh, personality i sent a yes identity as well, but i'm older, i'm a journalist, but i'm also an activist, but i have to be careful. yeah, of course. okay, so we've had some impressions from beginning nigeria and gone to, but we also asked people from around the continental colleagues went around asking them how is the media space in your country? and this is what they have to say. the new grand sometimes the line between generalization and activities and can be blogs. for instance, many media organizations are owned by politicians. we on agenda. now these employee, as i've said to have it feed inflates from the reporting by the journalist. they how you sometimes in criticized politicians in state that you've done at least for being present toward them 70 has previously described. private media outlets in them is by some colleagues into media proficient. how will flip joined touches on politics today? some of the most prominent politicians, both in the government on deal position, such a different demo with several newspapers, an over a $150.00 tv and regular channel has a pretty diverse media landscape. and while the posting in politics and media on a ship, the press here is still relatively free and able to criticize the parts one same was kind of an example of an act of a stern list. is that the one photographer who turn to activism, author of experience a report on kenya is post election violence. he would like to known for driving, takes all the way to parliament and putting the words antiques, overindulging, members of parliament, and so well criticizing the powers that be may not be easy and 10. yes, it's still a toss that many journalists take on corrupt, seen by politicians and political fish out. it's a major problem in gonna, it's affects the ordinary preston for life. what's a boy? so good, good quality house, good quality education. and many more now reporting about these issues. how did you receive of jenn i live? and that's what's exactly what's going on. and then at least not really a one now, but it's fairly own in his car. yeah. for about 2 decades. a goal for guessing concrete evidence to prosecute sacrificial meant he had to go on that kind of um, he didn't come again at least in doing that. but i'm not to corruption actively, as what he said by governments, with some public officials declaring him an enemy of this space. and so now known gradstaff unless hasn't become just a multi media documentary, myka fox now and leading activities for the ordinary people, look up to for sundays, and protecting them from the girls and abuse that we've just seen that but not through been mentioned. i'm so just to contextualize, you know, why is it that done this specifically in africa turned into active as i'm just trying to figure out sort of like, what the social changes are that you are calling for and why the journalist has a want to do it and i think that says a for the general is, is much more little set to the people. you listen to them and you realize that no mountain that isms, i think i believe in being sold and doing that piece of work and seem to the benefits. what society the price from that piece of work. and so if i have done no mountain of which would have been just published and what's, what's normal generally, the amount of them would mean that you have identified your thoughts as you've gotten the information. you put it out and you can allow the rest of the states institutions to take care of it. what i'm saying that states institutions equally handicapped as we add, just as we ask dana to. i don't see anything wrong with taking one step forward home to meet the prosecutor. i am, i do not possess the way of police by way so far as if i find that criminal at that point is wanting to kill, that'd be. that's my thing. what would put in our hands to get an a showing that the guy has busted and i don't see anything wrong we've just done before it part of law. if you believe in that piece of work that you have done, why can't you defend it before i bought it from? oh, okay, well if i just find it and i'm pull that, i'm active, it's so be, i'm proud of it and he's good. all right, so and this is very proud of the, what's the, he does say normal journalism doesn't cuts it well, i know you have a different opinion about this. well, well, yes i do, but it's just, it's still in line with what we're discussing. the sense that active is activism is likely check before it's more about, you know, campaign in actively about something for change, you know, political or social change, but you want something to change. that's what you're doing, what you're doing. yes, i agree with the fact that people seem to be jewels, think that they need to be active because they let them be a let them be proud and let them much show themselves to find that ok, then it's gonna have to be any more likely it's important that people are going to start with the are per time because that's the only way to do good work. because if you claim to be something else because of what the ideal defined by society and to be politically correct. you are this your so by the end of the day you're going to be below it yourself off mind in your right. so i didn't, nobody's going to struggle with be your self and go peace of mind that you lose when you do or need to. michael points is with a activism is right or wrong. i'm not going to define god without book is the way to go. i'm still going to define it. i'm seeing if this is where you are now. then be some beats with your full chair. mm hm. yeah. until so then how do you maintain the integrity, right? so if i'm covering gender issues, i'm a woman, i definitely have a bias and that's how do i make sure these