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jenna ellis, it seems, has made a break from the trump people. during her plea she says, i at least now acknowledge these lies were lies. sidney powell has done no such thing. sidney powell is back out there spewing this election lie garbage. and for that reason, do not think sidney powell is at all a viable witness. i don't think there's a chance the d.a. or any prosecutor calls sidney powell. jenna ellis could be a different story. >> a lot of times the failure to pay legal fees is the straw that breaks the back and sends someone over to the other side. >> she had come out and enor doed ron desantis in the primary. she did ultimately say ron desantis was the better choice for the future. and it's believed by people in trump world that's why he did not offer to pay her legal bills. >> what stood out to me is seeing that clip of jenna ellis -- there's a lot more to come. that's in georgia. but there is an argument going on in the federal case in washington with the special counsel jack smith about cameras being inside the courtroom. and the trump

jenna ellis could be extremely valuable because she's an insider. as this conversation she's testifying about with dan scavino illustrates the innermost people within donald trump's closest circles of power felt comfortable telling her the plans. she could be a really valuable witness. >> kerry what stands out to you about this? >> well, again, i echo what elie says about the importance. i wonder whether she has information that potentially could be relevant to jack smith's election case as well. she is a very compelling witness. she is the one individual who has so far pled guilty to a felony. some of the other lawyers that were working for the former president had pled guilty to only misdemeanors. and so she really was facing some more severe consequences that perhaps have motivated her to be this forthcoming with prosecutors. >> good point. elie, what do you make of the differences in what we're now hearing from jenna ellis and what sydney powell? >> night and day. i think this is a good example of how cooperation does work ask does not work. coo

please welcome jenna lyons [ cheers and applause ♪ >> jimmy: that's jenna lyons right there.> jimmy: you look fantastic i'm so happy thank you for coming back. >> i would never miss a chance to talk to you >> jimmy: i love you, you know that but i have so many things i've got to discuss with you. >> let's start >> jimmy: i'm happy you're here tonight, because thanksgiving is sort of an anniversary for you. >> it is >> jimmy: this is the first time you actually moved to new york city. >> yeah, so, in 1990 i came here for school and then i came back for my first job at j crew and in 1990 my girlfriend -- not girlfriend girlfriend just friend girlfriend -- drove across country and we landed in new york on thanksgiving >> jimmy: you actually went to school here, right >> i went to school. i went to parsons for fashion design so, i started in '87, which was kind of incredible it was like an amazing time. back in the day of marc jacobs, and donna karan, and calvin klein, and isaac mizrahi. it was like the heyday of american fashion one of the things that you do in school is you hav

there's going to be a little evidentiary challenge for jenna ellis.oing to be a here say objection. she will say, they can get over the hurdle because they have to put him on the witness list. this is not good for mr. trump. this on top of the new york trial, he's not having a good week. >> don jr. on the stand again. it wasn't a deja vu. it was a new statement and testimony happening. how do you think he performed today? >> it was like an infomercial for trump properties. he talked about how great the properties were. but this case is not about are they good or bad. it's about the valuation and the over valuation. sometimes many times over. some of the evidence that came in today, was harmful. they put a brochure into evidence that said 40 wall street was 72 stories. but according to public records it's 63 stories. they made the state's case for them today. i thought it was a face plant. >> likely eric will take the stand again. if don jr. face planted, what happens to them? >> a lot of the opportunities has been lost. going into trial, don jr. was o

jenna ellis talked about the conversation she had with dan scavino in december, 2020.owell recalled what some of trump trump's top white house staff told the then president that same month. >> i emphasized him, i thought that the the claims and the ability to challenge the election results was essentially over because he said to me, and i kind of said to him, we don't hear and we're not going to leave. i said what do you mean? and he said well, the boss, meaning president trump, and everyone understood the boss, that's what we all called him, he said the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power. and i said to him, well, it doesn't quite work that way, you realize. he said we don't care. >> miss powell, were you around when someone, anyone, told donald trump that he had lost the election. >> oh, yeah. >> who? >> pat cipollone, eric herschmann, derek lions, all thought he had lost. >> what was president trump's reaction when he faced this cadre of advisers would say you lost? >> it was like, well, they would say that and they

