so we've gone through jenna ellis, through john eastman. you've mentioned other that will try to argue immunity, that is mark meadows. jeffrey clark is trying to get an emergency stay against fani willis and this case. ryan, explain what he is trying to do. >> he is citing for one a law that actually only applies to civil cases. but essentially trying to get this stopped in its tracks. he has been battling a lot of this for a long time. he famously had his house raided by federal investigators as they were investigating sort of the interference with the 2020 campaign. and he is sort of this man inside doj, the man who was almost attorney general despite the fact that he had zero criminal experience and a lot of his colleagues including trump appointees were wondering what the heck was going on with him because he was spouting all of these sort of ludicrous conspiracy theories about how the election was stolen via smart thermostat. so he is an individual basically trying to stop this from the very beginning. but is very much inside of the do

so my questions are is jenna ellis flipping?nd if so given the financial pressure on her other 17 codefendants or 16, how long until we see others make a similar choice? i am joined once again by andrew wiseman. andrew, are we overthinking this one yet? jenna ellis in financial straits meeting with the d.a. before she surrenders? >> i think we may be a little bit over our skis. the biggest issue if i were counseling one of these people as independent counsel not being paid by a trump pac is that the window for cooperating is really now. there is sort of a race to come in. and if you want to -- to be able to tell a judge at sentencing, you know, i accepted responsibility and this is how i helped, it helps to be the first in, not the 17th in because you really want to say i broke the law, i did this. yes, deiddid these wrong things but here's what i did right to make it right. and putting that off, there's all sorts of things that could happen down the road. for instance, if you want to give information about donald trump, well, w

jenna ellis, another trump attorney who is charged tweeting, why isn't maga inc. funding everyone's defense? what kind of pressure does that have for people who are codefendants? >> the biggest question is what to do? do i cooperate? do i plead guilty? do i fight? and financial pressure is one of the things that typically impacts the decision on how to move forward. financial pressure means you want the case to end. you want to weigh out. i think the defendants who are feeling that pressure are going to be more inclined to talk to fani willis and get a path out. >> jenna ellis is openly complaining about the fact they're not covering her legal fees. >> i think 100%. what's key here is we're just getting started. there haven't been prefile motions. they haven't really done the process here. these criminal cases are going to be complicated. and with each complication, the costs skyrocket. >> another person who is charge heerd is mark meadows, obviously trump's former chief of staff. he's arguing in a new filing that the charges against him, he believes, should be di

you canga send jenna ellis mone or you can send jenna ellis digital prayers to help her defend herself in this case in georgia. and there are ais lot of potent tea leaves we could read there. does that mean that trump is not footing jenna ellis' legal bills? what does it mean for the rest of the s?codefendants in his ca. at the moment trump should be doing all he can to keep all the codefendants and alleged codefendants on his side, how long can trump afford to pay other peoples a lawyers and for that matter his own? joining me now are mary mccorder, former acting assistant security, and andrew wiseman, member of robert mueller's special counsel investigation. they're the co-hosts of the msnbc podcast "prosecuting donald trump" where i get all my good ideas for things to talk about on television. andrew, the burn rate in terms of trump's pacs spending money on these legal problems is staggering, and that was all the data we have is from before these latest indictments landed. does this seem problematic to you as it does to the lay person on the outside? >> so i have a couple thoughts.

jenna ellis and sidney powell, the lawyers, also surrendering, as well. and what rudy giuliani is now saying tonight. and what to expect when donald trump arrives at that jail tomorrow. aaron katersky in atlanta. >>> for hours today, the shootout. the neighborhood under siege in pittsburgh. the suspect opening fire on deputies, the gunman also shooting down multiple police drones. s.w.a.t. on the scene, rescuing people from neighboring homes. there is late word coming in tonight the suspect dead. trevor ault on the scene. >>> more than 100 million americans facing sweltering temperatures. in chicago alone today, the heat index, the feel-like reading, 116 degrees. rob marciano is here. >>> tonight, in new york city, the young woman who shoved a beloved 87-year-old broadway singing coach down to the ground, later dying. tonight, that suspect in court. will she go to prison? what happened today. >>> the first republican debate. eight candidates in their first showdown. donald trump a no-show. rachel scott in milwaukee. >>> newly released body camera video to