on line. and i'm not just advocating for women, and i am just being a journalist for every obstacle you're ready to run me by somebody else. you should always have accountability, park, and ask you to run you by somebody else to check you. i didn't know that integrity is important for you to run you by somebody else moving or by us knowing that you've done to the best of your own ability. well, being, we, being comfortable pinto doesn't make you sense less of to be just still have it thought process. you can still think through. we to say, i still need to find balance to this truth. also this view point. ok, well, let's see. i do have the press inside when, if i believe you don't know if that's the basic things you're not using. well, that's the big. that's a basic tenet. it'll work. we do. okay, let me show you. i see, you know, doing, do you have something to say to me? i completely agree with some of the sentiments that one has um, no of the key on the ones that i agree with. okay. i also think that it's to have between being a journalist and being an active it's unless you say you need to be very transference and be very honest with yourself when with others, when you're switching one hutch for the ad. okay, how do you do that practically realistically? yeah, one of sounds like the other thing i could, that's what she said is the mazda of conflict of interest, if i'm to emotionally involved in something. and i know that it's going to uh to affect the outcome of, of, of the product of, of what if i'm doing that, it's a lot. i say i step back. if i cannot be clear minded what i'm doing it or i have a come to basic button is us. she said ok so enough back to you when you have something to say to me. yeah, yeah, yeah. okay. so the female is that i've been asking myself, this tenants will genetically, will they go down, maybe the lizzy met, and at the end of the big society, we don't return that. we understand life was so different types of diverse and we still kind of fully understand who we are. and so yes, i know we need this guidance as well. my own point of view, every time we talk about the tenants on july the same and i agree with them, i came into the profession, but then i thought to myself, just now living with me for my mom wasn't beautiful. just not even saw the end of the day, we should still be able to make some changes have to be going in society. mm hm. so yeah, yeah. kind of see us. yeah. guides. well, isn't that dangerous though? i mean, at what point do you throughout the day, you still need to put things into consideration, go, ethical values, go morals. what do you know what you're being hammered and to be been because i feel like those things come to play every profession without doing anything without football. when you are in here at the tons of crossing everything you do, and i'm able to verify on the, the cost which, which i take my pictures always shows that my pictures don't. i don't know how well you don't. so i'm seeing that when you are always reflecting the work you do. so i guess the could be dangerous. i really, i haven't been in this space nearby to help us both white glove. what i'm seeing that is the, on this being yourself to know that we can do that my, this is what i'm willing to do. i know we have to take a risk, we won't. so if i have the vote by risk that we're taking by different people, i agree, i think we're making this huge mistake. okay, by letting people define what 10 out of them is for us. this is what about any ivy league schools? the thing though in which he now tents demos into the defined by use the site at the end of the the how does the, which you to lead to the progress of that. so site. so what might be done that lives in the gym i lives? i mean i married might be a different type of gen as an email for it. so what kind of generally thing would you suggest to be helping africa? i am suggesting that your journalism should be fine, but you'll people, you'll, people need more drinking more to get that for them. whatever it takes to get that for them. get in for that really means that developed one back. i've been getting for them to get it for the is really disagreeing with you. let me hear your voice. and that's my brother from the neighboring countries. i grew with you so much. i mean, it's not because i don't agree with the funds that's known in john this the him have tried to show that he didn't take that by the way. so i am really that it is what we do in front of it all the way from the news rooms into the academic. we do need some level polls from it doesn't matter. we do need some level of found that yeah, i'm those done that dictates that there should be a very clear line on what he's on. what's his notes? for example, what will then differentiate thoughts from the publics? we call them if we sound the same way. if we don't have any types of sun that, i mean, just imagine even with those sign up for these type of drinking, what are we having the will that it will be ok to keep drinking live. what that was drunk centuries ago. i'm probably still being drunk drunk now. yeah, i mean, i guess 2 points that hold on enough. no, me, i want to come to you because let's just ground ourselves in reality here, right? so we have the tenants of generalising perfect. but even be that said that they based on it still becomes difficult to practice and say a country like yours. so are you allowed to color the light outside the lines then? well, um, actually i'm not really allowance, but i do. i do a rebel here. i really, i'm really on social media, so i, i, i'm working for tv press group, of course, but on the side i writes white, i think on my social media platform and on my social