jennifer granholm, value added as always. i've got one thing to show you.taphor i was taught about how you need to fight in a primary as a democrat. when somebody attacks you, you go like this. hey, take it easy. i don't want any trouble. you look defensive, right? but look how close your hand has gotten to your opponent, and then you hit back. that's what you'll have to see in this debate. not ugliness. disagreement with decency but somebody that can put their hands up when being attacked and knows how to smack back at an opponent. it's a metaphor that worked for me. i was like 12 when somebody taught it to me. in terms of the substance of it, the biggest issue that came oufts this mueller probe yesterday should be obvious. about what it should mean in the election. election protection. but it's still not happening. republicans are stopping it. why? the president isn't demanding it. why? we're going to talk to one of the heads of his re-election campaign. what is the way forward? next. what's going on? it's the 3pm slump. should have had a p3. oh yeah. sho

jennifer granholm always a plus.or i was taught about how you need to fight in a primary as a democrat, okay? when somebody attacks you, you go like this. take it easy, i don't won't any trouble. you look defensive, right? but look how close your hand has gotten to your opponent and then you hit back. that's what you have to see in this debate. not ugliness, but someone who can put their hands up when they're being attacked and know how to smam back their opponent. it's a metaphor that worked for me when i was like 12 and someone taught it to me. so in terms of the substance of it, the biggest issue that came out of this mueller probe yesterday should be obvious to you. election protection, but it's still not happening. republicans are stopping it. why? the president isn't demanding it. why? we're going to talk to one of the heads of his re-election campaign. what is the way forward? next. adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting. so, can it help us fall asleep faster? yes, by gently warming your feet. but

joining us now is jennifer granholm, and karen finney.april, i want to start with you because this morning i think it is worthy of -- i'm not going to read the tweet, but the president is tweeting more about elijah cummings. he is leaning into this despite the criticism we just heard from baltimore and despite the controversy we heard over the weekend. this is a choice he's making this weekend, why? >> because he wants to get a certain part of america to vote for him. he wants to show a certain part of america that he's with them. you know, he says he's not a racist, but the racists believe she's a racist. and for someone like me, proud baltimorean born in baltimore, still call that area home. it hurts. it hurts because that's a city, an area that has so many dimpbt ty -- different types of people. it's an area of surviving and overcoming. it's a community that's been hurt over and over again but still we rise like maya angelou says. for this president to demean, to diminish, to discredit a community predominantly black to say that -- act

national news now at an event in detroit last night former michigan governor jennifer granholm questioned whether the current state of the democratic presidential hopefuls. we're really connecting with voters in her state michigan is a crucial swing state that went to president trump in 2016 jeff celanese spoke with state democrats. >>to get their feel for the party's chances in 2020. >>the great state of michigan. >>there's a reason president trump speaks so fondly of michigan he's the first republican presidential candidate to carry the state since 1988 and he's gunning for a repeat. we have very tough to take out. as democratic hopefuls gather in detroit for their second debate this week. there's little appetite 3 litigating hillary clinton's loss in 2016. but the laps of the blue wall michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania is a driving undercurrent of the 2020 race here in michigan one number still seared into the minds of many democrats is 10,704. that's how many votes, trump defeated clinton by we were all. >>and of in disbelief and as we first through life. the numbers were was very

me here in detroit ahead of the presidential debates, trump campaign adviser david urban and jennifer granholmia love and special adviser to president obama and our own cnn host, van jones. congresswoman, let me start with you. do you agree with senator warren's assessment that the president is trying to divide the country with racism and other forms of hate? >> look, the blame game has been going on for years but in the recent tweets and the things that i have seen, enough is enough. it really is disheartening. the greatest threat that we face is the division of america and i don't believe that any president should be playing a part in dividing america. i am so -- i actually say this not just as a former representative, i'm saying this as a republican and a mother. i think this is exactly what the russians want. i think it is exactly what our enemies want. to see americans tear each other up and the president has gone way too far. anything less than an apology is unacceptable to me. >> can i just say thank you. thank you for being a republican who has stood up. we need more people like you sa

former governors jennifer granholm of michigan and virginia. a lot to talk about.s the most important. the generational fight in the democratic party is alive and well is feisty. it was not settled. >> it continues. >> it's going to continue i think deep into the primary season. the big challenge tonight is the big question after tonight and tomorrow night, who gets to continue the fight. and so warren and sanders stood their ground tonight. they were in the middle. challenged repeatedly. can you sell big ideas can the country afford this. will you hand trump reelection. they stood and fought back. warren from the very beginning saying don't have small ideas and don't be spineless. a direct challenge to those challenging her and senator sanders. they didn't go at each other. they will have to some day. they hold too much space. that was delayed as they held their ground against the moderates. the big question is which of the moderates survive. that's not up to us. that's up to donors and voters who send money or raise them in the poll. because this in some ways --