jenna ellis would be one of the top people around trump and is charged with fewer crimes.he allegations are in the racketeering case against her and others. she is central to much of those efforts. so even if she has fewer felony charges that she's going to be facing, pleading not guilty to very likely, and trying to contest in court, she's in a different space getting $100,000 bond, compared to others today who are getting $50,000 or $75,000, who may be charged on the books with more federal, or i'm sorry, with more state crimes at this point in time. >> kaitlyn polantz, thank you. this is a significant development. jenna ellis playing a major role in trying to overturn the i two 20 election, at least publicly. >> that's right. and she has resorted to crowd funding to pay her mounting legal fees. she's publicly questioned why trump and list super pac that he formed are not helping her out. have a listen. >> so far, president trump and the campaign have not given me anything for my legal defense. i have also not personally asked him. i have not asked the campaign. i don't

but jenna ellis has also complained about donald trump not paying her legal bills.'s been quite outspoken about that. rudy giuliani was trying for months and months to get donald trump to pay his legal bills. he had wanted something like $20,000 a month and trump had essentially refused to pay him despite to get these legal bills paid. finally now when he showed up at the jail, is donald trump saying he is now going to try to help him with the legal bills. that's in stark contrast to some of these other lawyers. donald trump paid millions of dollars to other attorneys who i think he valued more or thought could help him more. he had thrown rudy away it seems. and i think that does present a risk, you know, when you're talking about trying to get co-defendants to testify or to provide evidence to the prosecution. >> i do believe one of the mug shots we have gotten today is the woman who was running the coffee county election office and allowed people to get into the machines there. she had a gofundme. she was trying to raise $75,000 for her bail. she only hit 5,000.

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we actually had jenna ellis on "the beat" and i checked november 23ered. she's charged tonight. she said in that interview on november 23rd on tv donald trump won in a, quote, landslide. now, she can do those interviews and lie and we had a back and forth. but what she and others have to think about tonight is all the people that were there they submitted that, they e-mailed that, and if those people cooperate what side do you want to be on. on act 79 it lists several unindicted, scrammed, fraudulent or lying electors. they seem unindicted because they nay be cooperating. if you're one of the trump lawyers on the other side of that, trump got his own cal clas as we discuss that. those lawyers, those aides when we have trump fans, again, i'm going to talk about how cases work, an out-of-state individual who came into georgia to break laws and then left, yeah, you're on the wrong side of that. and there's an old saying we might get hit with a rico, and that saying referrings to the fact rappers know, people who watch movies and batman know rico is scary, and they bring it often th

and several of his former attorneys, including rudy giuliani, john eastman, jenna ellis, sydney powell, and kenneth chesebro. that cavalcade of former trump lawyers all have their most shots taken today, just as we were learning that trump is once again shaking up his legal team. and we will have more on that development later on this hour. there are still seven defendants in this case, who have not yet surrendered, though i do believe we have some breaking news, that they are expected to surrender by tomorrow at noon. that list includes jeffrey clark, the man trump tried to install as u.s. attorney general after the 2020 election. and trevian kutti, the publicist for rapper and not the enthusiast, kanye west. known as we are. who is involved in the alleged plot to -- a georgia poll worker, rudy freeman. for, now all eyes are on the former president. who just spoke to reporters on the tarmac at the airport. repeating the claims that he did nothing wrong, after being arrested for the fourth time in less than five months. charged with a total of 91 felonies. joining us now, from the fult

and several of his former attorneys, including rudy giuliani, john eastman, jenna ellis, sydney powell, and kenneth chesebro. that cavalcade of former trump lawyers all have their most shots taken today, just as we were learning that trump is once again shaking up his legal team. and we will have more on that development later on this hour. there are still seven defendants in this case, who have not yet surrendered, though i do believe we have some breaking news, that they are expected to surrender by tomorrow at noon. that list includes jeffrey clark, the man trump tried to install as u.s. attorney general after the 2020 election. and trevian kutti, the publicist for rapper and not the enthusiast, kanye west. known as we are. who is involved in the alleged plot to -- a georgia poll worker, rudy freeman. for, now all eyes are on the former president. who just spoke to reporters on the tarmac at the airport. repeating the claims that he did nothing wrong, after being arrested for the fourth time in less than five months. charged with a total of 91 felonies. joining us now, from the fult