media platform, i am myself and i can see what ever i want mm interesting, yeah. are you able to separate your identity as a journalist from your phone line plus the 90 to you down to do that? because when i see you online, i'll see the general is naomi. yes, you see the jump, the least, but i do with a different way. when i'm going to be presenting, for example, i have to follow the rules. i just come to keep fox. that's all on my social media platform. i comments the fact i see my minds but not in a way that we've puts me in um, in a venture situation. so you have to bring your toes between activism and journalism . right? yes, i mean the medium. yeah. but enough doesn't just make it a very dangerous situation then because we have the rules, but then we have thing, we can break them when it's not convenient for us. so when does, society does not have struck just for us? and we're saying, oh, by the way, when i'm out of the news room, then i can see what i want you have to actually or so how do i do my way in the way that did come me and get to me to cods means that you asked me some more for sizes from the gen i missed a point into the active is doesn't that make you judge jury and execution of and it doesn't because at the end of the whatever evidence you produce at the end of the day to be a part of the law that will sit down when that duty gets for bearings. i have taken so many people in to do, and i did it with my own when they had the own lawyers. and i loved it because it's also a test of your integrity, testable, how own must your gemma live. them is. everybody should be given an opportunity to come and defend himself. this, as you'll be doing, this is how you story. this is how you plan to steal and i'm such a way. i think that should be the way out. ok. the question is, are you on the issue of trust? you might be well, meaning, and perhaps you want to talk about co dean and then your younger audiences that she always leads to was one side. she's untied. governments has on type is how do you balance that out? so you buy these again by those sets of rules that john, at least 6 does not ethical. i mean, i think what, what needs to be me. impactful, john dizzy is not always going, you know, not to be smart. now. i'm not, i'm not serious. i do not identify as one i will never identify as well. can you tell me why? i mean, this is something that is very deeply rooted if you'd like, like sort of like the getting the via large the wrong i find activity it distracts me. when i have to actively care about what people say, oh, i bought my methyl, it's to the essence where i come to control me. there's no quality control. for example, in my mind, then i have a problem. i will say that you kind of do john museum, doctors impactful. going by the book. i need to still in fact from, i'm an example of that. when i did call dean people with very happy lot with being changed. but guess what? that was. so people that came to see i was paid by a foreign government because i, my son's name is german. so i still got that block on the way people that were to be i previous. what is the french course on these points to the fact of extremism? you will always be called an activities which as well, where you do your journalism. and that is why i refuse the because i have no business being called of fixing into the mode of activity. mm hm. and i in with spend, they don't oh you, yes. because if i was doing the full day and for example, my name would be what's in these agreements, breeland's b, so forth. but anyway, if somebody doesn't go to do it, does it take away from the work that she did? it doesn't take away a lot of people want to spend too much, but yeah, so i and i'm not allowed to take the tv, but i'm saying my brother and i'm talking about the work that made my mother have 50, made my brother perhaps a few with their families, i have a big i'm, i'm going to say change came and i do, i hardly print those. i've been changed parts when opened offices, where i opened into ports called dean leg jobs with whom i tend to go home to be very and not said that, well that's not change. then my name is not bruno. so i'd like to hear from you all based on the what we've had here today. do you still believe that these, that line between journalism and activism will have you shifted a little bit? let's see, your final thoughts, naomi. i won't change my mind. i still believe that as a journalist, you need to speak about the fox books. you come jesse speak the fox. for example, if there's a story happening and you know that it's not the true for the government. for example, let's see is giving a version of it. so don't send a need to say out loud, then this is not true. so you, you, you won't be coming, you'll be coming. i'm not to this somehow. you still need to follow the rules. i do agree refer you to follow the rules of don't only thing, not to be in danger, but you need to make the public in the sense that the story is not quite right. okay. let's do it from you. surely, i maintain that there is a line. and for me, what's would be important is that transpired and see that we know which side you're on. if you're a journalist and you, once you activate your journalist, whichever had to put him on, that's what's of a time. that is b p a to your audience. so to have, i was listening to you because of the media personnel or the journalist you have. so much power this to me for looking at to listening to you some even how you want to evaluate like everything and see the ticket as it is. yeah. okay. almost. yeah, that's fine. um, yes. my own point is we will keep evolving us human beings, right? so as journalist does activates, as advocates, that gary's