jennifer ruben joins me to talk about her perspective. old friend, good to see you. thank you for being with us. i think this becomes a really, really important discussion and president of the united states and that we need to move on with things gnnot done for the last four years. every book available some believe should be thrown at him and you're walking a line down the middle. why? >> the president elect pointed out one issue, which is that he doesn't want to be completely involved. doesn't want to keep giving donald trump options. he has a new presidency to get after and there is another compelling reason, which is as you read from my piece, we don't want to get into a pattern of the cycle of recrimination, of one incoumbent president prosecuting the next one. there is a danger there and as i said in the piece, i think it's appropriate to go back to come up with a complete record of what happened and in particular to see if other people were involved but with regard to actions during his presidency, my preference, i think, would be not to prosecute those. now i

>> well, in fact, jennifer ruben put out a tweet saying not only there should be a blacklist of everyones associated with the campaign, she also wants to blacklist of anyone who talks what about we've talked about today had is if you talk election fraud, you should be on that blacklist and she calls for anyone like that to be exiled from society and to not be given a job in academic, academia and private industry. it's i'm just wondering have they picked the location yet for detention camp or i'm going to be sent talking about this kind of thing. >> she, of course, is a columnist to my opinion for "the washington post" i'm sure she'll be forever why don't they pick sites where fdr of japs desent i suppose they could sending us there. i know they loved fdr. hans von thank you be well. >> we'll be right back. like you, my hands are everything to me. but i was diagnosed with dupuytren's contracture. and it got to the point where things i took for granted got tougher to do. thought surgery was my only option. turns out i was wrong. so when a hand specialist told me about nonsurgical treatmen