and jenna ellis, who falsely claimed ballots were manipulated. tomorrow, it's trump's turn. the accused leader of the alleged criminal conspiracy saying, "i will proudly be arrested tomorrow afternoon in georgia." >> david: so, let's get right to aaron katersky, live again tonight in atlanta. and aaron, what can we expect tomorrow when the former president arrives at the fulton county jail there? >> david: sheriff's deputies will be waiting to record trump's height and weight, fingerprint him, and take his mug shot. here in georgia, trump is not going to have to immediately enter a plea in court. instead, the d.a. wants him back here in two weeks for arraignment, if the judge agrees. there would be cameras in court for that. one other note, david, and it's about trump's former chief of staff mark meadows. he's been trying to move this case into federal court, and while a judge today did not immediately rule on that, he did say tonight, it should not keep meadows from surrendering, so, he is due here to turn himself in noon on friday, something he had witbeing trying to avoid

john trump, william lewis giuliani, john eastman, mark randall meadows, john --, jeffrey clark, jenna ellis, ray stallings smith the 3rd, robert david shealy, michael roman, david james schaefer, sean steel, stephen cliffguard lee, harrison william prescott floyd, --, sydney catherine, kathleen austin latham. scott hall and miss hampton, also known as emily "misty" ha yes. everyone in this indictment is charged with one count of violating georgia's racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. visit ncicap.org] --[indiscernible] for participation to accomplish the illegal goal of allowing donald trump to seize the presidential term of office on january 20, 2021. specifically the participants in association took various actions in georgia and elsewhere to block the counting of the vote of the presidential electors who were certified as the winners of georgia's 2020 general elections treated as you examine the indictment you will see acts that are identified as overt acts and those identified as predicate acts, sometimes called acts

and jenna ellis, all lawyers are booked and charged in atlanta.has details. >> the man once known as america's mayor swarmed by reporters as he left the fulton county jail after he had his mugshot taken like a common criminal. this indictment is a travesty. the former mayor, who was said to be nearly broke, arrived in atlanta aboard a private plane. he's now free on a $150,000 bond, the biggest after former president trump's. all right, guys, please. >> i'm being frosty. >> recruited for defending an american citizen who i do as a lawyer. >> the indictment says giuliani did much more than that. peddling lies about election fraud and falsely accusing poll workers shaye moss and ruby freeman of stealing votes. giuliani ignored questions about the lies he told. >> i will tell you if you, giuliani's fellow lawyers also surrendering. >> sidney powell, who pushed the outrageous conspiracy theory that voting machines were controlled by venezuela and jenna ellis, who falsely claimed ballots were manipulated. sheriff's deputies will be waiting here at the

we know the trump pac is not going to pay for the legal fees of jenna ellis.l now, we only have donald trump charged by himself by special counsel jack smith in that -- in the 1/6 election interference case, but we do have a little bit of a joint defense going on with walt nauta and carlos de oliveira. they're standing strong, shoulder to shoulder, but that's probably in large part because their fees are being paid by donald trump. when they start to drop like flies and they feel the coldness of being out on their own, would she then turn on rudy giuliani, on sidney powell? i want to emphasize once last thing before i stop. it's not just donald trump here. you also have people that have their own individual criminal exposure in this case, so they have to actually be watching their sixes to see whether or not someone is going to flip on them. >> with the 30 seconds or so we have left, what should we expect in the surrender process? >> so ari, next friday, august 25th, by 12:00, you have to turn yourself in, according to fani willis. if you don't do so, the arre

there's trump veteran jenna ellis. you can see her smiling in her mug shot. she spent the weeks saying, quote, trump won this a landslide. david schafer indicted on rico charges. he attempted to claim falsely in a state that biden won that he was actually a rightful trump elector. there are plenty a people in prison right now for voting fraud convictions smaller than that. he also seems to be smiling in the new mug shot, but does blame trump for the plot. he said he was acting on trump's orders. other defendants have until friday to surrender. nine turned themselves in. here are what we count as some of the most pivotal leaders of the rico conspiracy. donald trump slated to turn himself in tomorrow. but as you can see, several of them we've updated with the mug shots are now booked. as promised, i want to bring in james carville, someone who knows politics, and i mean it as know knock on your experience that you've lived some history, sir. >> too much. >> you've lived through many different moments. i thought of you tonight. so good you could come. not for th