the end goal is change. what is the goal is to show whatever changes were trans dreadful? well, in looking at the next generation old, going to people who are thinking, so put me into journalism. i think what drives use key for us? it felt like it's appalling, like, this is like, i will see you in jail for room doesn't have seen joe, but you have to just expose the story of what you was coming in to read. you need to ask yourself, why are you tell me what the accolades of the out was? because yes, no good job. you'll be nominated for an enemy. yeah, but that's not why this is because at the end of it there's no need to have gone able to speak with. we've had done a lease, we know awards, i'm lose piece in cost. the story didn't feel in. right. so we don't know what you want to know what, what's happening, story about the floods that it doesn't speak. right? so i don't actually going personally deciding, okay, i like to see people in general, so i'm going to enjoy it. become a journalist. i love people don't like i'm not gonna be great on top of my face. that's what you want to do then. well, you need to consider why the, what? to what extent do you need to be on there? so you like the essential 90 accolades or you know what, i'm going to do this because of the right thing to do for myself. i used motivation being the can i call you getting it for you? good. all right, go now. so for me, i mean, i, what i thought i quoted me was like, let's get just, i had a brother who was i might be. so that was what motivated me wasn't any of what i think the, i mean was going to call. yeah. but for me, more important is the solution we need to about from the tv shows about this the big spring. so you know, practicing you know, and use in practice. so i want to see the tools. i probably see people don't, but we don't see joe ninety's, old identities, don't people to engage me. they just say you're not cvc. don't know what to do. john is in the all got one should be i'm not supposed to be in the middle because i'm not young, but i'm not old. the ad, so i feel we should try to overcome distributions. i mean, is not a bond, was, is not something that we kind of speak about. well, she says, let's be transferring. let's try to avoid putting all right in our cells, because the audience sees the proof. i've done these governments already doing that . now guys, the news is your right, an us last but not least. so am i lance? part of my jen. i live them here in gym and i dream then. but once i arrived, i know that was seamless and that coverage. and i've also learned from the bbc world news apart from that the due date, code of ethics guides me as i work. so by the end of the day, i believe that we should ask ourselves the question. when we get into us, piece of that, how do i ensure that i get people don't mean so jen? again, i see you full trans. i see the youth and i want to emphasize that the advertising use of the i'm tired of the roots in the system. yeah. and they want to see a change. yeah. and if we wanted flicking partners or not, various countries, then we have to move towards more activism and i don't see any like the amount of them and activity on us. thank you so so much. thank you to audience. at the beginning of this debates we us a very simple question. where is the line between activism and journalism? and as one of the people here said, it's just papa k o. so when you try to define those terms, thank y

jen psaki and david jolly. thank you both. don't forget, you can catch inside with jen psaki, monday nights in this hour, starting next monday at eight pm. i'm very excited for that. and don't worry, i'm not going anywhere. tuesday to friday, i'll be here. okay, the ex president control he wants to shut down the government, to stop federal investigations. there is even less he can do about the george river case. today we got a look at the defense witness list in the first criminal trial for the attempt to steal the 2020 election. lawyers for one of the indicted racketeers kenneth chesebro -- filed this list of defendants that may use and benefits they may call in his rapidly approaching trial. his trial, along with conspiracy lawyer sydney powell, starts in just a month -- when jury selection will start on october 23rd. chaz perez lorries telegraphed their defense from the recent hearing. apparently planning to accuse fulton county district attorney fani willis's office of prosecutorial misconduct. >> there have been many times, many times, but it ultimately does return

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jennings! >> yeah, me and dubs, man, we go way back. >> they will be on opposite sides this week. jennings has some advice for the 49ers defense. >> as long as we do that we can take care of my man dobbs. >> he is run for the fifth most for quarterback and he is also one of four who has started all three games and not thrown an interception. the other is c.j. stroud, justin herbert, and brock purdy, who is not been picked off and 190 consecutive passes going back to last year. >> that's cool! >> so dobbs has run for the fifth most yards by a quarterback and he is also one of four who has started all three games and not thrown an interception. the others are c.j. stroud, and brock purdy. >> all right! looking forward to sunday. what is the spread? >> the niners are favored by 14, but the cowboys were favored by 21 over the cowboys and lost the game! >> good to know, vern, thank you! >>> when we come back, welcome to ( ♪♪ ♪ ) ) welcome toto big tobacacc's fantasylyland. a new, heaealthier wororld withouout cigarettttes. as long g as you donon't cot the 6 trilillion sold d worlde every yeyear

