jen palmieri, let's get your take on this. moment of legal peril for donald trump, particularly related to susie wiles. she's the kind of person facing a dilemma about her own potential legal future, but also, of course, having at least some degree of loyalty to donald trump. what do you make of the bind she's in? >> i've been in the bind. >> yes, you have. >> i've been in a situation. you know, politics often runs into department of justice investigations. on a few occasions, i've had to cooperate with the justice department, the fbi on legal matters involving former bosses of mine. so i have been -- here's what i know about susie wiles. she is not lying for anybody, right? this is not a person i know well, but she has, in terms of her professional reputation, you have to go forward. you have to be forthcoming. you have to tell them the truth. when you were in that situation, it's a little scary, too. you want to make sure that you are not -- not just answering truthfully, but being forthcoming. and it's not -- you know, i th

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former white house director of communications to president obama, jen palmieri. and the president of the national action network and host of msnbc's "politics nation," reverend al sharpton joins us this morning. so get this, a memoir from donald trump's own former white house chief of staff appears to undercut the former president's latest and many defenses for his willful mishandling of classified documents. earlier this week, you'll remember this leaked audio from a 2021 meeting, seemingly capturing former president trump showing off what he admitted was a classified document. this is at his club in bedminster. about a potential plan to attack iran from while he was president. >> well, with milley, let me see that, i'll show you an example. he said that i wanted to attack iran. isn't it amazing? i have a big pile of papers. this thing just came up. look. this was him. they presented me this -- this is off the record -- but they presented me this. this was him. this was the defense department and him. wait a minute, let's see here. [ laughter ] >> yup. >> isn't

jen palmieri, what stood out to you? concerning at a different time, but this is a time where leaders are not very popular and people are uncertain. it's a scary time. you know, emanuel macron got reelected in france with approval ratings in the low 30s. it's steady. i think that's fine. the durability of trump even in the face of the indictments is something to take in. i do still think it's too early to tell on the indictment front. i have talked to republican voters in iowa that are still concerned about trump's electability. that could start to wane, but it sure feels like desantis is not getting any kind of traction. thinking about this from the perspective of the biden white house after what's happened in russia over the weekend, 43% approval rating, not great, but steady. now i think they have the opportunity to build on that and kind of in the middle of this chaos on the world stage and also at home, put some kind of structure around that. i would be arguing unparalleled experience at a time of chaos and uncertai

everybody that went out and followed her on the campaign, whether it was jen, whether it was jen palmieri, john heilemann, they all came back and said, "this is really good communicating to people. she works hard. she goes everywhere." i don't get it. i just don't get it. >> i don't get her either. because, as you said, she's very talented. she's, you know, just as a politician, she has the talent. she has the charisma. and i really don't get her persistence in this, right? so she ran as super maga and, you know, joined at the hip with trump, so she lost. >> right. >> but she persists. she keeps at it, as if beating her head against that wall is somehow going to change things. all it is going to do is hurt her more. so i think she is fore closing a political future for herself that she might have had, and some would argue, she should have had. she ought to be a good candidate for that state. she really should be. the state is changing, but it would still elect a mainstream republican. as you say, she could have governed for as long as she wanted. it ain't happening now. it's not happening