jenna ellis is publicly complaining that legal bills aren't being paid.giuliani any son are begging for legal feels to be paid for. it does seem that trump has the fund raising prowess to stop in the small dollars and pay for everyone's defense, which does look to be in his interest. >> it is in his interest. if you have an attorney who is representing your interests, and that conversation with you, and it will take time, and hopefully these are attorneys who will be familiar with georgia law, the georgia courthouse, the georgia d.a.'s office, so they can say, in my experience, this is the type of sentence, in my experience. they could also say i have been to the georgia state prison, and you don't want to be there, so you have an attorney you trust and who knows what she is doing, then you will get off and not have to do that trial. you'll have the conviction but you probably won't have to serve anytime. >> that's the big thing to. me it seems to me, and maybe i'm wrong, but viewing this, and i'm no expert in georgia law and no expert in the standard ope

he, sidney powell, and jenna ellis all booked today in atlanta. these are the attorneys who represented the former president through 61 failed challenges to the election that he lost. they're the ones that made countless false statements and unfounded claims on his behalf, and allegedly counseled him on actions that were legally or constitutionally dubious. three members of the bar, mr. giuliani, spoke with the press after his release. >> i am very, very honored to be involved in this case because this case is a fight for our way of life. this indictment is a travesty. if this can happen to me, who is probably the most prolific prosecutor maybe in american history and the most effective mayor for sure, it can happen to you. >> he was asked whether he still believes the 2020 election was rigged but either did not hear or chose not to answer the question. nor did he say who paid for his flight on a private jet to atlanta. giuliani told a court last week he's effectively out of clash. jeffrey clark and the former white house chief of staff found out

everything that i have said, every warning that i have given to rudy, to jenna ellis, given to sydney powell. i've given them to all of them. on shows a q r's. donald cares for no one or anything other than himself. why he refuses to make the payments when it's not even his money. it is a head-scratcher to me. i don't understand. it he's seen the consequences of allowing people to exit the -- and that's what it is. it's fealty to donald. look at what's happening when you allow these individuals to leave. let's not also forget that rudy, at one point in time, turned around and said, i have evidence. i have an insurance policy. was he bluffing the white donald bluffs? it seems so to me. >> one wonders. i was looking at the georgia accounts. this is just california. one of 41. and names everybody. they're starting with donald trump. trump said yesterday, i don't know who some of these people are. quite possibly he doesn't over the quake electra's were. the top of this list is rudolph giuliani, john charles eastman, mark randele meadows, kenneth john cheeseborough, jeffrey bosler clark, w

rudy giuliani, sydney powell and jenna ellis have been the latest. giuliani went after fani willis. >> fani willis will go down in american history as having conducted one of the worst attacks on the american constitution ever when this case is dismissed. she has violated people's first amendment right to advocate the government, to petition the government for grievances like an election they believe was poorly conducted or falsely conducted. people have a right to believe that in america. >> like trump giuliani has been barred from speaking to any of the other 18 co-defendants or witnesses in the case. he was released on a $150,000 bond agreement. indicate c caikatelyn polantz has more. >> reporter: donald trump will come with a full security detail as he proceeds to jail in response to the indictment related to his actions after the 2020 election. quite the moment for a former president to be going to jail, something he did not do in any of the other criminal indictments he faces. and that will make him the 10th person that we know of as of thursda

jenna ellis, her team the latest to negotiate the terms of her surrender, a $100,000 bond. she's charged with two counts. you look at a ray smith, his bond amount is half of that. $50,000. he's facing 12 charges. so what is actually going in to this negotiation in terms of determining the amounts? >> well, you know, usually not all counts count the same, you know, it's not just the number of charges you're looking at. it's the severity of certain charges. so i imagine what's going into it is the d.a.'s office, they've got their thinking about the severity of these different charges and the involvement of these different people, but it's not as simple as just adding up 12 to 2 to 5. it has to do with the nature of the alleged acts. >> we also have been talking about, we learned about this filing just before the top of the hour here from the mark meadows team. he doesn't want to surrender by friday at noon. he is asking a federal court, an arrest warrant from being issued if he does not do so by the district attorney. you know the district attorney, give us a sense, how do yo