that quote from jenna ellis. was it?jenna ellis is emerging as a more promising potential witness than sydney powell, precisely for the reasons she identifies. jenna ellis seems to have made an actual break from the trump people. during her plea, she said i at least now acknowledge that these lies were spreading about election fraud were not live. city powell has not done such thing. since she took her plea, she's back out there spewing this election lie garbage. for that reason, i do not think sydney powell is at all in viable witness. i don't think there's any chance the dea or any prosecutor ever calls sydney powell. generals could be a different story. >> you think trump will end up wishing he would pay for dallas 's legal fees? >> it could. be the straw that breaks the back and send some over to the other side. >> frankly, one of the other trivial reasons he did not with because should come out and endorse ron sense in the primary. she stayed very loyal to donald trump, got you to spot the election lies, but it ulti

jenna ellis testifies that. now it's out there. now, a potential juror is polluted. the juror has heard testimony from key people that could not be admissible in trial. but it's out there. that's one of the reasons this should remain confidential. for everything out, let it all hang out. in this particular case, it's sensitive. and the judge made the right decision in terms of keeping this controversial from here on in. >> that's the key. you think why. why do you want to get this into the court of public opinion? we're less than a year away from a presidential election. donald trump loves the camera. you're aware of that. he's gone out in the hallway for the new york civil fraud trial time and time again. he wants to have cameras in the courtroom for the federal court. in georgia, it's allowed. not there. when you look at that, does that have a potential for good transpartr transparency or media circuit? >> isn't the answer all of the above? it's the way to show folks that might be on the fence, that trump is being treated equally and fairly. we know the circus woul

he's the person jenna ellised she had the conversation about the baas is not leaving. where does that put him? he was one of the people who could have been charged can contempt of congress. he wasn't. the question is did he get a deal? >> it's possible. we don't know. we're not going to know that for a little bit. you go back to, you know, what was said months earlier by folks close to donald trump. you know, his whole thing is going to be, deny he lost, stay in power. we have seen that time and time again. and what's really sad to me about this is that, and it is something that i think instinctively a lot of people and a lot of lawyers have known all along. that donald trump wanted to find a lawyer that would tell him what he wanted. that's the whole thing that we're seeing here. he's got really good lawyers. i may disagree with them from a political standpoint, but their are excellent lawyers. pat cipollone is a great lawyer. for them to be able to talk to him and tell him, and him say no, i'm going to shove you out and find jenna ellis and sidney powell and rudy giu

it's not going to be necessarily admissible through jenna ellis. it is double hearsay.t a charged party. he is not a coconspirator, at least identified yet in the indictment. so how does that come in? at the very least, she provided an investigative lead. she provided information for the d. a. to go and follow up on and hopefully flip dan scavino because this could be really important evidence as to trump's motive for why he was involved in the fake electors scheme, all of the r. i. c. o. conspiracy ties into, i did not want to leave office. >> so, jack smith could potentially use this video in the federal election's case? >> i don't think he can use the video, only if potentially jenna ellis said something different, and then potentially who could use it to confront her for changing her story. but the statement itself, the truth of it, not admissible on its own. it is dan scavino told her what trump told him. so, he would have to find a way to try and get it in, either through dan scavino saying with trump told him, trump's party, so it can be admissible then. or maybe

we are tracking breaking news coming up in a couple of minutes, where jenna ellis, the convicted trump aide, talked about donald trump's coup motive, and this is video where you're going to see her in a few moments on video explaining this to georgia prosecutors. we're just making sense of it, and we have that for you this hour as well as something else, quite special, a brand new interview with legendary journalist, bob woodward. we caught up with him in washington for the summit series that debuts tonight. this is brand new. we were work in georgetown near his home where he took me through his personal library. we get a look inside the home library and a political journalistic history that we can tell you quite clearly, you will not see anywhere else. tonight, that's coming up, bob woodward new on "the beat." >>> all the heat on donald trump, from the coup news i just mentioned to why historians and other experts say there's a very certain way you have to confront some of what he said this weekend. our top story right now is the big news out of the supreme court which has been absolu

jenna ellis maybe less so. i want to read this from "the washington post." quote, powell told prosecutors she still believes election macn and believes many past elections have been flipped, too. quote, bush stole ohio in 2004, she said, but they pressed her on the issue asking how she could know that after admitting she doesn't personally understand how the machines work. >> mm-hmm. and she also said she doesn't know election law either. >> doesn't know how the machines work. doesn't know election law. >> yabout you just wants to go out there and say whatever. >> exactly. look, it shows -- i mean, there may be a legal reason why she is trying to continue to make the argument that that is what she truly believed and she believes that is what trump truly believed. obviously, not true. joe biden did win the election. but, you know -- >> and so did george w. bush. >> yes. however, i think the thing i what point out, it's all very jarring, but we have seen this movie before time and time again with the trump team. clearly, things are happening behind the scenes.