jennings. >> yeah, me and dobbs man, we -- great night, man. great -- great memories. >> reporter: jennings and dobbs were college teammates at tennessee. they connected on this hail mary to beat georgia back in 2016. but they'll be on opposite sides this week and jennings some advice for the 49ers' defense. >> i say take lays away from him. that's what i say. as long as we can do that, i think we can -- take care of my man dobbs. >> reporter: dobbs has run for 93 yards this season. fifth most by a quarterback. and he's also one of four quarterbacks that have started all three games and not thrown an interception. the others, cj stroud and justin herbert and brock purdy, who hasn't been picked off in 190 consecutive passes going back to last year. with the "red and gold report," i'm vern glenn. >>> time now is 6:26. if i put my glasses on. republicans in southern california wanting to be the next president of the united states. the debate stage is set. the big question, where's the frontrunner? another no show for donald trump. >>> a live look outside before we head to break and you are looking from the mark hopkins camera. looks pretty beautiful with all those glistening lights wewe made it! ! bmo has ararr. hello? you sasaid it. hehello to morore ways

jen. go ahead, jen. >> i'm curious because we're all trying to figure this out. what happens exactly next year? there's a lot of talk which is important for us to know about maximum sentencing, but what happens now? could this really go through the course of next year? what are we really looking at after yesterday? >> so i think as you heard from abbe lowell, the new defense counsel, that you are going to see two types of motions at least, that there was a pretrial conversion signed with connection with these gun charges and the claim is going to be made that this is barred because the department of justice through the special counsel agreed that this -- these cases would be deferred. so they're going to seek to enforce that agreement and we'll see how the judge rules on that. the second which is quite ironic and jen, and a very lively issue that goes to the supreme court deals with the constitutionality of this statute, and the republicans have generally taken a position that this statute and parts of it are unconstitutional because they infringe on the second amendment. so it's really unusual here that you have charges that are definitely going to be subjected to scrutiny as whether they violate the constitution or not, and so it's unusual for the department to be bringing these charges at this moment while this is still untested as to whether they will, you know, withstand that scrutiny. so i think that is the second thing, and that obviously could take some time to get litigated. >> well, and willie, there's so many questions. you talk about the politicalization. as we always say here, if hunter biden did something that he deserves to be charged with and it was ultimately convicted, it's very sad for him and for everybody, but he'll go to jail and that's what the law is. in this case though, t

jen psaki is joining, us and jen as a new member of this panel, and now a motive ember of this poll. you guys want to remember the terrible -- >> you have to play. >> you have to. >> play it. >> i'm up. >> nobody has veto, power -- >> i want to look in the camera right now, tell you, donovan, are you watching you, can't help yourself? i know you are watching. and you are not here tonight, not because of polls, and not because of indictments, you are not here tonight because you are afraid of being on the stage and defending your record. you are ducking these things. let me tell you what happened, you are doing, that nobody here is going to call you donald trump, anymore we are going to call you donald duck. >> governor desantis -- >> member of the -- >> you heard that. >> donald black has been sleeping with a teacher for 20 years. >> the triumph of chris christie in the last round of republican primary debates was when he dismantled marco rubio live on television as not a real boy, by saying you have been practicing this thing, you have been practicing, it practicing, it is all you are capable of, saying it is coming out and making it sound like a robot. chris christie dismantled him by saying i'm a live human, and can have spontaneous thoughts, and say things that were not cooked up in a focus group. then he just buried himself. >> it was like when he started talking, i thought he was going to do that, because i thought he was going to speak to the camera which is what he was doing, i thought he was going to make donald trump go crazy, and truth social something crazy, instead he and it with that very cringe -- line. >> her story was pointing, out it is happening at a time when if you are going to take on donald, trump illustrated just suggest the execution of the top military officer in the united states. so if we are going to go after him on something, and say i have a new nickname for you, maybe not the day for that. especially if it is going to land that way. >> it just felt like -- >> he is the most disappointing. there was a theory of the case that had donald trump actually shown up on the debate stage, it was chris christie that would take him apart. now i think that was not really -- he is really not that good. >> he's not as good as he used to be. i don't know, maybe he will get better, i'm not sure. i will say, we do have a little bit of, news i don't know if we count as news. since we have been on the, air at the trump campaign as it is that he definitely won't be there for the next one either. i don't think anybody expected him to be there. it is interesting they are making these candidates pledge