jengo unchained made $160 million. lincoln made $182 million. 12 years a slave only made 56 million, but it only cost 20 million to make. so it made twice as much of its budget, which is ruffly the same. so this sort of mini up surge has provoked a lot of debate and discussion. and then also in youtube shorts and different series. we are continuing that conversation today. all of our panelists have written about, reviewed, taught courses on and consulted for films about slavery. catherine clinton will be coming back to the united states this fall. she's the author of numerous books about gender, race and the american civil war, including biographies and she's edited the diaries and memoirs of suzi king taylor and mary chestnut. professor clinton serves on the advisory committees and the virginia ses quill centennial commission. i'm imagining we're going to hear about some of that experience today. john insgo is university professor at the yooumpbunivers georgia. he is the co-article thor of appalachian civil war. he is