attorney jenna el lils was told donald trump, the boss, as they called him, would not leave the white house under any circumstances. trump's lawyers now responding tonight. aaron katersky standing by. >>> the massive fire shutting down one of the busiest and most congested highways in america. part of the i-10 freeway in downtown los angeles. and of course tonight, when will it remain? >>> in new york city, the scare high above the ground. two workers dangling from scaff scaffolding. >>> also, a state of emergency tonight. the ground rumbling tonight. >>> and former speaker pelosi's husband taking the stand just moments ago. what he testified. >>> good evening. it's great to start another week with all of you at home. we do begin tonight with our team inside gaza tonight. a rare look at israel's ground war against hamas. israeli forces surrounding gaza city and moving in, now at some of the hospitals that are now the center of this fight being watched by the world. israel says these hospitals are being used to shield hamas fighters. the palestinian red crescent denies militants are in

former trump attorney jenna ellis telling prosecutors she was informed the president did not plan toeave the white house, quote, under any circumstances. >>> the new house speaker needs help from democrats to avoid a shutdown. will he get it? >>> new york city mayor eric adams now at the center of an fbi investigation set to answer questions from reporters this morning. >>> former trump eiallies revealing new details of what they knew, did, and heard even throughout the broad effort to overturn the 2020 election and also keep donald trump in power. video clips obtained by abc news and "the washington post" reveal some of what attorneys like sidney powell and jenna ellis told prosecutors after they agreed to cooperate with the case against trump and others. coming out of fulton county, georgia, ellis talks about a conversation she had late 2020 with danske vino. scavino tells ellis, the boss is not going to leave under any circumstance. listen to this. >> he said to me ain a kind of excited tone. we don't care and we're not going to leave. i said, what do you mean? he said, well, the

jenna ellis thing, it's so stark to me.is her -- one of the president's chief lawyers talking about a conversation she had with dan scavino was tight as anything with donald trump. social media, but almost a body how much he travels and is close to the president. i want to use this word advisedly, from a civic sense, scavino saying we're not going to leave, we don't care, in a civic sense evil. it shows contempt for our democracy on the fundamental level. let me connect the dots. it's a foreshadowing the campaign donald trump vuning which is essentially a promising and more authoritarian autocratic campaign, matter of policy and rhetoric. contempt for democracy. contempt for democratic norms. that's the way they're campaigning. that was their mindset at the end of the office, we'll just refuse to leave power on the basis of no evidence after losing all the cases. that's contempt for our democracy. >> john brings up a really important point because it couples with the vermin comment that trump made this weekend about politic

so jenna ellis testifies to that. that's hearsay.ly would not be admissible in court, except now that they have heard it, now it's out there, now a potential juror is polluted, a potential juror now has heard testimony from key people that would not be admissible in trial. but it's out there. so that's one of the reasons this should remain confidential. usually -- let everything all hang out. but in this particular case, it's very sensitive. and i think the judge made the right decision and terms of keeping this confidential from here on. >> and that's the key isn't it, gentlemen, when you think about the why? what you want to get things and to the court of public opinion? yes, it's the jury pool. we are also yes than a year away, brian, from a presidential election. donald trump loves a camera, we are well aware of that. he has gone out in the hallway for the new york civil fraud trial time and time again to give his own summation of what's happening. kate wants to have cameras in the courtroom, even in the federal court. georgia, i

