jennifer granholm backing the policies. she pushed back when i asked her directly has the united states just left the room when it comes to climate policy now trump is coming back to the white house? she urged trump not to pull out of the paris climate agreement again. listen to this. >> it will be political malpractice to undo those opportunities when people are just now getting hired. 400,000 people have been hired just because of these two bills. today is the third anniversary of the bipartisan infrastructure law. it has created enormous difference across the country. >> reporter: president-elect trump has put fossil fuels at the front of the agenda. he wants to releash american oil and gas duction and scale back the biden act by cutting in renewable energy and ing electric vehicles. exactly what the administration does there remains to be seen. the man tasked in the fossil fuel space is chris wright. he is the pick for energy secretary who is not just an oil and gas executive, but a friend of the industry and vocal skep

bad for the united states and workers across the country. >> jennifer granholm there.dent-elect trump has put fossil fuels at the top of his agenda and wants to pull out of the paris climate agreement again and scale back the inflation reduction act which had significant financial implications for the climate agenda. of course, the man being tasked with executing that is the liberty energy founder and ceo chris wright. he is trump's pick for energy secretary. not just a friend of the oil and gas industry, but an oil and gas executive and a vocal skeptic of climate change. what is interesting is the u.s. is managing 13 million barrels a day of oil production. we saw production high under president biden. that is not likely to slow down under incoming president-elect trump. granholm says the clean energy transition is happening regardless of who is sitting in the white house. silvia. >> i guess also the speed of that transition would matter. thank you for bringing us that exclusive conversation, dan. >>> meanwhile, president biden and xi jinping have held their final mee

it's approximately $4000 billion in loan and -- 400 billion in loan and loan guarantees, and jennifer granholmoor as fast as possible. now, the issue here is what kind of companies are getting this money. well, ford has actually been a large recipient, but a lot of them have been start-ups, hydrogen, carbon capture, and they haven't been very well vetted. and so these companies do not make good on their contractual promises, yes, they can -- the money can actually be crawed back. and -- clawed back. and you actually saw that happen during the obama administration when they tried to claw back some loans. paul: that's really interesting. anything else you'd point to here, briefly? >> i think i'd also point out that the reason why oil production right now is at an all time high, by the way, is because the leases and permits that were issued under trump. now, we need to expedite and retart that permitting and leasing -- restart, otherwise you're going to see oil production fall off a really fast. and i think chris wright at energy and doug burgum at interior understand that. paul: all right. when

stuart: energy secretary jennifer granholm, she says trump would be committing, her words, political reversing biden's green energy projects. to do you see it that a way? >> well, i think the american people just said it might be mall plaques to -- malpractice to use $27 billion of their money to spend on what are, in fact, somewhat dubious environmental groups. that's the real malpractice here, stuart, is the disportion of -- distortion of the marketplace that's occurred in the last four years. i think what we'll see is the american people imposing their will on congress, and you'll start to see congress take a hard look at some of the bills and some of the spending that's been approved over the last call it three years. stuart: you remember the green energy investor, he's a billionaire, tom steyer? he's not worried about trump's win. he says trump will not hold back the green energy transition. dan, it seems to me like this transition's falling to pieces. what say you? [laughter] >> well, the real transition here, stuart, is from low energy to high energy, and that's what we should

>> what did jennifer granholm know about energy before they took the jobs? >> i mean, i do think that there are, you know, there are cabinet positions on there cabinet positions. okay. there are some that are just more important than others. and attorney general is a huge one, a huge one. >> it's a huge one. defense secretary is a huge one of the most lethal machine in the history of the world. ones. >> well, one of the things it's not us saying it, it's karl rove saying it. it's the new york post saying it. like karl rove's piece in the wall street journal was this called it a clown show so he says it's a half clown show and a half competent show. okay, good choices. and so you can say, i almost feel like pam bondi is like somewhere in between. >> i mean, in between. she's not grossly unqualified but not, you know, clerking you know, she's not arguing before the supreme court. i mean, there's a range here of attorney general candidates and she's somewhere in between. >> and i think that shows you just how much trump himself because of who he is and what he