here, people like jenna ellis and others thought, " 'i'm going to try to steal an election." rudy giuliani, "maybe i'll get another five minutes of fame." suddenly, they're finding stuff, i'll just say, got real. there are consequences to trying to steal an election. there are consequences, and i'll be more specific, oh, first amendment rights? no. they were part of a conspiracy to create fraudulent electors to replace legitimate electors who represented tens of millions of voters as the constitution said they would. they just thought, why not? we'll just go along for the ride with donald trump. what we're finding now, just like the january 6th people who went in and said, "yeah, hey, just because i think it's right and because donald trump tells me it's right, i can beat the hell out of cops." no, you can't, which reminds me about the story we'll talk about today. sheriffs who say, "oh, we don't have to enforce laws." i mean, i'm getting bored at this point. people thinking they can decide what the law is. don't work that way in america, willie. there are consequences to the

three key lawyers sidney powell, jenna ellis and rudy giuliani all surrendered today and are released on bond. giuliani completing yet another leg in his journey from america's mayor to criminal defendant. now, all of this comes as a federal judge has rejected a last-minute legal maneuver by mark meadows and jeffrey clark who were trying to avoid arrest if they failed to turn themselves in by friday's deadline. plus, a plane flying over russia just suddenly plum heets to earth. crashing and burning and killing everybody onboard, including, according to russian authorities, the wagner group chief and coup architect yevgeny prigozhin. now, many have been wondering how he managed to survive this long but notably that crash comes two months to the day after prigozhin led a failed mutiny against vladimir putin's military leadership. today president joe biden suggested putin may have been behind it. >> i don't know for a fact what happened. i am not surprised. there is not much that happens in russia without putin behind it. i don't know enough to know the answer. >> i want to begin with cn

lock giuliani, john eastman, kenneth chesebro, jeffrey clark, jenna ellis, they are each facing multiple charges in the furtherance of the conspiracy. the conspiracy called donald trump's criminal enterprise. rudolph giuliani is 79 years old. he is contemplating the possibility, tonight, of spending the final years of his life in prison in georgia, outside of the reach of a presidential pardon from the next republican president in united states. i first guest tonight, harry litman, and his legal column in the los angeles times calls this indictment the most far-reaching unpretentious response to trump's assault on democracy. special prosecutor jack smith is indicted on trump individually for much of the same conduct, described in the george indictment, as a criminal enterprise. donald trump's last white house chief of staff, mark meadows, does not appear in jack smith indictment. mark meadows is the fourth listed defendant and the george indictment. mark meadows is the first defended in the case to legally respond to the indictment by today filing a request in federal court to move the g

sidney powell, rudy giuliani, jenna ellis. this is them today.ugshots for three criminal defendants accused of scheming to overturn the 2020 election results in that state. perhaps those jarring to see is giuliani, the former top prosecutor himself, new york mayor, 9/11 hero, and at the time. 2008 primary, a gop frontrunner for president. despite reaching a $150,000 bond agreement adding to his existing financial woes and a sobering trip to a second chance bail bond in atlanta, giuliani appeared defiant. >> regret attaching your name to the former president snrns i am very, very honored to be involved in this case because this case is a fight for our way of life. this indictment is a travesty. if this could happen to me, who is probably the most prolific prosecutor maybe in american history, and the most effective mayor for sure, it can happen to you. >> how does it feel to be on the other side of the justice system? >> sorry. don't interrupt me. i made a state. if if they can do this to me, they can do it to you. >> joining me is brian tevis, ru

weave seen mug shots of many co-defendants so far including rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, who was smilingn her mug shot. how public would you assess the fulton county team has made it? are they respecting the process or trying to make it public? >> you'll see the secret service coming into the facility with the president. they want to make this -- keep the public, press and protectee all celebrated. bring the protectee in, privately, do the business in front, processing and get out. the wild card here is what we have seen in the past. which is upon departure going back to the airport, are we going to do an off the record movement where the president takes and seizes this moment to capitalize on a pr moment. i've been arrested the fourth time we know the narrative that he could represent. that's the challenge. not just for the secret service but the atlanta pd, local law enforcement, again because could someone with nefarious intent capitalize on that moment to cause harm. >> it may be a challenge for donald trump's lawyers as well, the wild card moment you were talking about. because as p

just ask rudy giuliani or jenna ellis how it's going paying for their mounting legal bills. there is no one that understands that better than former chief of staff mark meadows. a key witness to trump's alleged criminal conduct and someone who has kept a very low profile the last couple months. meadows was not listed as a co conspirator in the special counsel's election interference case and was blare mentioned at all in the indictment, but he's found himself front and center as one of the 19 co-defendants in the georgia case alongside his former boss. today, meadows asked a federal judge to immediately grant him request to either move his case to federal court or sign an order preventing fulton county district attorney fani willis from arresting him for not surrendering by friday's deadline. meadows' team said they asked willis for a short extension as meadows as a case removal hearing set for monday. her response was short and to the point. quote, i am not granting any extensions. i gave two weeks for people to surrender themselves to the court. your client is no different

