be on the rise why isn't the media recognizing it to discuss this and more i'm joined now by jennifer rowland program associate for the new america foundation jennifer welcome. so right wing extremism doesn't factor appear to be on the rise why does theirs why does there seem to be this hard time acknowledging it. i think it sensually it's that for the past decade terrorism has meant something very specific in the united states it's tended to mean that something that was associated with al qaeda that was fueled by osama bin laden's ideology and it's also been seen as something very other to us. whereas right now extremism can come from someone who a lot of americans might not expect it to come from and who is harder to sort of identify and put into a country hold a certain profile. and we see terrorism again it's coming from something outside the united states and it's it's tough to think that we might have to deal with something that is inside the united states right under our noses and very hard to identify. ever i do want to read this quote from this very controversial ass report on this v