we're joined now by david axelrod, josh barrow and jennifer granholm. david, you worked in this administration. what was the policy of your administration involving e-mail like this? >> well there was a rigorous policy about using e-mail. people have private e-mail but government business was to be conducted on government e-mails. so i don't know what the policy was at the state department at the time. >> do you have any reason to think the policy at the state department was different from what you were told in the white house? >> i honestly don't know lawrence. i'm not trying to be coy about that. every agency is different. but let me just make a political point, if i can. i think the real issue here however this turns out, this problem is being exacerbated by the lack of answers from the clinton campaign. it would be good to get out there and answer these questions, why did she use a separate e-mail how did she secure that e-mail was there another e-mail for which she communicated with people. by not answering these questions, they're allowing the sto

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bill kristol fa reed jennifer granholm, and math withdrew dowd. fareed, let me begin with you.re fighting on the same side as iran against we're trying to get nuclear restrictions with them in switzerland. >> in some places, you have a greater enemy like isis, should not be surprising. the entire middle east has become fragile and unstable. every regime has cracked. beneath the regime there was nothing. there was no country. that people have withdrawn to their oldest identities. nobody is fighting and dig for iraq, syria, libya. they're fighting and dying because they're shia kurds. >> this deal with iran could be a game-changer. could transform the middle east. do you buy that? >> i think it certainly would help. what is the alternative? the alternative to the deal is either a major escalation militarily. it would not be like the iraq strike. it would take weeks and weeks of bombing. the iranians would respond in all the countries they're active. or you have a situation, no deal, have sanctions. but the iranians went from 150 centrifuges to 20,000 under sanctions. >> you disaa

jennifer granholm is the co-chair of hillary clinton's plan for action, and also worked for al gore.litical player, but i thought the ezra piece was persuasive. i'm of the opinion the more the merrier in a democratic prime minister mare. -- primary. >> first of all i'm a total al gore fan, and i did work for him, but it ain't gonna happen. his standard response to this question, and as you can imagine he gets asked it a lot -- i am not running, i am a recovering politician. i'm in the ninth stage of recovery, and the longer i'm in recovery he says the less likelihood of a relapse. it isn't going to happen. you point about the primary. i know a lot of politicians and particularly republicans, and a lot of media would like to see a primary. however, he is not going to be in that primary. by the way, i think hillary clinton would welcome a robust primary. it's just i think democrats see her as the best chance, and people are happy with that particular choice, assuming she raises her hand. >> the polling, you're right about this the polling on this issue is pretty clear. there is a lot o