immediately tried figuring out what that was all about and through that process i came across jennifer jenkins bishop in illinois, mage in california, and we got together as a support group and as we realized this was more of a national movement and just not in our states we decided to form novjl -- >> and jody, one of the pictures was the face of your brother's murderer, he was stabbed 25 times. >> he was stabbed 26 times and with a six inch 95 and his neck was -- he was nearly decapitated. a plop by a juvenile and her then 19-year-old boyfriend to steal a car. she wanted, i circulate say it was her plan she wanted a car to see her father in new mexico. and ultimately came up with a plan, a plan they executed and planned out. my brother had been the victim. >> our community is responding lisa and as you can imagine a lot of emotional heated divides here. saga, double starts, not old enough to vote smoke or drink. angel said if my view, if the kid can commit the crime they can do the crime. dara says make them face the victims of their crime. many are in deep denial of what they had done. vide