sydney paul, jenna ellis, who is not far out of law school had no experience. these are the people on which he's going to claim to rely when the pros in the room are continually telling him in the presence of the clown car all significant evidence of his understanding and his intent. >> in the presence of the clown car, you said what? let me play some of the testimony. we have that on tape. >> were you ever around when someone, anyone told donald trump that he lost the election? >> oh, yeah. >> who? >> pat cipollone, derek lions, all thought he had lost. >> what was president trump's reaction when the advisers would say he lost? >> it was like they would say that and walk out. this is what i deal with all the time. >>. >> even if her she seems to be trying to flip, she's pruing that all the time trump was with the reality that he lost the election. >> derek lions, is a lawyer, those are people who were his lieutenants, trusted but his side throughout. they are telling him the truth. you lost. he continues to spout these ridiculous theories of election fraud, wh

pull up some sweets, including one citing jenna ellis that they have also cited here. the judge in this case, what will they be weighing as they consider the request? >> the judge will be weighing, fist of all, the fact that the bond terms did specifically say that he was not to contact witnesses directly or indirect ly. so he doesn't have the excuse that this was a public tweet, this was a public statement. the bond term specifically covered that, which i think is important and should be important, will be important to the judge. the second thing the judge will be weigh ing is the content. as you said, there are several different examples but in at least one of them, he calls jenna ellis essentially a liar. he says you're a mess and questions her credibility. these are some of the saim things that have come up in other cases where prosecutors have pointed to statements by donald trump undermining the credibility of certain witnesses. so it's about potential witness intimidation and also undermining their credibility in the public sphere, which can make it problematic

we don't care. >> seth: first of all, it's never a good day when you get a lecture on the law from jennathe one who went on a cross-country tour of state legislatures with rudy, holding up a speakerphone to let trump rant like a grandpa in hospice calling for thanksgiving here's what i found revealing about that a, it's clear proof of intent to orchestrate a criminal conspiracy, because they knew they had no proof of fraud and were planning to stay in power and, b, trump left anyway. he's all tough talk, but when it comes down to it he's not playing hardball, he's playing -- >> tiddlywinks [ laughter ] >> seth: this has been "a closer look." [ cheers and applause ♪ we'll be right back with chris tucker, everybody! [ cheers and applause ♪ >> announcer: for more of seth's "closer looks" be sure to subscribe to "late night" on youtube. (tony hawk) skating for over 45 years has taken a toll on my body. i take qunol turmeric because it helps with healthy joints and inflammation support. why qunol? it has superior absorption compared to regular turmeric. qunol. the brand i trust. announcer: tr

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let's first pick up where jenna ellis left off there.s idea dan scavino told her we're just going to stay in power. seems like a searing indictment. can it be used in court? is it hearsay? how does this qualify as a piece of evidence? >> the fact you know to ask if it's hearsay. so, first of all i would say, yes, i mean this is damaging testimony if it comes in. why? because it shows that this was a plan. it wasn't that he really believed he had won the election but rather this was the plan. i think her testimony in one of the questions was why did he listen to you, why not some other lawyers? well, because we were telling him what he want today hear. >> that was sidney powell that said that. >> yes. and that would negate advice of -- >> of counsel. >> exactly. and sticking your head in the sand, which you can't do, all of that. so substantively this is very bad for trump 100%, but the fact it's out is very bad i think for the prosecution. >> can you talk more about that. obviously fani willis is not happy about this. she wants a protect

co-star, if she's in fact walked out, in solidarity with that action, then coud us to her, because jenna ortega uh is is a big catch for the for the screen franchise, so that would have been a loss, yeah, well people are definitely speaking up and they're using their platform. indeed um right, teenage males, discuss. bbc news, again, you know, loving their presenters and how they uh report and the journalism, you know, top notch, obviously um being sarcastic there, so we'll see this video as uh, she reports about israel's um, in israeli jails, uh, they are women and also, teenage males, according to a list that's been put out of some 300 names, now during this time. teenage males who are probably like age 15 or younger calling them you know teenagers so we don't say children yeah because that of course would bring up the question why were they imprisoned in the first place exactly we mentioned that before and you know no one's questioning that no one saying anything about that and we know that they've got thousands of child prisoners from many many years some of them have grown up only t

plus, new reporting tonight on what lawyer jenna ellis shared with prosecutors in trump's georgia electionerference case. now that she's cooperating. including that she was told, quote, the boss is not going to leave. >>> and we begin tonight with a reminder. donald trump has told you who he is over and over again. so you should believe him. because as frightening as the prospect of a second trump term is, you don't have to wonder. he is telling us exactly what he plans to do. and that includes a reference to the nazi playbook, as he did on veterans day. with trump embracing the language of hate, using the words vermin twice to describe his perceived political enemies. first, in a social media post on his fake twitter, and later repeated verbatim in a speech in new hampshire. >> in honor of our great veterans on veterans day, we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country that lie and steal and cheat on elections. the threat from outside forces is far less sinister, dangerous, an

