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here it is, jennifer granholm. the shutdown politics. worth it to democrats to vote to shut down the government by ignoring the continuing resolution to hold out for daca reform? >> yes. and let me tell you quickly why. there were two polls out within the past four days, both of them said, number one, overwhelmingly independents by 77 to 80% support making the a daca fix as part of this. overwhelmingly, democrats -- >> nobody said as part of this. they said they want it. >> only republicans -- >> they said they want it. they didn't say shut down the government for it. >> no, they did. well, here's the other poll that came out today, chris. said that by 11 points, people will blame republicans if there is a shutdown, because they see this as doable. i don't think this is over yet. i think that a crisis will exist up until the last minute. but for republicans' sake, as well as democratic sake, but really for the sake of those 800,000 people, this should be done this week. >> rick? >> well, it shouldn't be done this week. they should pass a

evan mcmillen is here, jennifer granholm, rob astorino. we're talking about the undermining of institutions that you brought up and the fbi. with all of these conspiracy theorists, and a number of the people who are bringing up these theories used to be outliers. used to be on the fringe. >> yes. >> now they're the new normal, like devin nunes. >> in their home party and even conservative media. it used to be breitbart was the fringe. they were the crazy people. you would have stories come up from them and people would roll their eyes. policymakers on capitol hill would not take them seriously. now you look at the content that is on fox news, which is as you call it, basically trump tv. >> i call it trump tv. but it is state-run television. >> and they might as well be running headlines straight from breitbart. that's become the new normal in the republican party. >> the crazy thing is that all day yesterday, fox news was all over this secret society thing. and other than one anchor today they didn't say one word. >> shepard smith. >> exac

cnn senior political analyst jennifer granholm, democratic former governor of michigan, thank you for joining us as well. jennifer, governor granholm, just a week ago, the president seemed eager to get a deal, even to compromise on immigration. watch this and then we'll discuss. >> if we do the right bill here, we are not very far away. we've done most of it. you want to know the truth, if we do this properly, daca, on urnot so far away from comprehensive immigration reform. and if you want to take it that further step, i'll take the heat, i don't care. >> then this afternoon the prospect of compromise seems to have dimmed with the president saying, senator dickey durbin totally misrepresented what was said at the daca meeting, deals can't get made when there's no trust, durbin blew daca and is hurting our military. who do you see as responsible for blowing the deal and why governor? >> well, if the deal is blown, and i think it's not a done deal yet, if the deal is blown in some way, it will mean that there is a government shutdown, potentially. unless paul ryan, unless they can get

let's talk about this with evan mcmullen, senior commentator jennifer granholm and curt bardella andno, we should also say you worked at breitbart, in communication snz. >> i was their media consultant spokes person. >> did you see anthony scaramucci says this has steve bannon's hands written all over it. >> it was very clear he has scores to settle and never misses an opportunity to go after steve bannon no matter the issue. he's made himself a convenient target. could bannon be one of the four people that perhaps talked to maggie? very much so, sure. >> does that really matter? >> no, of course it doesn't matter. it's true. >> i think it may matter in one respect. i look at don mcgahn and wonder, the story puts him in a very positive light. why now is the story coming out. we learned recently this week that jeff sessions was interviewed by the special counsel's office. other intelligence leaders have recent -- it's been reported recently that they too have been interviewed. there are other reports that show this obstruction of justice element of the investigation has moved forward