jenne came up with this crazy idea that they should dig trenches and come up and send boats and take vicksburg from the other side to shock vicksburg when all of a sudden the union troops came in from the side that they didn't expect it. the plan didn't work, but they met during the civil war, they became friends, jenne later was a brilliant engineer, and in that area, you know, you could turn that into something very different. he ultimately became one of the early people to build skyscrapers in chicago. and olmsted went to chicago and came up with a crazy lagoon system. hadn't thought of it, but it's very possible that olmsted inspired by jenne's failed plan to take vicksburg from the other side went to chicago and came up with the lagoon system. works for me. [laughter] so -- >> great talk, really enjoying it. you mentioned the hudson river school several times, and as a painter i'm curious were the specific locations in the park in prospect or in central park that were direct quotations from paintings that are known or a general sense of space and foreground medium and background

of the people are very helpful, extremely knowledgeable, and particularly mike and jenn y up there areat to deal with. guest: i echo your views about the postal service personnel. it is interesting that you mentioned ebay. delivery services and packaged products are one of the few bright spots in terms of the postal service. so it is not the package services that her causing problems in terms of revenue shortfall. it is more of the general declined due to the electronic diversions. also, the national economy is not good which means mail volumes have declined. ebay is a great interactive use of the postal service. host: how much competition is being presented by folks like fedex and ups? what kind of effect does that have on the decision that the commission makes on recommendations? guest: it has a true effect because basically the postal service is separated into its monopoly products and competitive products. they are not allowed to subsidize. having said that, the postal service is very competitive with the private sector providers primarily in terms of price. we are the only one of

of the people are very helpful, extremely knowledgeable, and particularly mike and jenn y up there are great to deal with. guest: i echo your views about the postal service personnel. it is interesting that you mentioned ebay. delivery services and packaged products are one of the few bright spots in terms of the postal service. so it is not the package services that her causing problems in terms of revenue shortfall. it is more of the general declined due to the electronic diversions. also, the national economy is not good which means mail volumes have declined. ebay is a great interactive use of the postal service. host: how much competition is being presented by folks like fedex and ups? what kind of effect does that have on the decision that the commission makes on recommendations? guest: it has a true effect because basically the postal service is separated into its monopoly products and competitive products. they are not allowed to subsidize. having said that, the postal service is very competitive with the private sector providers primarily in terms of price. we are the only one