there was also a coup plot revealed to jenna ellis at a white house christmas party. told prosecutors about a conversation she had with tom's trump's top aide, dan scavino. >> he said an excited tone, we don't care, and we're not going to leave. i said, what do you mean, and he said, well, the boss, meaning president trump. the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power. i said to him, it is not quite work that way, relies. he said, we don't care. >> joining us now is mimi roker, the district attorney of was county, new york, and the former district attorney in the southern district of new york. thank you for being here. let's pick up or jenna ellis left off there, this idea that dance given a told her, we're just going to stay in power, i had to read it there. we are just going to stay in power. seems like a searing indictment that can be used in court, is it hearsay, how does this qualify as a piece of evidence? >> the fact that you know to ask if it is hearsay shows that this was the plan. >> i should get a lot degree. >>

you heard jenna ellis say trump did not intend to leave the white house.trump attorney, he was the orchestrater of the false elector scheme. he said he met with donald trump at the white house and advised trump about the fake slate of electors scheme. this is notable because there are questions as to the extent where donald trump was aware of the effort to send the fake slate of electors to washington, d.c. >> according to "the posts," and chesebro says trump was aware of the fake electors. >> yeah, i think all of this testimony tends to advance the ball on the knowledge of intent. the defense attorney's comment about diminishing this evidence reminds me of the kind of evidence you hear in a closing argument and that is to pick a piece of the evidence and say that doesn't prove the case. it's consistent with a theory that donald trump was going to overturn the election and stay in power at any cost. >> what does the fact that, let's say, it could be shown clearly that the former president trump was told over and over again that he had, indeed, lost the ele

in the supreme court's ethics up today, and buccaneers the night on what former trump lawyer jenna ellis is telling prosecutors in georgia, and what that all means. but first, let's go back to that historical figure, trump seems to admire so much. this weekend, trump vowed to root out what he called the radical left dogs that live like vermont within the confines of our country. that is an exact quote. for the students of history out there, if that sounds familiar to you, it's because it echoes the language of adolf hitler. as he told czech foreign minister, among many others, this was the language he used frequently, quote, this vermin must be destroyed. look, lots of things trump says are shocking. they are shocking on a daily basis, but it's important a pause on this for a moment, because the former president, who is also the current front runner for the republican nomination and very much could end up in the oval office, is mirroring the dangerous rhetoric hitler used to come back to the holocaust. this is not an isolated incident. an and interview just last month, trump used graphic

cheseboro and powell, their plea agreements with different than jenna ellis'. hers says full cooperation. i'll continue to come in and talk to the prosecutors. seems like she's on team usa where the others doesn't say anything like that. just says they'll testify truthfully. what that means in their minds may be different than fani willis. >> i want to turn to something else that is on the one hand not big news and important but was revealed this week. the new tapes and reporting lead us to basically the elephant or i guess the alligator in the . because two of these convicted trump allies in this very case, we learned met on an alligator hunt. "the washington post" just reported this amidst all the new proffer information, that sidney powell who we just discussed and bail bondsman sidney powell were hunting for alligators together. these images are of an unrelate alligator hunt. this went down before any of the two of them had any idea they would soon become the legally hunted. we know they didn't get away when powell was getting ready for mug shot. she though

the witnesses, jenna ellis, sidney powell, kenneth chesebro and scott hall, people once among trump'strongest supporters, but now talking to fulton county prosecutors as part of their plea deals. garrett haake with more details. >> reporter: this morning, new revelations in the 2020 election interference case. >> his instinct was to get one. >> pardon my french, but -- >> reporter: through a series of taped interviews between prosecutors and defendants who accepted plea deals, first reported by abc news and published by "the washington post." >> he said to me and in a kind of excited tone, well, dwoent we don't care and we're not going to leave. >> reporter: jenna ellis who pleaded guilty last month detailing to prosecutors an alleged conversation with dan scavino at a white house christmas party. >> he said, the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power. and i said to him, well, it doesn't quite work that way, you realize. and he said, we are don't care. >> reporter: in an interview that lasted nearly three hours, ex-trump lawyer sidney po

