but then you have people like rick wilson and you have jennifer rubin and don lemon.nd the trump planet and they stay there. they're like the birds feeding off the rhino, just eating the bugs. you know, trump has created entirely new economies of thought. they will stay obsessed with trump. other people like mitt romney, they went off in to orbit. they're gone. we'll never seen them again. it's amazing. the people. they won't give up on trump. so yeah, it was more than a landslide. it was a total shift in the universe. >> nicole: katie, one of the reasons that donald trump won is he used the media effectively. he went on the podcasts. unfortunately for the other channels, they have continued to stick with the mainstream media talking points and they will lose viewers. >> katie: these people are unhinged. while they accuse maga of being uneducated, not knowing how to read, they're making the most shallow arguments about why donald trump is bad for the country. it shows that they're losing control. they're losing control of the narrative and people understanding when th

next year is going to be challenging. 20 me now, jennifer rubin, opinion writer for the washington post, also of the book resistance, how women saved democracy from donald trump. joining us as well, stuart stevens, senior advisor for the lincoln project, founding project of resolution square. good morning to both of you. thank you for being with us. stuart, let me talk to you first. maybe we have to make distinctions on one side and people like don bacon but steve bannon's call for not partisanship but hyper partisanship, it makes me worry about what the next two years will look like in congress. >> the lesson that we have is that it does not matter what the bacon's of the world think they're not in control at all and it is just extraordinary how the weird collection of oddballs and freaks are driving the agenda for america. steve bannon? carriage lake? these are people who will not say who won the 2020 election. the democrats should be much more out front on this. they should be saying every nominee that comes before us, we will ask two questions. do you believe that joe biden won a fr

. >> jennifer rubin wrote about democrats saying they would call for common ground with trump calling, democrats should not propound the dubious assertion that trump can operate. how can they stand up to trump while doing their duty to the country? >> look, i think, alex, the democratic opposition has to be a loyal and sober opposition. the country is really tired of outrage politics on both sides. i mean, for a couple of decades now you've had warnings about the end of the world coming if the other party wins and americans are really tired of that, so i think democrats have to be principled. they have to stand up for what they believe in. they have to try to defend the center of the country's politics and they have to not intimidate or demean people, and in the senate for republicans, there's a number of swing state republican senators and others

i thought jennifer rubin in the washington post this morning did a wonderful explanation of this issue, but it is unclear, john, whether trump will actually act on these promises of revenge. >> so is the possibility that he could reason enough for biden to issue those pardons i think that is his. >> certainly some of his aides have been much more uh, vicious. if you will, in saying they're going to attack his enemies when they get in power. uh kash patel. there's going to be a big issue if he indeed has a confirmation hearing. what does he have in mind? he's issued a list in his book of deep state people that he doesn't see with favor so, you know, i think the broad brush general kind of amnesty that has been offered in the past, we go back to george washington and the whiskey rebellion he didn't know any of the people who might use the pardon, but he issued it to give them safety. same thing happened with lincoln and andrew johnson during the civil war more recently, jimmy carter did it for draft dodgers during vietnam. so it's not an unusual situation to do this, but it provides prot

the columnist jennifer rubin stated recently america suffers an epidemic of ignorance -- from an epidemic of ignorance. america has never educated its people in economics. no one understands what causes inflation and how tariffs work. my understanding is, if you print $8 trillion extra to pay for the pandemic, you are going to have inflation. that is natural. you cannot print extra money without causing the price of goods to go down -- or go up, i'm sorry. a tariff is a tax on items we will import, which means the government will get the money from the tax but that tax will be passed on to the consumer. he is going to raise money but he's going to raise it on the backs of the people who buy everyday products. sadly, as a country, because we were never taught economics we have no idea what causes inflation. my understanding is, is the extra money that was pumped into the economy has to be drained out slowly. that is what the federal reserve was doing. that is why inflation was coming under control. host: what do you think will happen in the next administration with prices? caller: if he in

the columnist jennifer rubin stated recently america suffers an epidemic of ignorance -- from an epidemicf ignorance. america has never educated its people in economics. no one understands what causes inflation and how tariffs work. my understanding is, if you print $8 trillion extra to pay for the pandemic, you are going to have inflation. that is natural. you cannot print extra money without causing the price of goods to go down -- or go up, i'm sorry. a tariff is a tax on items we will import, which means the government will get the money from the tax but that tax will be passed on to the consumer. he is going to raise money but he's going to raise it on the backs of the people who buy everyday products. sadly, as a country, because we were never taught economics we have no idea what causes inflation. my understanding is, is the extra money that was pumped into the economy has to be drained out slowly. that is what the federal reserve was doing. that is why inflation was coming under control. host: what do you think will happen in the next administration with prices? caller: if he inst