there attorneys for jenna ellis have just arrived at d.a. fani willis's offices. ers where trump allies pushed baseless fraud claims. we are following the latest on negotiations at that courthouse and see what comes out of that meeting potentially. brianna? >> we'll be watching that. so happening right now the south texas coast is gearing up for heavy rain, powerful winds and even potentially dangerous flooding and storm surge from tropical storm harold. the storm made landfall earlier today. we have cnn meteorologist jennifer gray in the weather center tracking this storm. this is the first u.s. landfall of a named storm during this year's atlantic hurricane season. what are you looking at here? >> right. it's still a tropical storm. it did make landfall south padre island around 10:00 central time, 11:00 eastern time. it's got winds of 45 miles per hour, so still some very gusty winds with gusts of 65 miles per hour. moving to the west-northwest at 21. so this is a fast-moving storm. so the rain do s. going to get in and it's going to get out. this is beneficial

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today, former trump attorney and current trump codefendant, jenna ellis, turned to a christian crowdfunding website to raise cash for her legal defense. you can send jenna elllis money or you can send digital prayers to help her defend herself in this case in georgia. and there are a lot of potential tea leaves we can read there. doesn't mean trump is not footing jenna ellis's legal bills? what does that mean for the rest of the defendants in this case? the moment where trump needs to be doing everything that he can to keep all of his codefendants an alleged coconspirators on his side as these numerous and considerable legal troubles cloud his foreseeable future, how long can trump afford to pay other peoples lawyers, and for that matter, his own? joining me now are mary mccord, former activist and assistant attorney general for national security at the department of justice, and andrew weissmann, former fbi general counsel and member of special counsel robert mueller investigation. mary and andrew are the co-hosts of the msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump where i get all of my good ide

jenna ellis is one of the figures here who's indicted. she's a former trump attorney. she has been complaining that they are not paying her legal fees, and she agreed to a $100,000 bond today. i just want to remind people of who this person is. she was one of the biggest pusher of trump's election lies. this is, for example, things she was saying around the election. >> this is an elite strike force team that is working on behalf of the president and the campaign to make sure that our constitution is protected. we are a nation of rules, not a nation of rulers. there is not someone that just gets to pick who the next president is outside the will of the american people. >> the elite strike force is rudy giuliani, indicted, and sidney powell, the people who are standing around her. is that someone we could see turn on trump theoretically in a case like this? >> i don't see any reason why not. this is how these big cases often go. everyone starts out strong, determined that they're going to stand strong. and as time goes on, as costs go on, as they feel the pressure and t

. >> i was told in my ear that jenna ellis just surrendered. troubles -- she's the one complain abouting probably the most about it. and she was the most prolific pushers of lies about the 2020 election. she's the one who called sidney powell and rudy giuliani this elite strike force. she is someone who's out there. and now she is complaining that maga inc., you know, this entire movement, is not covering her legal bills. it's a real issue. i think she'd only raised a few thousand dollars the last time i check for her legal bills. for people like that it raises a question of what the future olds. also these are the allegations about their own actions that they chose to take. >> right. we've heard from a number of our legal analysts, yes, there can be concerns. but the reality is if you make certain choices in life, there are likely going to be consequences. sometimes they come with criminal charges. appreciate it. >>> the charges against giuliani are just part, of course, of his problems. just ahead, as we were touching on, he is struggling to

doesn't mean trump is not footing jenna ellis's legal bills? what does that mean for the rest of the defendants in this case? the moment where trump needs to be doing everything that he can to keep all of his codefendants an alleged coconspirators on his side as these numerous and considerable legal troubles plowed his future, how long can trump afford to pay other peoples lawyers, and for that matter, his own? joining me now are mary mccord, former activist and assistant attorney general for national security at the department of justice, and former fbi general counsel and member of special counsel robert mueller investigation. mary and andrew are the co-host of the msnbc podcast prosecuting donald trump where i get all of my good ideas for things to talk about on television. andrew, the burn rate in terms of trump's packs spending money on these legal problems is staggering. that was all the data we had from before these latest indictments landed. does this seem problematic to you as it does to me, a person on the outside? >> i had a couple o

