joining me now is jennifer rubin. she is a political analystanaly. also with me is the host of the dean odello show. he is a columnist for "the jennifer, i have never run of anything of importance in my life. i would not know how to conduct a pandemic. from the beginning, a general agreement among experts and scientists and epidemiologists and infectious disease experts and virologists. donald trump kept choosing instinct and pointing to his head when asked about the basis of the decisions. that has cost us lives and more infections than we should have had. >> absolutely. i think this is typical of donald trump. he has done this his entire career and presidency. the difference this time is people have died because of it. this is not a guy who understands government or understands policy or who is curious about the world and relies on experts. this is a guy who's best talent is pitching and selling and creating a magical world in which he is the ultimate spinner and salesman. that is a skill set that is inappropriate for the current condition. i think

jennifer rubin reopening would cause people to die. on governor desantis and death cult.ow many will die for the dow? you could call this reverting to hype. what is the reaction to this headline? >> president was very clear during the pandemic that the cure cannot be worse than the disease. i give credit to the governors reopening their states the way they have. we have to get normal at some point, liz. people are desperate to get back to work. have their kids go to school to get back to normal life. every parent dealing with the zoom classes online with their kids can appreciate how much we make our kids back in school some september. i give a lot of credit to ron desantis of florida. liz: but can you -- yeah, reopen schools with mitigating risk though? >> i mean i think you can. look, at some point we have to weigh the costs of keeping things closed and the reality is, i understand, i think all americans understand that we needed to shut down for a certain period of time but if you stay shut down forever, it doesn't work. businesses all across this country will close fo

he has blood on his hands but washington jennifer rubin calling him reckless and morally indefensiblese the beaches. >> that is the real danger texas, georgia, florida, their actions which it is a gamble. that is the problem. it is a big gamble. >> but with no surgeon covid-19 cases, he calls the coverage on fair. >> you've got a lot of people in your profession who poetically for weeks and weeks they laughed like it would be like new york. wait two weeks, florida will be next. just like italy, we are eight weeks away from that and that hasn't happened. >> brian kemp was skewered by the media. >> georgia does not meet the criteria for reopening right now. how dangerous is this decision? >> i mean i am very concerned about this. >> in atlanta, if someone wants to get their nails done or hair done on friday or a tattoo or code to a gym, these are very close contact types of businesses. >> we took measured steps to get the shelter in place and that we are taking measured steps to come out of that. >> no major surgeon georgia either but democratic governor jared took several steps soon af