with more perspective on the debate and the primary battle we have former michigan governor jennifer granholm. let's talk about donald trump, governor he was the el haven't in the room who wasn't actually there at this forum. it's fascinating, some people may not recall -- i know you sure do -- that you were the stand in for sarah palin during vice president joe biden's 2008 debate prep. what advice would you give to these other candidates in how to deal with someone like donald trump who certainly has some appeal but maybe he doesn't have certain areas of accomplishment that they don't and also he's such a big personality. >> first of all, every candidate has one minute to answer any question and then 30 seconds in rebuttal. so whatever you say you better be practicing your language so it's crisp and clear. you answer the question. you site something you've done to validate yourself and then you fifth and create a memorable moment, whether it's a zinger or some kind of attack on somebody else. now if you're donald trump, you are -- everybody expects you to come in with bombast. what if he su

keep an eye on the former governor of michigan, jennifer granholm, somebody who could be involved in this year or next year if hillary clinton becomes the nominee. >> i think a bit of an embarrassment is you're being a diplomatic understatement right there. >> this is the summer of trump and the one person i'm really curious about his perspective is mitt romney. on late saturday i checked with people close to romney. i say what is he really thinking about his race? here's what i found from several people who had conversations with him, who are close to him. one he thinks the race hasn't started yet. he's watching it very closely. he's very surprised that jeb bush hasn't got a lot of traction. he thought jeb would be better at this point. he also thinks the race doesn't really start until january and february. in terms of ruling out a run, he's not running. but he thinks the race begins in january and february, and he's watching it very closely, and people just kept telling me the same thing, he's keeping an eye on it. he's surprised how the race is unfolding. and its in flux and romn

. >> former erer michigan governor jennifer granholm and republican strategist kristen anderson joining me to talk about this. governor that was one of his stronger moments. i think people thought jeb bush had weaker moments as well. but it was tough for him going into this night with trump leading the polls. how do you think he did? >> this is how i think he did. meh. he did not do well. he didn't bring his a game if he has one. all i can say is it's a good thing that he raised that money before this debate. because after this debate i think it will be harder for him to convince the republican players he is going to take it all the way. he was like oatmeal. i think it was not a good fight for him. >> thin gruel, that is not a good review. kristen, what did you think? >> i thought he did perfectly fine. i don't think anybody broke out of the debate last night. >> fine like okay? >> i think he's shaking the rust off. this is his first time being on the national stage but his answers on immigration and common core were great. he has to walk a fine line where he stands and i think he handl

responsibility for her use of personal e-mail at the state department, even former michigan governor jennifer granholme pivot that she needed to make. how does that change the game? >> well, it will be a long time to see the impact of that, but i think that it's a necessary thing for her to do. with any sort of a political scandal or political problem like this, the first thing you have to do is take ownership of the issue and then start to control the message that comes out about that issue, and she has not been doing that to date. it may be a little bit late for her to be able to take that control back because we're seeing this issue now in the hands of the justice department, the fbi, and certainly congressional committees which will continue to push this for the next several months. so it's not going to go away that quickly. >> and we do point out one of the things that stood out a lot in the quinnipiac poll that came out this week is hillary clinton's sort of slumping numbers, right, but at the same time to be fair here, she is still leading by a pretty big margin in, you know, within the candida