. >>> let's talk about this with jennifer mccoy. er, a professor of political science at georgia state university. joining us far from atlanta, georgia, in budapest. >> thank you. >> juan guaido, set to meet with mike pence in colombia. this is on the heels of welcoming dozens of military defectors from his native venezuela. how strong is guaido's hand right now, compared to nicholol madu madu maduro? >> maduro controls the security forces and the government institutions. but guaido has strong international backing. and the population is med up and frustrated. i think he will continue to receive their support for some time, until they -- if nothing happens, they may give up. maduro, i think, showed weakness over this weekend because he seemed to have to rely on the gangs, as well as reports that he may be preparing prisoners to help turn back protesters. so, that shows a weakness if he does not have faith in his national guard and in his military, or if the deflections continue to grow. >> that would be significant, turning to prison