you were on the today show, and jenna bush asked but remedies for working mother guilt. what are memories for that? >> -- remedies for that. >> it's interesting because the idea for the working mother guilt remedies chapter actually came from one of the boomer power moms, and she was someone i interviewed for earning it, and used a quote from her in the one chapter in that book about working motherhood and that was this quote in which she said, manager moms are not acrobats. and so when i then reinterviewed her for this book, she said, you ought to have a chapter about ditching working mother guilt because is it is a complete waste of energy. and i said, okay, if i have ten hacks in that chapter you have to give me at least one. and so one of those is this notion that in her case, she got home from work in time to have dinner with her family, her kids and her husband, who for most of her career was a stay at home dad, and rather than give herself a big hard time about the fact that once again they're sitting down for dinner at 7:00, she said, let celebrate the fact that,