so jennifer mentioned jonathan shay, and his books have been very important for me in helping to contextualize war trauma. he wrote achilles in vietnam and to disus -- to disyous in america, exploring through the lens of american soldiers experiences in vietnam and is with homecoming and similarly exploring the iliad showing very clearly that what we now call ptsd existed back then. right. i've seen the persians put on, and you see very clearly that the trauma of war is something that we have always experienced, but we didn't label it for a long time. that's been important for me partly because i have herald from some people, like, what's wrong with your generation? all these guys came back from world war ii, they were just fine. and i'm like, they were not fine. it was like don't bother dad while he's sitting in his chair with his whiskey. they weren't fine, we just didn't talk about it. and vietnam vets had to fight so hard to get it recognized and put in the dsm even though, yeah, after the civil war soldier's heart, and george carlin did a great bit talking about how it was shell shock in