. >>> speaking of perfect guest, joining me by phone, jennifer palmieri, for hillary clinton's presidential campaign. jen, let's talk about what happened when she walked off stage, because i'm told that she really was overcome a bit by that moment where he was looming over her and she said, you know, it always -- it is tough. this is really hard. that was really hard. >> it was a hard debate in general. the -- it was set up to, you know, you talked about the facebook live press conference, that trump did ahead of time. it was the whole setup with the debate was to intimidate her. and coming on the heels of the access hollywood tape, that had been released two days before, we were very concerned, we knew that trump could be unhinged, that he would try to make it very uncomfortable for her in any way he can. so, she did doubt, you know, in the moment, and then she did share with us later if that had been the right thing to do, to not call him out on it. and i think it is a -- i think of it as a riptide that she has constantly been caught in, in her adult life, where, you know, as a woman on t