the latest includes former trump lawyer jenna ellis, sydney powell and rudy giuliani speaking to reporters after his release, giuliani maintained his innocence, saying these charges had be proven to be a hoax meanwhile, trump is expected to head to fulton county jail for processing at 5:00 p.m. today. earlier this week his bond was set at $200,000 and included limitations on what he can post on social media about this case. now a protest by former president trump's supporters is also expected to take place later on today outside of the fulton county courthouse and trump has promoted that on his truth social social media platform >> we will all be watching as history had be made right behind you, brie. >>> over on the democrat side, in the race for the white house, president biden is touting his economic plan, although most recent polling shows that most americans believe the economy is only getting worse peter alexander spoke with voters in reno, nevada >> reporter: it's midday at reno's need to speed among those taken to the track, retiree and registered inch pent, bob force. you were fas

the latest includes former trump lawyers jenna ellis, sydney powell and rudy giuliani speaking to reporters after his release, giuliani maintained his innocence, saying these charges will be proven to be a hoax. the remaining defendants have until friday at noon to surrender to authorities >> yevgeny prigozhin, the russian leader who staged a mutiny two months ago has likely been killed in a plane crash he was listed as one of the passengers on board a small jet that went down outside moscow wednesday. >> reporter: it seems russian president putin may have gotten his revenge. this video posted online showing a corporate jet plummeting from the sky and slamming into a field outside moscow the plane's registration number matches a hircraft linked to yevgeny prigozhin, and prigozhin was listed as a passenger on the aircraft which disappeared from flight radar president biden saying he was not surprised but cannot confirm prigozhin's death. >> i don't know enough to know the answer >> reporter: the crash is highly suspicious the aircraft suddenly dropped like a stone, a possible indication it w

indictment names 18 others, including former trump attorneys rudy giuliani, sidney powell, and jenna ellis, seeing all three here during a november 2020 press conference. all of them face racketeering charges under georgia's rico laws. rico, racketeering, influence, corrupt organization laws, allow a prosecutor to use little details to paint a broad picture of a bigger crime that a group of people conspired to do something wrong and all the things they did to get to that goal were part of the conspiracy. ironically, rudy giuliani, a former federal prosecutor, used rico quite a bit against organized crime when he was a prosecutor. president biden has consistently stayed out of this, which is proper. keep in mind, in this case, the white house has absolutely no power over anything in this case. this is president biden off to wisconsin on the campaign trail. the indictment of course comes from fulton county in atlanta, georgia. those are charging crimes under georgia state law, and the feds have absolutely no power over that. >> right. so you mentioned howry coe charges can contain small litt

donald trump, rudy giuliani, don charles eastman, mark randall meadows, john, jeffrey clark, jenna lynn ellis, ray spalding smith the third, robert david, michael grauman, david james schaefer, shawn steel, stephen clifford lee, harrison william prescott boyd, sidney catherine powell, kathleen austin latham, scott graham hall, and misty hansen also known as emily misty hayes. every individual charged in the indictment is charged with one count of violating georgia racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act through participation in a criminal enterprise in fulton county, georgia, and elsewhere, to accomplish the illegal goal of allowing donald j trump to seize the presidential term of office beginning on january 20, 2021. specifically the participants in association took various actions in georgia and elsewhere to block the counting of the vote of the presidential electors who were certified as the winners of georgia's 2020 general elections treated as you examine the indictment you will see acts that are identified as overt acts and those identified as predicate acts, sometimes called

donald trump, rudy giuliani, don charles eastman, mark randall meadows, john, jeffrey clark, jenna lynn ellis, ray spalding smith the third, robert david, michael grauman, david james schaefer, shawn steel, stephen clifford lee, harrison william prescott boyd, sidney catherine powell, kathleen austin latham, scott graham hall, and misty hansen also known as emily misty hayes. every individual charged in the indictment is charged with one count of violating georgia racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act through participation in a criminal enterprise in fulton county, georgia, and elsewhere, to accomplish the illegal goal of allowing donald j trump to seize the presidential term of office beginning on january 20, 2021. specifically the participants in association took various actions in georgia and elsewhere to block the counting of the vote of the presidential electors who were certified as the winners of georgia's 2020 general elections treated as you examine the indictment you will see acts that are identified as overt acts and those identified as predicate acts, sometimes called

