jen palmieri, white house comes director for president obama and of course, you will know her from the hillary clinton campaign where she also served chief of communications there. jen, thanks for joining us. give us your reaction to this. all right. can -- jen? can you hear me? all right. we're going to try to work out the connection with jen palmieri, we'll bring her in soon as we have her. the question i have, and so many people, gloria, i have been texting with or asking. as sara murray said, this was a bridge too far and everyone i'm chatting with is saying, this was the bridge too far? >> right. >> dana highlighted it. being forced to lie -- about things -- we're very busy here. as you can see. taking source calls in the middle of the segment. forced to lie about things. misled in a way that he ends up unknowingly lying as well, and just is embarrassed. all of this, just the back channeling against him. why is it this that was the bridge too far? >> well, you know, that's a really good question obviously hard to know. we have to ask sean than. lots of times people asked that ques

two i'm holding hostage on the set, shannon pettypiece and national affairs analyst, jen palmieri is here and in washington, robert traynham, a former senior adviser to bush/cheney. for a day like today we have all reporters and former white house or campaign communications strategists because i think it's the kind of day to talk about what this is and isn't. this is a personnel change. this is not any change to the man you cover, president trump. >> no. we saw the new guy on the job do the exact same thing as everybody else did on the job which is flatter and praise this president. you heard anthony scaramucci talking about the president -- >> all the love. >> being the best political communicator. >> talk about throwing a football -- is that a saying -- >> a three-foot putt. no one believes that. >> why lie about that stuff? >> well, we don't know it's a lie. but he's putting out there that, you know, trump's own best version of himself. >> yeah. >> you know, today was easy, but as we have already discussed the questions only get tougher about russia. what flummoxes spicer and sara

you can't get caught up -- >> but the question -- but the question gets confused, to you, to jen palmieriyou lose to this guy? i think that when we see the sort of lengths that i went to, how could you beat someone who was willing to accept help from a foreign adversary? >> look, if 40,000 voted differently we would have beat him fair and square. >> do you think that's -- >> a lot has unfolded and we thought that russian was meddling in the summer of last year. we thought all the evidence pointed to it. hillary clinton brought it up in the e -- debate. whether it got enough attention remains to be seen. it's tarnishing his presidency. it is tarnishing his approval ratings. you have 23% of republican, 19% who say he acted unethically and another 4% who say it legally those are not good numbers. if i was a republican congress i'd start paying attention to how bad his numbers are really below the surface with republicans. >> to piggyback on who you're saying it's -- well, at the time it wasn't the trump administration, but what donald jr. did and what the trump campaign did, there's the this