in particular, really attacking jenna ellis. looking at one of the tweets right now two days ago saying that she was lying on dan scavino and i guess they don't teach ethics at harvard law anymore. as an aside, jenna ellis did not go to harvard law school. but, the larger point is that harrison floyd has engaged in a two-week long campaign to intimidate and fight back against people involved in this case, ranging from brad raffensperger and sterling and ellis and powell. and finally the motion ends with a litany of his tweets, aimed squarely at ruby freeman, who is the person that he victimized in the first place, leading to the charges against him and who he continues to victimize and was publicly the most offensive conduct that he engaged in, according to da fani willis' team. i look forward to seeing how this motion is litigated, but this is just the opening salvo that we have here right now, joy. >> barb, can you comment on this. because the thing is that donald trump, the problem with his behavior is that it is infectious.

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ths should run fetterman fetterman for president.presid jenna from michigan. sorry, jenna. i tried to get you in, but they say i'd run out of time. >> looofk, all this time i had to talk to jenna, but they were worried. always remember. i'm watters, and this is my world. >> welcome to "hannity". and tonight, terrible news for joe bide, everyon. hysteria and disbelief is now once again spreading all across the democratic party. with justy."t one year until the 2024 presidential election, biden is losing it to donald trump in nearly every single swing state in the country? look at this "new york times" poll. trump is now u nowp by four in pennsylvania, five in michigan, five in arizona, six in georgia, and he's up by a whopping ten points in the stat 10 poine of nevada. now, by the way, kamala harris fares even worse in a hypothetical match up against trump. but that's not all. p againsa new abc news poll fins of americans now believe the country is headed in the whe country is headed in the what about the other 24%? what are they thinking? you better off than you were four y

ths should run fetterman fetterman for president.presid jenna from michigan. sorry, jenna. i tried to get you in, but they say i'd run out of time. >> looofk, all this time i had to talk to jenna, but they were worried. always remember. i'm watters, and this is m

i think that the dan scavino quote from jenna ellis' perspective is a big deal saying that the boss is not going to leave. that is telling that regardless of the merit with respect to these election fraud allegations, it was not going to change president trump's mind at the time. he was going to fight it to the end, regardless of what the facts said. >> trump's lead attorney in georgia put out a statement to abc news about the they said this. the only fact to this nonsense line of inquiry is president trump left the white house in january 2021 and returned to mar-a-lago in florida. essentially, this was all meaningless because he did leave the white house. how strong of an argument is that? >> that's sort of classic trump brett va do. first of all, an out of court like that has nothing to do with the actual trial. it's meaningless. likely, his attorneys are a little nervous at this point. the proffer session ises not only police indicate trump, but lower level codefendants in had this case as well going back to that idea of flipping up the chain. so of the other co-defendants are likel

that is what the former attorney jenna ellis told georgia prosecutors after she agreed to cooperate in the election subversion case. in an interview with the washington post is said describing a conversation that she had with dan scavino, a top aide where he told ellis this. >> he told me in an excited tone, well we don't care, and we are not going to leave. i said what do you mean? he said, well, the boss, meaning president trump, and everyone understood the boss, and that is what we all called him, the boss is not going leave under any circumstance, and we are just going to stay in power, and i said, well, it does not quite work that way, you realize, and he said, we don't care. >> a statement from the past, but one that could offer a window into the trump approach for the future like his current campaign to get back into the white house, and it is not just those videos but it is also more recent videos like this one from this weekend. >> we will rout out the communists, fascist, and the radical left thug and vermin that live in our country and the threat from our outside forces are

jenna, along with her sister barbara. >> they are releasing a new children's book together it's calledon't have a sister, but i have a cousin that makes me brave. we realized love is the common denominator. our book is all about love and the many form it takes in our life. >> yes and one other person that taught us about love is, of course, our grandmother. she loved service and inspiring children to give back, hoping the next generation would leave children's hospital in portland, maine and spent the day with inspiring kids who we know would make her so proud. >> my grandmother's life was inspired by love. her love was limitless. she spread her life everywhere she went. >> you are a the world a little kinder than >> you are a beautiful girl. >> she cherished her many visits to the barbara bush children's hospital in portland, maine. >> that is wonderful. >> which was named in her honor in 1998. >> we haven't had her in our lives in five years. so to be reminded of her in the little things around this place always makes us feel pretty good. >> three years after we lost her, a twist of

