step forward jennifer pahlka. the former u.s.eputy chief technology officer who now runs code for america. it's a group of tech wizards helping big bureaucratic institutions benefit from the digital age. she tells our walter isaacson that it's not just about apps, it's about a complete mind shift for everyone. the pair chat about the defense innovation board they both sit on. >> jennifer, thanks for joining us. >> hi, walter. thanks for having me. >> you started in the gaming industry. what did you learn from that? >> i was in the business to business media. industry doing video game development, conferences and trade shows. and it was an amazing time. they were creating new worlds people could play in. it was the ambition of the community that got me lit up. >> and it made it into a community and leads to web 2.0, right? zblaerks. >> yeah, absolutely. >> i was doing this big show and watching an industry grow and our awareness of what you can do online and what kinds of experiences you can create and then we transitioned into we

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