donald trump, rudy giuliani, don charles eastman, mark randall meadows, john, jeffrey clark, jenna lynn ellis, ray spalding smith the third, robert david, michael grauman, david james schaefer, shawn steel, stephen clifford lee, harrison william prescott boyd, sidney catherine powell, kathleen austin latham, scott graham hall, and misty hansen also known as emily misty hayes. every individual charged in the indictment is charged with one count of violating georgia racketeer influenced and corrupt organizations act through participation in a criminal enterprise in fulton county, georgia, and elsewhere, to accomplish the illegal goal of allowing donald j trump to seize the presidential term of office beginning on january 20, 2021. specifically the participants in association took various actions in georgia and elsewhere to block the counting of the vote of the presidential electors who were certified as the winners of georgia's 2020 general elections treated as you examine the indictment you will see acts that are identified as overt acts and those identified as predicate acts, sometimes called

rudy giuliani, sydney powell, jenna ellis, just to name a few. and there has been the perception, and there has been the thought that donald trump's legal counsel in the previous case, i believe mr. lauro talking about the advice of counsel. obviously an umbrella term to suggest that he was just following the advice of counsel here and that cannot be wrong, it can't be all that bad. do you have some concerns? you've been his counsel to some degree on this notion. do you have concerns about what that is like when you are the defendant and you are either the council, obviously the attorneys, or you are donald trump or anyone else? there is going to be attention there because you are going to have to, on the one hand, decide if the attorney client privilege is going to stand. two, whether you are going to jump the ship so to speak and say i didn't tell you that. or, yes i did, and have that be perhaps an escape hatch for your co defendant in these matters. what do you make of the advice of counsel defense? especially in this case? >> again, as usual

jenna ellis isn't. why do you think that is? >> i'm not going to speak to co-conspirators or anybody else. >> there's a -- there's testimony from a number of aides that have said the president was made aware he lost the election and continued to argue that it was stolen from him. how do you reconcile those two things? >> everybody was made aware that he lost the election. that doesn't mean that was the only answer he was given. if anybody understands what happens in the oval office, there's a lot of politicians and lawyers giving you advice, telling you what they believe is try. he may not agree with mike pence or his lawyers. that doesn't mean there were other people advising him the opposite. the president has a right as every one of us do to listen to several opinions and make their decision. >> i remember hairing hillary clinton and stacey abrams argue their elections were not right. >> absolutely. >> the weaponization of the doj didn't happen then. >> no, of course not. if your last name is trump, it's very different. hilla

mark meadows and several lawyers who worked to overturn the election, john eastman, sydney powell, jenna ellisni, who himself made prosecuting rico cases popular. >> i am very, very honored to be involved in this case because this case is a fight for a way of life. this indictment is a travesty. >> they've all been booked and are out on bond. >> most of the defendants who have been charged along with former president trump have turned themselves in here at the fulton county jail, all of them finger printed and photographed, and all, but one, released on bond. >> nicknamed rice street after its address is known for its noxious reputation. >> the fulton county jail is notorious for its deplorable conditions. ever since it was opened, there's everything wrong with the jail from the sewage backing up in the toilets in the cells, people sleeping on the floor because it's overcrowded, crumbling concrete, locks on the cells that don't work which creates a huge security concern. >> bob rubin is a defense attorney in georgia over his multi-decade career he's had thousands of clients pass through the fu

and you're also dealing with the likes of jenna ellis, the right and to rudy giuliani and she is veryt in donald trump's 2024 camp here at this point. maga world has sort of ostracized her as she has spoken out against donald trump and suggested he shouldn't be the future of this party. jeffrey clark has already impugned jenna ellis and doesn't know what happened to her and why she took such a 180 turn. there are questions about the legal bills of jenna ellis, are they going to be covered by donald trump's camp, if there's money available. there's a lot of questions. all we know is this is not some rosie school bus headed in to this trial. you have a very fragmented group here. donald trump is at the forefront of the bus but it a very fragmented bus. all of them will have to show up here over the course of the next nine days. >> i will confess when you talk about a shaky bus and these now charged defendants, i was thinking of the bus on "the fugitive," some of them get away, some of them don't. vaughn hillyard, thank you for still being there. we're grateful. >> up next for us, how pa