it's because of people like jenna ellis and sidney powell. sidney powell standing there after presser after presser, suggesting she was going to release a kraken. there was an international -- jenna ellis, in arizona, she was down there with rudy giuliani, making the case to speaker rusty bower to overturn and allow the legislature to give donald trump the win in arizona. to hear this to the extent that trump loyalists hear from these folks and see the proffer videos, i'm not sure, but it hits at the heart of the argument for the cameras being in the courtroom for the federal election interference case. these are compelling and revealing. >> jonathan, you wrote the book on the big steal. tell us about these two players and the significance of them stepping forward now and saying it was all a lie, and specifically that donald trump was told by his lawyers -- >> many times. >> -- by his lawyers many times that he lost the election. >> that's the most important point, which we'll come back to. in terms of refreshing people's memories, sidney pow

sarah, i'll start with you and jenna ellis. jenna alice, who tearfully had so much remorse about this, but in this tape you hear her say that one of trump's top aides in the white house at the time said he wasn't going to leave. how significant is that? >> listen, i think this is gonna be pretty powerful evidence in this trial and everybody is watching it. trump's team is looking at it thinking about how they are going to try to skirt around this evidence at the trial, but those words will be pretty evident, pretty powerful evidence when she comes to testify at the trial. >> is this about his mind, his intent here? >> yeah, i think that what we have seen so far in the video really does go to his intent and that is going to be the crux of, can they show his intent? can they connect them to the actions of all the others that were involved in the election interference? >> margaret, jen ellis, it is so amazing how much of an about face she personally has made. but so many people who have been a part of this house of cards, they are

video of former trump lawyer jenna ellis talking to prosecutors.ibes a conversation they had with top trump aide scav aino in 2020. >> he said to me in an excited tone, we don't care and we are not going to leave. i said, what do you mean? he said, the boss, meaning president trump, and everyone understood the boss. he said the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. we are just going to stay in power. and i said to him, well, it doesn't work that way, you realize? he said, we don't care. >> joining us to discuss is alyssa griffin, podcast host josh barro and "new york times" national political reporter herndon, i want to start with you. can you describe -- this isn't some random guy. he is literally everywhere always with the president since the campaign in '15. >> yes. one of his right-hand men. he was deputy chief of staff in the final stretch of the trump administration. his office was in the outer oval office. he was the person, trump would say get me dan, help him craft tweets. i think jenna ellis is going be a formidable witness

this is where the date is really important, lawrence, jenna ellis said that that conversation with gavino app and on december 19th. that's after the save harvard deadline to resolve state election disputes and certify the election, that was december 8th. it's also after the date that the electors met the cats their vote, which is december 14th. most importantly, it was at the trump filed in the united states supreme court of december 11th, 2020, and you might remember, that jenna ellis testified from january six committee, a holiday party, donald trump said to mark meadows, 64 stuff, i don't want people to know that we lost, it's embarrassing, figured out. you need to figure it out. so, all of this together paints a really damaging picture for telecom. i can say that i have never been to any christmas parties, where a topic of conversation is whether a sitting president is going to complete disregard the results of an election, but evidently, that is what happened in the trump white house. >> okay, we have nor video, and this next pieces video obtained by abc news of attorney sydney powel

here he is receiving a message from jenna ellis after floyd attacked her on former twitter. >> in thesage ms. jenna ellis states i saw it couple days after i was posted, yes, i believe it was meant to both intimidate and huhas me and also encourage others to harass me, which others have done in the comments and separate posts. >> willis also called two more witnesses, gabriel sterling and vaughn debos, the lawyer for ruby freeman. floyd is such a trump disciple, his lawyers echoed trump's lawyer by arguing his comments were political speech protected by the first amendment. >> we don't and we should not chill speech. he has the right to make political speech. he has the right to talk about the facts of this case in -- in twitter. >> d.a. willis wanted floyd remanded into custody today. the judge did not agree to that, but he did recognize that some of floyd's posts were a technical violation of the terms of his bond but that it didn't merit the revocation of his bond. he had to modify the bond agreement to include tighter restrictions on his social media communication. joining me now

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