jen palmieri, former clinton campaigns communications director. matthew miller, former spokesman for the justice department in the obama administration. my tv husband for the day. we've been on the air since 9:00 a.m. an msnbc analyst. in washington, d.c., nbc legal contributor, former federal prosecutor, paul butler, who doesn't rise to husband status but we've also been on the air all day. i feel like we've been having this conversation since 9:00 this morning. the dramatic moments to me today seem to fall into three categories. one, what donald trump asked comey to do that was just so outside the realm and the norm and we'll have this debate about whether or not it was illegal, obstruction of justice. two, for all the interactions we had with the sitting president which is not normal, your old boss, my old boss, did not call the head of the fbi down for dinner and ask him for loyalty pledges, but u for all those interactions, never one question about russia. who was very seriously meddling in our democracy. and then, three, this exchange that j

jen palmieri, your thoughts? >> it's difficult to read.ome from the obama white house and lived through the clinton campaign, i lived through that day in october, finally we had a statement that laid this all out very clearly. we were shocked by that statement. no one appropriately at the white house gave us a heads up about it. what a big deal it was for the secretary of homeland security and the director of national intelligence to say with certainty that russia was behind this. and trying to influence the elections. >> you were hacked. i mean, you were -- >> well, john podesta was hacked. >> yeah. >> a lot of mine e-mails were out there, but that was -- you know, on that day. we had been pushing the press since the summer during earlier in the sum -- summer to focus on how russia and how it was clear in not only the hacking but the government had concluded that already. but they were directing the timing of the leaks. and it was very hard to get the press to pay attention. so we finally had the statement, i understood what a big deal it

former clinton campaign communications director jen palmieri. national action network president, the rev al sharpton. was from massachusetts, msnbc analyst, former senior adviser to the bush/cheney campaign, my friend, robert tranam. jen, you were nodding because the news that the president maybe intended to make today, his news on dreamers -- >> yeah, big deal. >> -- may have actually been something that received bipartisan praise, but when you wake up to headlines about your son-in-law's finances being scrutinized by the special counsel, when you wake up and you make more headlines, yourself, on twitter by acknowledging you're under investigation, not a lot of attention gets paid to the news you plan to make. >> yeah, this is why it's ridiculous for anybody to go in and take the communications director job at the white house now. >> is that empty now? >> yes, it's still empty. nobody took that. >> eli stokols, do you know -- ashley -- the white house communications director officee. py they haven't been able to recruit anybody to take it. they'