that they will support the 2024 nominee no matter who it is, as a condition of participating in these things. i think her songs that is a condition, there is no chance donald trump could -- >> right, and these debates have been on, fox and careful to say that the journalist to -- it is a tough thing, i'm not here to single it out, but as a political matter, fox or so aligned itself with the right-wing maga movement, and had to pay over $700 million because of the links they want to support the big lie, which is linked to the insurrection. what do they get back for it? not that good journalist would look at it this way, but a lot of reporting they did, what do they get back for it? he lost a, debate see storms on them, tonight and i'm sure chris christie is thinking i had that great disney reference, and it is now being overshadowed by the announcement that he can skip all these debates. donald duck them in the current vernacular on twitter. >> as they say. >> as one says. and get away with it. so i want to follow your example, being fair, there is a political tension here of how much fox and the right-wing media has given up to trump, and how little he's giving back. that is for him a flex to the electorate to say i'm above all of them. >> there's also something so weird to me about the spectacle, particularly after -- all of this after the midterms, donald trump was at a low point, probably the lowest point he had publicly been so january six. if you look at the polling, a lot of folks in the political establishment, even the base he wanted to move past trump. that was true after january 6th when his numbers were down, throughout the midterms and people said all of a second, all of the candidates this guy back did really poorly. we ran basically randomized controlled trial in a number of states. we had a not trump candidate, and a trump candidate, look it was 5 to 6 point delta, why are we doing this again? then we watch them sleep walk into this trap again. it is so bizarre to me when you think about, there is something in the aggregate, the different personalities of coalitions. the democrats are way more neurotic than the republicans are. i think the democrats could stand up and be a little nest neurotic in republicans could be a bit more neurotic. >> more bed-wetting on one side left on the other. >> if this were the democratic, side yes, he is polling, ahead yesterday bunch of polls where you look at biden, but you are really going to go into next year where he is going to stand trial and stand trial for the first attempt on the -- maybe he will be convicted of it? you think that is not going to change the political stature of your party where his chances of being elected and everyone is going to shrug the shoulders and throwing the towel early and say we will just do that guy. what are you doing? >> you wonder how a man who has 92 criminal counts against him, and is threatening to execute a military general of the united states, that level of mediocrity and opposition him is actually shocking. that there are no stays where there is no impressive alternative, to these -- again, it is the only seven people who could look less impressive than donald trump. we try to overthrow the government. >> and with that, we have more of our special coverage to come here tonight. stay with us. we will be right back. traditional dish soaps that remove food and grease 5 times faster. and, because it cleans so well you can replace multiple cleaning products for counters, stoves, and even laundry stains. try dawn powerwash dish spray. brand power, helping you buy better. - they slept on me for 15 years. things i collected, pollen, dust, dander. all that time they could have protected me with an allerease mattress protector. it would've been soft and blocked 99.9% of dust, dirt, and allergens. allerease for a clean, healthy night's sleep. sometimes, the lows of bipolar depression feel darkest before dawn. with caplyta, there's a chance to let in the lyte. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression. and in clinical trials, movement disorders and weight gain were not common. call your doctor about sudden mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants may increase these risks in young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements which may be life threatening or permanent. these aren't all the serious side effects. caplyta can help you let in the lyte. ask your doctor about caplyta. find savings and support at caplyta.com. >> welcome back to our special coverage of the second republican presidential primary debate. i'm rachel maddow here at nbc with my colleagues jenris hayes, joy reid, ari melber, steph ruhle. it does not get better than this. >> thank you for speaking while i'm interrupting. >> if i may. >> you can be on both sides. >> gentlemen, you will have your turn. [inaudible] >> i know that you think -- people saying things that made, sense that wasn't, edited that is what it sounded, like and that is just the treat we all got. congratulations. the sound of your republican network, or sorting things out. again, there were seven republican candidates on -- roughly 40 points nationally was not there. the moderators did not ask about them. but they -- joe biden hides in his, basement animal answer as to why he is raising the debt the way he has done. and donald trump hides behind the war walls of his golf, club won't show up here to answer questions, like on the rest of us. he puts seven trillion on the, day he should be in this room to answer the questions of for what we are talking about and suffering. >> donald trump is missing, he should

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